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Wel, I just looked at Mac:Office for Belgium...and the subscription based Office 365 just blew buying a standalone copy out of the water

It's €99/year here for Office 365

The Mac:Office 2011 Home and small businesses is €269

so
A) REALITY: €269/3y = €89,67/y on 1 Mac and only read option on the iPad is not a lot of bang for my buck.
B) FICTIONAL: adding fictional prices of €20/MS Office iPad app which don't even exists...
(€269 + (€20x3)) / 3y = €109,67/y --> subscription would be cheaper
C) REALITY: I've got 1 iMac and 1 MBP --> (€269x2) / 3y = €179,34/y and only read option on the iPad --> subscription would really be cheaper

On a side note:
I just wish that Microsoft would start including MS Access in their Mac:Office AND that Apple would bring back Bento, but now as a iWork app...it probably won't happen, but I can dream :(
 
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That's what I've used though office has much more power and flexibility.

What does that even mean? In what way?

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And neither do you. And the fact is his "story" is so ludicrous that no one over the age of 15 would believe it.
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Wow, I guess the entire corporate world will quit using Excel now because Adonis, the MacRumors poster, doesn't need it... As a matter of fact, the fact that "you don't need it" tells us a little about your skill set.

Unlike most office users I'm not a glorified data entry person. I'm a software engineer. Thank you very much. Anyone who thinks working a spreadsheet is something that really takes anything more than a minimum level of brain activity needs to try building the spreadsheet software from scratch. Then talk to me about my skillset. I was building complex spreadsheets when I was barely in 3rd grade. So save that crap about my skill set. Lets talk about your skillset or lack thereof.

Office was the ticket back in 2001. It's 2014. The only people still listing office as a skill on their resume are the same people who haven't upgraded their skillset in a decade. That is what the poster was alluding to in his post which went right over your head.

The bottom line is no one cares that much about the tool you use as long as you are able to get work done with it and save them money. If that tool is office great. If it's a free option like iWork or Google docs even better.
 
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Yeah I'm not a glorified data entry person like you. I'm a software engineer. Thank you very much. Anyone who thinks working a spreadsheet is something that really takes anything more than a minimum level of brain activity needs to try building the spreadsheet software from scratch. Then talk to me about my skillset. I was building complex spreadsheets when I was barely in 3rd grade. So save that crap about my skill set. Lets talk about your skillset or lack thereof. Office was the ticket back in 2001. It's 2014. The only people listing office as a skill on their resume are the same people who haven't upgraded their skillset in a decade.

Why don't you tell us how you really feel.
 
P.S. I'd be willing to bet that 99.99% of people here (including yourself) have bought software and installed it on one more than one machine or installed it on a friend's machine, regardless of what the "license" says.

I would take that bet.
 
Why don't you tell us how you really feel.

On the flip side I can't tell you how many linkedin and monster ads list Office as a requirement for skills.

Go figure.

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For the average everyday consumer, it's a bad deal, and there should be the option of just purchasing the iPad versions of the Office apps that you want.

There is. It's $99 for the year for all of the apps. That's your option. $33 per app. Have a lovely day
 
You speak the truth man, I won't repeat myself but SaaS, whether we want it or not, is the future

Welcome to cloud, naysayers

And that stupid ISM class paid off! I know what "SaaS" is now!


Excuse this stupid post, I just hated that class and now see a benefit! :D

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can i use those if i can get office 365 for free through my university?

I believe so. My university only offers the desktop version, not the subscription.
 
Office was the ticket back in 2001. It's 2014. The only people still listing office as a skill on their resume are the same people who haven't upgraded their skillset in a decade. That is what the poster was alluding to in his post which went right over your head.

The bottom line is no one cares that much about the tool you use as long as you are able to get work done with it and save them money. If that tool is office great. If it's a free option like iWork or Google docs even better.

It's reasonably easy to learn Office in the context required for a job. If someone required it yet wasn't proficient, couldn't they learn it at that time? Regarding the other options, I don't know of any companies that give employees a choice on word processing and spreadsheet software due to the need for compatibility.
 
Life choices...

I use Word and Excel daily on my Mac as part of my consulting business. $99/year seems highly reasonable to me.
 
What kind of stupid argument is that? Google Docs or TextEdit is fine for me for everyday use. I only need Word in certain cases for school, maybe once a month. Regardless what I paid for my computer (that I use everyday), $99/year for something I use once a month is tough to justify. I use Spotify everyday, and so I pay $99/year for that.

You use it once a month. Someone else uses it daily.

And even if you use it once a month, if it does something essential that can't be done somewhere else (excel), then it is worth it.

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Many here probably spend more a day on their daily coffee :D

Blame iPhone software, low quality apps compared to desktop, buy hey they are cheap.
And if we use enough of them then we can pretty much just about get something done.

Yes! I hate this model Apple created. I am fine paying a premium for hardware and quality software. These people here saying they would only buy Word if it was like 19.99 at MOST is pathetic. We are used to paying .99 cents for an app and God forbid it is 4.99. Yet people will get angry birds for .99 and pay $1,000 in stupid bonus and super eagles. :mad:
 
I was building complex spreadsheets when I was barely in 3rd grade. So save that crap about my skill set. Lets talk about your skillset or lack thereof.

The bottom line is no one cares that much about the tool you use as long as you are able to get work done with it and save them money. If that tool is office great. If it's a free option like iWork or Google docs even better.

Hey genius--ever hear of "network effects". You probrably learned all about in second grade, but that was over 5 years ago. The value of a software is both intrinsic to its task and extrinsic to its user base. Word and Excel provide (near) universal exchange formats. No one will hire a quant just because he knows excel--but if your firm is doing work in excel, its helpful to have someone who can be productive in excel immediately.
 
Well then, based on that we can only assume that you are out of touch, ignorant of technology in general, and that your opinions are pretty much irrelevant..


Seems you didn't quite catch it was a joke. Obviously you are out of touch, ignorant to socialism and positivity in general, and that your opinions are pretty much irrelevant..

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You must have been flabbergasted when Apple survived the 80s->20s right?

No I didn't really care because I was probably in my early teens going about my life not letting negativity get in my way just as I am now.

PS. Original comment was a joke :rolleyes:
 
You use it once a month. Someone else uses it daily.

And even if you use it once a month, if it does something essential that can't be done somewhere else (excel), then it is worth it.

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Yes! I hate this model Apple created. I am fine paying a premium for hardware and quality software. These people here saying they would only buy Word if it was like 19.99 at MOST is pathetic. We are used to paying .99 cents for an app and God forbid it is 4.99. Yet people will get angry birds for .99 and pay $1,000 in stupid bonus and super eagles. :mad:

Actually since M$ does not lose money on academic or special licensing...they are worth around 20 per component. I got my mac office 2011 at the post exchange (PX) on base for about 80ish. Divide its components up and I paid $20ish per item.

If apples now broken up iworks did not seem to have so many reported issues..their 20 per item pricing would have been a clincher as all I need text and spreadsheet.
 
Many here probably spend more a day on their daily coffee :D

Blame iPhone software, low quality apps compared to desktop, buy hey they are cheap.
And if we use enough of them then we can pretty much just about get something done.

Many here probably think the daily coffe is more valuable than this. I don't think it's a stretch to say that MANY people can easily get by with free or very cheap apps to do what Office does. Low quality doesn't mean no quality.
 
On the flip side I can't tell you how many linkedin and monster ads list Office as a requirement for skills.

Go figure.

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There is. It's $99 for the year for all of the apps. That's your option. $33 per app. Have a lovely day

Having skimmed through a few of the many posts here, it's obvious that in an effort for those who live to bash anything Microsoft (i.e., anything not Apple) many are misinformed that the app costs $99/year. In fact, it costs $20/year, per user. You get 5 user licenses for your $99. For those who think it's somehow cheaper to pay for a full, fixed version of Office for >$200 per user (that's $1000 for 5 users) and then, have to PAY to get new versions, should just stick with iWork.

For me and my friends and clients, having to pay $20/year for Office 2013, Office for iPad, Office 2011 for Mac AND get 20GB more OneDrive storage, AND get all new version updates is a no-brainer. In 3 years (or less) when a new version of Office is released, I've only paid $60 for my Office, and guess what? I get the new version for no extra charge as part of my subscription. Do I really want to OWN an OLD version of Office?
 
I think there are many options for various use cases. And that's fantastic.

That doesn't make Office's subscription a "rip off" just because you CAN get other software that does something SIMILAR. Different needs require different functions.

The bashing is silly. No one is forcing you to use software you don't want to use (personally). Professionally it might be a different story - but in that case, I'm not sure how many people here are required to front the bill.
 
Having skimmed through a few of the many posts here, it obvious that in an effort for those who live to bash anything Microsoft (i.e., anything not Apple) many are misinformed that the app costs $99/year. In fact, it costs $20/year, per user. You get 5 user licenses for your $99. For those who think it's somehow cheaper to pay for a full, fixed version of Office for >$200 per user (that's $1000 for 5 users) and then, have to PAY to get new versions, should just stick with iWork.

For me and my friends and clients, having to pay $20/year for Office 2013, Office for iPad, Office 2011 for Mac AND get 20GB more OneDrive storage, AND get all new version updates is a no-brainer. In 3 years (or less) when a new version of Office is released, I've only paid $60 for my Office, and guess what? I get the new version for as part of my subscription. Do I really want to OWN an OLD version of Office?

While I agree that the home premium subscription is valuable, your argument works well only for people that need to run Office on more than one PC, otherwise Office would cost them 99$/year (of course they are getting all other benefits too). For those people this price could be a bit too much, but I guess that's why Microsoft is going to offer Office Home personal.
 
A car without an engine -- at least you can push it and it will move.

This is like a car with no engine, and no wheels.

Close? No neither is this.
Neither of your or his comparisons make any sense. You don't **NEED** macros to make Excel work. Excel's function is to be a spreadsheet - rows and columns - to store data, NOT to create macros. Macros are a feature of Excel. Wheels and an engine aren't a feature - they are a basic, necessary, part of a car!
Excel w/o macros is like a car w/o an air-con, a radio, etc. You know...FEATURES! :rolleyes:
A car is still a car and can be used as a car w/o those features, as long as it has wheels and an engine.
Just like Excel can still be used and is a spreadsheet program w/o macros.

Why is everyone trying to be a comedian when bashing another product??

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What does that even mean? In what way?

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Unlike most office users I'm not a glorified data entry person. I'm a software engineer. Thank you very much. Anyone who thinks working a spreadsheet is something that really takes anything more than a minimum level of brain activity needs to try building the spreadsheet software from scratch. Then talk to me about my skillset. I was building complex spreadsheets when I was barely in 3rd grade. So save that crap about my skill set. Lets talk about your skillset or lack thereof.

Office was the ticket back in 2001. It's 2014. The only people still listing office as a skill on their resume are the same people who haven't upgraded their skillset in a decade. That is what the poster was alluding to in his post which went right over your head.

The bottom line is no one cares that much about the tool you use as long as you are able to get work done with it and save them money. If that tool is office great. If it's a free option like iWork or Google docs even better.

Though I agree w/ you, you're letting yourself down w/ the bolded. Boasting about personal achievements on the internet to strangers that you can't prove is pointless and a waste of time and a rather poor way to substantiate your argument.

Excel is a basic data-entry program. But Excel is also a ridiculously difficult data storage, manipulation, and control program. And some people will never reach that level of need for Excel. Many won't need to, other won't want to.
 
My company works with over 5000 people worldwide.

7 years ago, Windows and Office. We thought we would always be a Microsoft company, until a new young IT manager persuaded us to consider switching to Apple with an initial test group of workers.

6 years ago, OS X and Office, with a possible transition to iWork and Scrivener.

3 years ago, OS X, iWork and Scrivener.

Today, we don't accept or use any Office files. If someone applies for a job citing Office skills, we think 'amateur and out of date' and reject them.

Business is up. Profits are up because of efficiency, and people using smart software to do smart things. Dumping Microsoft was the best business move we ever made.

Companies that stick with Microsoft do so out of ignorance, complacency and mediocrity. They think they need Microsoft. They are wrong. Who wants to work for or trade with such incompetent companies?

People say that they can't do X without Office. They are right. They can't. Other people can, and those are the modern open-minded people we want to employ.

Our only regret? That we didn't make the switch earlier.


You had me @

"7 years ago, Windows and Office. We thought we would always be a Microsoft company, until a new young IT manager persuaded us to consider switching to Apple with an initial test group of workers. "

You lost me @

"Today, we don't accept or use any Office files. If someone applies for a job citing Office skills, we think 'amateur and out of date' and reject them."

Outright BS..
 
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