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They might not have wants to dumb down Office for a touch environment...

I'm somewhat worried that's what's going to happen. It would take an herculean effort to make a robust Office port that actually works with a touch interface. I wonder if Microsoft has actually achieved it, or if what they have done is just a broken window dressing (like iWorks).

Regardless, the subscription is bad news. Way too many people think an iPad would not work as a productivity tool (prefering to see it only as an overly expensive toy); Microsoft should make it easy for people to see how the iPad can actually be a great working tool, and once they're hooked begin to charge. For example, by making Word for iPad a common app, and demanding a subscription only for Excell and Power Point.
 
Microsoft doesn't want to pay Apple's 30%. So the external subscription is how they get around that.

If that's the case that means that there won't be any way to subscribe from the app and Microsoft is disallowed to even put a link to an external subscription site inside the app.

From the App Store Review Guidelines :

11.14 Apps can read or play approved content (specifically magazines, newspapers, books, audio, music, video and cloud storage) that is subscribed to or purchased outside of the App, as long as there is no button or external link in the App to purchase the approved content. Apple will only receive a portion of revenues for content purchased inside the App
 
Uh...Windows 8?

Office doesn't work on the Metro side.

You install it on W8, it runs in the W7 desktop.

I'm curious what MS is gonna do but my gut feeling is since there's no pointer, it's gonna be a pain in the ass to use, like iWork for iOS. Everyone will be picking up their finger and poking the screen every 2 seconds just to do things like align a cursor or select a cell.
 
Office is an anachronistic clerical suite for clerks who do clerical tasks. Deluded 'power users' are clerks, stuck with using plebeian software designed in the 1990s. There is nothing professional about Office.

Office is to modern software what the fax machine was to email when it first launched...the dinosaurs said the fax machine would never die and claimed that they were the special people who needed faxes to do professional business.

There are always people stuck with misplaced reliance on old technology.

Lots of edgy derision, very little substance. You need proof to back up your assertion.

I give this post a C-.
 
I think the strategy will be to connect Office for iOS to Office 365. So, no stand alone or "pay once and use it until next big update" version.
 
One day when my kids were little, I sat with them and watched "Barney and Friends." After a few minutes I said, "This is the stupidest thing I have ever seen, I can't stand this." To which my wife replied, "That's because it wasn't made for you." And sure enough, my kids loved it.

For those of you who who are able to do your work in iWork (please stop putting an s at the end.) congratulations to you. You know what? Office was not written for you.

But please stop with the stupid, "who wants this" and "I don't need this" comments because, yeah we get it. Not everyone needs Word. But there are plenty of us out here that do need it and need serious tools that are compatible with everyone else that we have to work with. And those of us who do need Office don't really care that you don't, or that your hatred of a tech company leads you to go out of your way to avoid their software.

/irritated rant

The problem is that fewer and fewer people actually need (and even fewer use) the advanced features in Office, companies and people are realising that more and more. If a company's CFO today isn't looking at this internally and trying to figure out how to reduce their MS license fees, that person should be fired because they are wasting the company's money. I've got lots of experience in big and small corporates and the vast majority of users never do anything more than what today's free alternatives provide.

It wasn't always that way, it used to be that MS Office provided an additional amount of features above and beyond the competition that warranted spending money with MS, but not any more (for most people). Yes, there are people that need pivot tables and other features in MS Office, but the vast majority of users (corporate and home) do NOT need these features and can now find them in free alternatives on every single platform, some even cross-platform, something that until now MS refused to do anything but bash. MS is a software company and they refused to feed off any milk except that which came from their own cash cow, Windows, much to the dismay and chagrin of people who actually used non-Windows but wanted MS Office on those devices.

Office suite products provide functionality that OSes and basic add ons are implementing more and more as basic functionality, and users are expecting and demanding this basic functionality be included. The amount of functionality remaining to be R&D'd in these products is negligible - there is no revolution in office suite products remaining, those days are over. The functionality yet to come is cross platform support, but for some reason the king of this segment, the undisputed king, has refused to play and now years later they finally, FINALLY show up to the party (hopefully this rumour is true, it spells nothing but goodness for Apple and the iPad), and yet the fact they ignored a major platform so long, that's not what you find irritating?

Lots of other people do, and rightfully so. And the majority of the rest think, what's the value of this I already get this functionality for free from myriad other vendors.

This action is just soooooo typical of Microsoft.
 
And? Seriously, Office is a rather big, rather complicated, piece of software.

Not as big and complicated as an entire operating system. Yet, Microsoft had no trouble completely redesigning Windows in less than 4 years, which kudos to them for it. Besides, Office has had its own development division for the longest time. What's more, within Microsoft's Office division, there's another separate 'Office For Mac' development team. So, yes, it is completely their fault for urinating the golden (no pun intended) opportunity away.
 
It's not like Office for iPad will have all the features that the desktop version has. Even if it did, we're not talking about a small start-up here. If Microsoft wanted to release Office for iPad quickly, they could do it in a couple of months (about four years ago).

I'm sure what they are about to release have been ready for quite some time. They simply tried to make Office one of the main selling points of the Surface first which, as we all can see, did not work. Now they are trying to make the most out of it.

We don't know what Office on the iPad will be like.

He is pretty cool actually.

Microsoft dragged their feet for too long. There was a time I would have paid $100 for Office on iPad. Now iWork is so much improved and I have grown so accustomed to not using Office that it would take overcoming inertia to go back to using Office.

Microsoft blew it. They sacrificed Office at the altar of Windows. They even sacrificed their tablet and phone strategy at the altar of Windows. Apple forged ahead into mobile and then went "Back to the Mac" by linking things through iCloud. Microsoft refused to leave Windows behind and instead the whole company got left behind.

And there are millions of people who don't think like you.

point taken ;)

You seem to be one of a few people who understand it.

Subscription service is the only way to guarantee recurring revenue even when you are not improving the software and providing new features. It is much more consumer-friendly to charge for upgrades because upgrades give your consumers more features to go with the added cost.

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The iPad version of Office has been complete for quite some time and leaked in late 2012 or early 2013, but Microsoft has held it up internally because they were trying to promote Windows 8 on the Surface tablet. Just another example of sacrificing Office at the altar of Windows.

Source? Not saying you're lying, I've just never read it. You just might be right, as I'm not omnipotent yet.

That is the problem here. Apples 30% cut is simply to much for microsoft to accept. Consumers don't like subscriptions for Software.

So in the end everybody loses. Apple by not getting much out of the subscription, the consumer by not getting an attractive price model, Microsoft by getting lower acceptance of their MS-Office. And in the end maybe a few people even don't buy/upgrade their iPad.

Consumers who are likely to pay Office level prices are usually okay with subscriptions. Office isn't exactly a consumer item.

Four years, with absolutely nothing released? Sorry, that's ridiculous.

They could have come out with a paired-down version (like what we got today with OneNote, and what Apple is doing with Pages) and added features over time. In fact, I will be very surprised if the version we get won't be paired-down as well. It's going to feel like a 1.0 version app.

I'd rather wait, have a good UI, and 60% of what Office provides than have a rushed item that barely works.

Uh...Windows 8?

Windows 8 isn't dumbed down.

That argument sounds logical, and I hear it all the time from Microsoft fans, but if someone creates a store - digital or bricks n mortar - they are entitled to a cut of sales because they are bringing in business for the product owner. Apple's iOS Store is literally a channel which puts Office for iPad in the laps of millions of people. The success of the iPad and the App Store will bring in potentially millions of dollars for Microsoft. Saying that Apple 'don't deserve' a cut is like saying that Walmart doesn't deserve a cut for the stuff that it sells, because it doesn't make any of it. Or that Amazon doesn't deserve a cut when they sell a book, because they didn't write any of it. Or that Microsoft doesn't deserve a cut when they sell a Surface app, because they didn't code it. Yep, Microsoft also takes a 30% cut of those apps you download on your Surface - do they deserve any of that? :confused:

Walmart has limited space, you're renting their space. iOS Store has a less limited space. Also, it takes a lower amount of resources to keep the store going than to keep Walmart going.

I'm somewhat worried that's what's going to happen. It would take an herculean effort to make a robust Office port that actually works with a touch interface. I wonder if Microsoft has actually achieved it, or if what they have done is just a broken window dressing (like iWorks).

Regardless, the subscription is bad news. Way too many people think an iPad would not work as a productivity tool (prefering to see it only as an overly expensive toy); Microsoft should make it easy for people to see how the iPad can actually be a great working tool, and once they're hooked begin to charge. For example, by making Word for iPad a common app, and demanding a subscription only for Excell and Power Point.

We'll have to wait and see, but I have faith in Microsoft.

Office doesn't work on the Metro side.

You install it on W8, it runs in the W7 desktop.

I'm curious what MS is gonna do but my gut feeling is since there's no pointer, it's gonna be a pain in the ass to use, like iWork for iOS. Everyone will be picking up their finger and poking the screen every 2 seconds just to do things like align a cursor or select a cell.

He's saying that W8 is dumbed down.
 
Not as big and complicated as an entire operating system. Yet, Microsoft had no trouble completely redesigning Windows in less than 4 years, which kudos to them for it. Besides, Office has had its own development division for the longest time. What's more, within Microsoft's Office division, there's another separate 'Office For Mac' development team. So, yes, it is completely their fault for urinating the golden (no pun intended) opportunity away.

They didn't completely redesign Windows in four years. They updated and upgraded, made a new UI, but that was it. They did a straight port for RT, while taking away some things. The two are not even remotely similar. They had a base of what to work with.

Making Office for the iPad? They're starting from scratch.
 
The problem is that fewer and fewer people actually need (and even fewer use) the advanced features in Office, companies and people are realising that more and more.

True enough. And I might be able to use Pages if the .doc format was the native format. But I often have to send documents to others to have them edit, etc. and many of them are non-Mac users.

To have to mess with saving a .pages as a .doc and making sure that the formatting doesn't get screwed up is too much of a hassle.

And then there are times where I really do need some of the advanced features of Word. I don't want to be using Pages for simple things and Word for the few times where I need its power, even if it isn't very often.
 
For what I'd do with Excel on the iPad, I think I'd be fine just paying the $10 for Numbers. Or, maybe I'll just wait until I upgrade the iPad and get it free. I'm not going to be running advanced pivot tables, or massive spreadsheets from the iPad anyway.
 
True enough. And I might be able to use Pages if the .doc format was the native format. But I often have to send documents to others to have them edit, etc. and many of them are non-Mac users.

Well according to Macrumors you should be using Quip

That way you can convert a proprietary format to another proprietary format that your friend can then download and convert back to his own proprietary format

Apparently Quip is the future because some CEO nobody heard of said so
 
As someone who helps companies transition from paper to paperless, this is the best news I've ever heard.

The executives don't want windows tablets, they want their iPads. This causes massive headaches due to compatibility issues.

If I can send someone a word doc, they can open and EDIT it on their iPad, WITHOUT any formatting loss.. this will be massive.
 
Well according to Macrumors you should be using Quip

That way you can convert a proprietary format to another proprietary format that your friend can then download and convert back to his own proprietary format

Apparently Quip is the future because some CEO nobody heard of said so

That sounds so simple!
 
Yep. Apple just barely made it to 2014 without Office on iOS. Hopefully this will turn around their awful iDevice sales.

You missed the point.

One of the main complaints of the iPad when it first launched was the lack of productivity apps.

Feel free to re-write history though. Or pollute the argument with the old song and dance of how it sold millions anyway. That doesn't negate anything I've written.
 
Walmart has limited space, you're renting their space. iOS Store has a less limited space. Also, it takes a lower amount of resources to keep the store going than to keep Walmart going.

I know that you're really busy but out of curiosity - do developers have to pay any money that Microsoft doesn't deserve either when they want to sell something through the MS app store? Thanks for your time.
 
It's pretty much like this.

Don't want to buy a surface - that's ok. If you've got an iPad - we've got you covered too.
 
Enterprise customers will welcome this. Isn't this is who Microsoft really cares about anyway?

If this is the case then Microsoft needs to bring back MS Works and charge a competitive price for it on iOS and OSX. Most users do not need all the wonderful features in Word, PowerPoint and Excel. MS should break features down by tiers and sell a "Works" license not requiring a subscription and Small Business or Enterprise license requiring the 365 subscription. I think a flat subscription requirement is not going to help MS sell Office on the iPad, or Office in OSX. (assuming the new version of Office on OSX requires a subscription) Unfortunately, I think this type of licensing strategy is going to encourage jail breaking and piracy.
 
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