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Having skimmed through a few of the many posts here, it's obvious that in an effort for those who live to bash anything Microsoft (i.e., anything not Apple) many are misinformed that the app costs $99/year. In fact, it costs $20/year, per user. You get 5 user licenses for your $99. For those who think it's somehow cheaper to pay for a full, fixed version of Office for >$200 per user (that's $1000 for 5 users) and then, have to PAY to get new versions, should just stick with iWork.

For me and my friends and clients, having to pay $20/year for Office 2013, Office for iPad, Office 2011 for Mac AND get 20GB more OneDrive storage, AND get all new version updates is a no-brainer. In 3 years (or less) when a new version of Office is released, I've only paid $60 for my Office, and guess what? I get the new version for no extra charge as part of my subscription. Do I really want to OWN an OLD version of Office?

I don't think math is a strong point for some. It's great that you point out that you get a 20gb OneDrive space upgrade with that subscription fee. Apple charges $40/year for a 20gb upgrade, almost half of that $99. (Reading thru Apple's website it looks like it's not an additional 20gb, but 20gb total versus OneDrive which is 7gb + 20gb, making MS that much of a better deal).

So essentially you could say for $59/year you are getting 5 licenses of Office. It's a very nice deal IMO. I can't fathom anyone being so broke to cry about $5/month.
 
Nice, but for my use case it's not that serious to have this on my iPad for a monthly fee.
 
Office 365 is a good deal if your a small business

It's a good deal if you are a household with multiple devices and users ( e.g. My case = 5 Macs and 2 iPads)

It's a very good deal if you are a university students, since the subscription lasts for 4 years.

It is a marginal deal if you are an individual user with a Mac and iPad.

It is a terrible deal and disappointing if you were hoping to go iPad alone and the only thing standing in your way was the lack of MS Office on the iPad. Although, I suspect this is the minority of users.

Most of the negative comments seem to be made in the context of an individual user or one trying to justify the 365 subscription for an iPad only.....
 
I don't get what the fuss is about here. Office 365 works out at 22p per day in the UK or less than 2 beers per month!
 
My company works with over 5000 people worldwide.

7 years ago, Windows and Office. We thought we would always be a Microsoft company, until a new young IT manager persuaded us to consider switching to Apple with an initial test group of workers.

6 years ago, OS X and Office, with a possible transition to iWork and Scrivener.

3 years ago, OS X, iWork and Scrivener.

Today, we don't accept or use any Office files. If someone applies for a job citing Office skills, we think 'amateur and out of date' and reject them.

Business is up. Profits are up because of efficiency, and people using smart software to do smart things. Dumping Microsoft was the best business move we ever made.

Companies that stick with Microsoft do so out of ignorance, complacency and mediocrity. They think they need Microsoft. They are wrong. Who wants to work for or trade with such incompetent companies?

People say that they can't do X without Office. They are right. They can't. Other people can, and those are the modern open-minded people we want to employ.

Our only regret? That we didn't make the switch earlier.

I missed this gem....

I've worked for
- Delta Lloyd Group (Bank & Insurance) = 6 670 employees -> MS Office
- BNP Paribas Group (Bank & Insurance) = 200 000+ employees -> MS Office
- KBC Group (Bank & Insurance) = 52 950 employees -> MS Office
- Atos Worldline (money transactions) = 77 000+ employees -> MS Office
- Belgian National Bank = 4 712 employees -> MS Office
- Belgian State Department for Pensions = 2 200 employees -> MS Office
- BOSCH = 306 000+ employees -> MS Office
- Tenneco/Monroe = 24 000+ employees -> MS Office
-....

Each company where I worked had MS Office on Windows as their primary Office suite. The departments that ran on OSX had Mac:Office.

While there were departments that ran iWork or OpenOffice, they always ran those systems on the side and kept it all as an internal use. Communication to other departments and other companies was done with MS Office or pdf's.

So please tell me more about that big, big company with a whole 5000 employees worldwide that is setting the standard in Office suite usage...

Also, please tell me, why me using MS Office as one of the go-to-names in bank, insurance and money transfer software testing makes me close-minded?
I thought that my knowledge of UML, SQL, SCRUM, ISTQB, ITIL, TMMi, IREB and HP ALM software would have a lot more importance...

The fact is that Microsoft is and will stay for a long time the standard in the corporate world and most corporations do not participate in the BYOD culture.

To Microsoft: Please add MS Access to Mac:Office!
 
That's called a rental, not a purchase.

Other developers have released new versions of their apps and required a repurchase.

All that aside - there have been several posts which illustrate that there's value in the cost spent.

If you don't see value in the cost, then I guess you'll just use something else.
 
I missed this gem....

I've worked for
- Delta Lloyd Group (Bank & Insurance) = 6 670 employees -> MS Office
- BNP Paribas Group (Bank & Insurance) = 200 000+ employees -> MS Office
- KBC Group (Bank & Insurance) = 52 950 employees -> MS Office
- Atos Worldline (money transactions) = 77 000+ employees -> MS Office
- Belgian National Bank = 4 712 employees -> MS Office
- Belgian State Department for Pensions = 2 200 employees -> MS Office
- BOSCH = 306 000+ employees -> MS Office
- Tenneco/Monroe = 24 000+ employees -> MS Office
-....

Each company where I worked had MS Office on Windows as their primary Office suite. The departments that ran on OSX had Mac:Office.

While there were departments that ran iWork or OpenOffice, they always ran those systems on the side and kept it all as an internal use. Communication to other departments and other companies was done with MS Office or pdf's.

So please tell me more about that big, big company with a whole 5000 employees worldwide that is setting the standard in Office suite usage...

Also, please tell me, why me using MS Office as one of the go-to-names in bank, insurance and money transfer software testing makes me close-minded?
I thought that my knowledge of UML, SQL, SCRUM, ISTQB, ITIL, TMMi, IREB and HP ALM software would have a lot more importance...

The fact is that Microsoft is and will stay for a long time the standard in the corporate world and most corporations do not participate in the BYOD culture.

To Microsoft: Please add MS Access to Mac:Office!

I have been working as a consultant for midsize and big companies worldwide and have never seen customers using anything else but MS Office! iWork is best case scenario for very small shops and/or private usage. For anything else, there is only one option..
 
Students get a HUGE discount on 4 years of service.

Probably mentioned later in the thread, but I believe the student "version" is limited to only two devices at a time, whereas the full version is for up to 10 devices (5 pcs and 5 tablets). If you want to use Word on your desktop, laptop, iPad, and iPhone, you can't use the student account.
 
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That's called a rental, not a purchase.
All software is rental.

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Probably mentioned later in the thread, but I believe the student "version" is limited to only two devices at a time, whereas the full version is unlimited devices. If you want to use Word on your desktop, laptop, iPad, and iPhone, you can't use the student account.

You haven't read very carefully. The full version is 5 computers & 5 tablets. And there is no phone version. There is a different app for phones with limited functionality.
 
Other developers have released new versions of their apps and required a repurchase.

All that aside - there have been several posts which illustrate that there's value in the cost spent.

If you don't see value in the cost, then I guess you'll just use something else.

There's no value to software subscriptions.

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All software is rental.

I disagree.
 
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I know plenty of folks who work for a Fortune 100 companies and have stopped using office in all but absolute necessary situations. Evernote, DropBox, Notes, iPad native apps and beyond - the future.

Unless we're looking backwards and desperately trying to hold on, why worship MS Office ? Microsoft was silly to try to get into the tablet business. Weren't they at one time a software company ? They should have gotten over this "Gates vs Jobs" rivalry thing and left the tablet to Apple and made 100% sure that Office and the other apps were modernized on the platforms of today and tomorrow.

Too little, too late. People have (gradually but steadily) moved on to other platforms.

Rgds

I call ******** on this. Any fortune 100 company has to deal with laws such as SOX/HIPPA/PCI. No way that evernote, notes, ipad native, or dropbox would ever pass muster when it comes to those laws. There is no way that a competent IT department at a F100 company would allow data to be stored like that...to much of a chance for data leakage. That's just asking for another situation like Target.
 
I call ******** on this. Any fortune 100 company has to deal with laws such as SOX/HIPPA/PCI. No way that evernote, notes, ipad native, or dropbox would ever pass muster when it comes to those laws. There is no way that a competent IT department at a F100 company would allow data to be stored like that...to much of a chance for data leakage. That's just asking for another situation like Target.

I agree. It's funny to see how people in this forum post here, without having any idea what they are talking about. Sometimes I think that this forum is full of teenagers that know nothing about technology and the industry...
 
I'm having trouble understanding your argument. Are you suggesting that a person who subscribes to Office (or Adobe CC) achieves no value?

I think "value" is a bad choice of words. But I agree with their sentiment. Paying a never ending fee for something should be reserved for things that constantly evolve, improve, and offer more benefits over time. Many people can go several years without finding any need to upgrade software, and traditionally, bug fixes were part of the initial cost of the program. So if someone has no need for continually "upgrading" their software, why should they have to continually pay for it? Subscription services are fine and can be worthwhile to many large companies because they have no use for the software once they cease to exist as a company. Independents and home users however, should not be forced into a lifetime of subscription fees for software which likely goes in phases of high and low use. The value is in what you end up with. After 12 months of subscription, what are you left with? Nothing, if you don't continue to pay. In a way, you are actually losing value exponentially as each month goes by. You have nothing more in month 4 as you had in month 1, but you've paid 4 times as much at that point. It is seen this way in car leases and home ownership vs. rental. Why, then, should people consider software rental any different?
 
I LIKE it

I have had Office 365, for a while, this ONE DRIVE and Office for iPAD, sweeten the pot. Next month we will be able to EDIT/PRINT anything in ONE DRIVE,as well as anything created in Office For iPAD:cool:

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i think "value" is a bad choice of words. But i agree with their sentiment. Paying a never ending fee for something should be reserved for things that constantly evolve, improve, and offer more benefits over time. Many people can go several years without finding any need to upgrade software, and traditionally, bug fixes were part of the initial cost of the program. So if someone has no need for continually "upgrading" their software, why should they have to continually pay for it? Subscription services are fine and can be worthwhile to many large companies because they have no use for the software once they cease to exist as a company. Independents and home users however, should not be forced into a lifetime of subscription fees for software which likely goes in phases of high and low use. The value is in what you end up with. After 12 months of subscription, what are you left with? Nothing, if you don't continue to pay. In a way, you are actually losing value exponentially as each month goes by. You have nothing more in month 4 as you had in month 1, but you've paid 4 times as much at that point. It is seen this way in car leases and home ownership vs. Rental. Why, then, should people consider software rental any different?

office 365 includes all updates automatically!
 
Yes, that is a problem, but I think everybody can understand why Microsoft is doing that. Just have a look at the iWork apps. They work with iCloud only and don't allow direct saving to Dropbox.

iWork supports saving directly to any WebDAV server - which is a valid method of connecting to dropbox.



As a general comment....an office suite needs to be able to print - which Office for ipad can't. I'd have to email it to myself to open in pages before being able to print.

Secondly, I need to be able to save as a PDF. Office for ipad can't do this basic task.
 
iWork supports saving directly to any WebDAV server - which is a valid method of connecting to dropbox.



As a general comment....an office suite needs to be able to print - which Office for ipad can't. I'd have to email it to myself to open in pages before being able to print.

Secondly, I need to be able to save as a PDF. Office for ipad can't do this basic task.

That's coming. How soon? God only knows.
 
Probably mentioned later in the thread, but I believe the student "version" is limited to only two devices at a time, whereas the full version is for up to 10 devices (5 pcs and 5 tablets). If you want to use Word on your desktop, laptop, iPad, and iPhone, you can't use the student account.

The limit is 2 computers AND 2 tablets. And MS currently does not enforce the limit on tablets (honest system).
 
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