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But that was a relatively new release. There were a few years there where MS didn’t offer the stand-alone at all (to consumers, there was still the ability for businesses to buy the one time license).

Given the way winds are blowing, I wouldn’t be surprised if Office 2021 is the end of the line for individual licenses.
This can certainly happen. And it isn't even difficult to picture,

We've seen it before, just take a look at the poster child 1Password. Slowly boiling the frog by removing features from stand alone licenses, until only one option existed.
 
Do subscriptions actually drive the development of the product though? When you have to pay for upgrades, there is significant incentive for developers to create new features and make a better product so users will WANT to upgrade. With a subscription model, developers get paid regardless of what they do with the software. Seems like there would be less motivation to add new features, create improvements, or actually do what the user base wants.

Also, you reference being able to use the latest version as a pro for the subscription model. Change can be good, bad or neutral. I wouldn’t assume the latest version of any software out there is the best version of that software. It could be, but that isn’t something that can be assumed.
I'd like for people to provide actual numbers, although given this tends to be private information, probably can't count on it.

The only reason people would still keep subbing to a service they don't like or no longer get value out of is because they forget, or are lazy. However, I'd argue this isn't a good reason, and you could get exploited as a tech consumer in other ways anyways. I know with streaming services, when content or features get yanked, that community is quit to cancel their subs (esp. if they're on monthly. Otherwise, for annual plans, they cancel now, and don't let that auto-renew).

For me at least, when I get a 1-time license purchase, I am NOT motivated to get the new version. I'll stay on that one for as long as possible. Especially with Office since the for us consumers don't need every new major version (the extra features can be very helpful for the corporate environment though). I'm currently doing that with Office 2016. My father used Office 2001 until it no longer worked (he's on Libre Office now). Many here are also on versions of Office that are from the 00s decade.
 
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Nope. There are many options for this I do not need it uselessly bundled in a productivity suite.



No, I only want the software to work with my OS be it Windows or MacOS, bug fixes and "emergency" security updates as needed (of course I wouldn't need bug fixes or security updates if the software were properly written in the first place). If the yearly/-biyearly updates provided any value people would buy them, but they don't.



No, I have never called MS for Office support and I have been using it since Office 95.



Nope, computer only.



MS needs the sub model because their Office updates do not provide any value! Arguably the only thing of value, for the average user, they have added since Office 2003 is the cloud service and most people have other options for that. I bought Office 2003 and ran it basically until I was forced to use 365 for work. At home I use the Apple suite.

Subs are just the path for devs to continue their revenue stream while not really providing any real value. If MS added something great to Office every year or two people would buy new licenses but guess what? They don't. Again, the vast majority of people would happily be using Office 2003 right now if they could.

Well put all of it, but this one extremely true for Office:

MS needs the sub model because their Office updates do not provide any value!


It is a sad state of things when you think you need your MS Office to have frequent "updates", but never ever reach a stable and complete version.
 
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I feel like I'm suffering from Deja Vu suddenly when I see members on here moaning about subscription models. I literally just wrote a post on this topic on another thread.

Here's the full article, but below is a summary of what I said: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...tures-and-complications.2365350/post-31617006

People have a very narrow-minded view of subscriptions and simply bemoan them without thinking about why companies are taking this approach. Times have changed people.

It was a very different world in software development before subscription models existed. Only Windows and Mac versions existed. Sometimes it was just the one. There were fewer updates. You didn't expect the developers to support a cloud platform. You also had lower support expectations as you didn't expect a reply within the day.

With a sub-model, you are supporting your favourite software. You are supporting the development and future of the product, and you are paying for the ongoing costs.

So before whining about subscription models, how about you look at why the economics of products have changed? You want cloud features. You want constant updates. You want 24/7 support. You want it across all your devices.

A one-time fee simply doesn't provide the necessary income to support this. A subscription model does, plus it allows users always to receive the latest version of the software.

Cloud data needs to be stored somewhere and this has costs yet we want more and more storage. Who pays for this? Who pays for the developers constantly delivering updates? Who pays for their business costs? Who pays for their marketing, research and more? Do you think it's all free?

Finally, many moan about subscription costs yet everyone is completely oblivious to the fact that we all laughed at the iPhones launch price of $600, yet nobody bats an eyelid today spending $1600 on today's 13 Pro Max....(double the cost if you were to value it in today's money).

I'm not saying all software should be subscription based. Small utilities and accessories don't deserve this, but full-fledged packages (even from the likes of Microsoft and Adobe), are well-suited to subscription models.
A lot of people are experiencing subscription fatigue and every company seems to be considering moving to a subscription only model if they haven’t already. I have close to ten subscriptions at the moment and a good number of people have more than that. I also think many companies are using the move to a subscription only model to “mask” unreasonable price increases and with inflation the way it is today, that is increasingly leaving a bitter taste in the mouths of many consumers. These companies are hoping consumers “just get used to it”, but I think companies will have a much higher bar to clear to prove that their service is worth the increases/being “locked in” and not perceived as merely a money grab. I think a good number of them would fail that “test” at the moment.
 
I have. Versions 2004, 2011 and 2019, I believe they were named. There was one more, maybe it was called 6 ? Can't really remember. That one was on floppy and it was unbareable.

Yes, it was expensive. But the thing is - it was also worth it as this was pretty much feature complete software.

And this is the major argument for - and against - Office and 365. As an important tool for millions, it is much better to invest in development first and release a stable and feature complete version, that sells for a price that is sustainable for both parties.
Moving this type of software to subscription model is insane. Even if we leave out the cost part for the customer.
It will mean the financing of development is paid in installements, ie development will never have sufficient to make it feature complete.
They will harrow around with a tool that is not and will never be completely ready for the job.

For important tools I prefer paying for a feature complete, stable version which can be trusted to work as intended for an extended period of time.
I'm sorry but I think you need to work out your maths.

You claim to have purchased four versions of office. At an average price of about $600 per version, you have paid $2,400 in software from Microsoft.

Office 365 Family (which I subscribe to), is $100 per year. So all in all, you have spent what would be 24 years worth of use of Office 365. If you use the personal edition, you'd get 34 years out of that.

Same product, plus a lot more including 1TB of cloud storage and tons more.

If you had the family edition, you can include up to 5 family members across 5 systems (which was definitely not permitted in the old model).

Heck, even if you bought the business version (to get Publisher and Access - the former never included in Office unless you got the top premium version), you would get the equivalent of 20 years.

And bear in mind, throughout that subscription, you would always have the latest version of the software. Always.

Based on your historical purchases, a subscription model works very nicely for you and very much in your favour.
 
A lot of people are experiencing subscription fatigue and every company seems to be considering moving to a subscription only model if they haven’t already. I have close to ten subscriptions at the moment and a good number of people have more than that. I also think many companies are using the move to a subscription only model to “mask” unreasonable price increases and with inflation the way it is today, that is increasingly leaving a bitter taste in the mouths of many consumers. These companies are hoping consumers “just get used to it”, but I think companies will have a much higher bar to clear to prove that their service is worth the increases/being “locked in” and not perceived as merely a money grab. I think a good number of them would fail that “test” at the moment.
Much like your bank accounts, you should keep track of your subs and remove them if unused.

I too have a ton on my plate, but they are used.
  • Apple One
  • YouTube Premium
  • Spotify
  • Microsoft 365
  • Adobe Photography 1TB
  • Zwift
  • Netflix
  • Amazon Prime
  • Disney+
  • Strava
Yes it all adds up, but I keep it documented and part of my annual budget. The problem is some people just sign up and forget. Much like a gym membership.
 
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With that out of the way you can now concentrate on convincing them that Google is NOT a browser or, even more commonly assumed, the internet.
Ergh. Do you know how many people I saw when working in a retail phone store that used the Google app on their iPhone or iPad as a web browser.

Most didn’t know what safari was.
 
You claim to have purchased four versions of office. At an average price of about $600 per version, you have paid $2,400 in software from Microsoft.

Office 365 Family (which I subscribe to), is $100 per year. So all in all, you have spent what would be 24 years worth of use of Office 365. If you use the personal edition, you'd get 34 years out of that.
Office Home & Student is currently a 1 time purchase price of $149. Not sure where you got $600 from.
source: https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/mic...2021/CFQ7TTC0H8N8?activetab=pivot:overviewtab
 
I can’t help to think that after using “Microsoft Office” for 20 years, I’ll probably still be calling it MS Office 20 years from now. Shorter time frame, but Coke Zero has been “Coke Zero Sugar” for some time now. Except for those who actually drink it and ask for Coke Zero at the counter. I still ask-why?
 
I feel like I'm suffering from Deja Vu suddenly when I see members on here moaning about subscription models. I literally just wrote a post on this topic on another thread.

Here's the full article, but below is a summary of what I said: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...tures-and-complications.2365350/post-31617006

People have a very narrow-minded view of subscriptions and simply bemoan them without thinking about why companies are taking this approach. Times have changed people.

It was a very different world in software development before subscription models existed. Only Windows and Mac versions existed. Sometimes it was just the one. There were fewer updates. You didn't expect the developers to support a cloud platform. You also had lower support expectations as you didn't expect a reply within the day.

With a sub-model, you are supporting your favourite software. You are supporting the development and future of the product, and you are paying for the ongoing costs.

So before whining about subscription models, how about you look at why the economics of products have changed? You want cloud features. You want constant updates. You want 24/7 support. You want it across all your devices.

A one-time fee simply doesn't provide the necessary income to support this. A subscription model does, plus it allows users always to receive the latest version of the software.

Cloud data needs to be stored somewhere and this has costs yet we want more and more storage. Who pays for this? Who pays for the developers constantly delivering updates? Who pays for their business costs? Who pays for their marketing, research and more? Do you think it's all free?

Finally, many moan about subscription costs yet everyone is completely oblivious to the fact that we all laughed at the iPhones launch price of $600, yet nobody bats an eyelid today spending $1600 on today's 13 Pro Max....(double the cost if you were to value it in today's money).

I'm not saying all software should be subscription based. Small utilities and accessories don't deserve this, but full-fledged packages (even from the likes of Microsoft and Adobe), are well-suited to subscription models.
Is that why they want me to pay $5 per month for a some crappy photo editing app? You make some points, but they are using the subscription model because it makes more money for them. Period.
 
Which iPad are you using? Only recent ones have enough RAM to really do multi-tasking. Instead they would suspend background apps and reinstate them when you come back. Usually the apps come back where you were though. It is supposed to be transparent to the user.
iPad Pro 12.9” M1 256gb. It can do all that multitasking but the OneDrive app… cannot.
 
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I really don’t get the appeal for Word… Excel and Outlook sure, but why oh why is Word the “standard” text processing software. It’s horrible in basically every way. It’s terrible for formatting and page design (it does all kinds of random things you don’t want it to do), and it’s terrible as a simple text editor too (wayyyy overblown). There is so much better software out there for text formatting (LaTeX!!). This is a classic example of something being a standard not because it’s the best, but just because it’s pushed by industry.
 
I think Microsoft Office sounds better. What does the “365” pertain to? It makes me think of Whole Foods 365.
I think it was supposed to refer to it being available to use 365 days out of the year. But Microsoft blew it on that pretty quickly. With all of their cloud issues and downtime to date, it's probably more of a 361 product.
 
I feel like I'm suffering from Deja Vu suddenly when I see members on here moaning about subscription models. I literally just wrote a post on this topic on another thread.

Here's the full article, but below is a summary of what I said: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...tures-and-complications.2365350/post-31617006

People have a very narrow-minded view of subscriptions and simply bemoan them without thinking about why companies are taking this approach. Times have changed people.

It was a very different world in software development before subscription models existed. Only Windows and Mac versions existed. Sometimes it was just the one. There were fewer updates. You didn't expect the developers to support a cloud platform. You also had lower support expectations as you didn't expect a reply within the day.

With a sub-model, you are supporting your favourite software. You are supporting the development and future of the product, and you are paying for the ongoing costs.

So before whining about subscription models, how about you look at why the economics of products have changed? You want cloud features. You want constant updates. You want 24/7 support. You want it across all your devices.

A one-time fee simply doesn't provide the necessary income to support this. A subscription model does, plus it allows users always to receive the latest version of the software.

Cloud data needs to be stored somewhere and this has costs yet we want more and more storage. Who pays for this? Who pays for the developers constantly delivering updates? Who pays for their business costs? Who pays for their marketing, research and more? Do you think it's all free?

Finally, many moan about subscription costs yet everyone is completely oblivious to the fact that we all laughed at the iPhones launch price of $600, yet nobody bats an eyelid today spending $1600 on today's 13 Pro Max....(double the cost if you were to value it in today's money).

I'm not saying all software should be subscription based. Small utilities and accessories don't deserve this, but full-fledged packages (even from the likes of Microsoft and Adobe), are well-suited to subscription models.

I'd say they're only well-suited to this model when you're talking about corporate or educational purchasing vs individuals for home use.

The reason so many people dislike the subscription model lies in the fact that for home use, the vast majority of people just want to pay once for the application they need and don't care about having the latest release all the time after that. It can even be the polar opposite. I knew a graphics designer who used Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator and never wanted to go to a version newer than a specific older release (like v14) that was his favorite. He was paid well to simply draw the fonts and graphics for the outsides of shipping containers for goods getting imported from China to the USA. He had all he needed in those releases of the apps and his collection of templates and artwork. Zero interest in some subscription that would force him onto newer releases with new things to learn and menus moved around, etc. etc.
 
JUST as I get the old folks to understand that "Word" is not "Windows" when I try to remotely trouble shoot o_O
I heartily recommend installing TeamViewer or something if you're regularly called in to do elder tech support. It's seriously a lifesaver to just remote in when they've accidentally made their browser window the wrong size and "the computer is broken" 🤣
 
I think it was supposed to refer to it being available to use 365 days out of the year. But Microsoft blew it on that pretty quickly. With all of their cloud issues and downtime to date, it's probably more of a 361 product.
But wasn’t Office also available 365 days a year? It’s just not clear to me, and I thought the Office branding was solid. Whole Food’s 365 private label branding makes sense since it conveys everyday low prices.
 
Much like your bank accounts, you should keep track of your subs and remove them if unused.

I too have a ton on my plate, but they are used.
  • Apple One
  • YouTube Premium
  • Spotify
  • Microsoft 365
  • Adobe Photography 1TB
  • Zwift
  • Netflix
  • Amazon Prime
  • Disney+
  • Strava
Yes it all adds up, but I keep it documented and part of my annual budget. The problem is some people just sign up and forget. Much like a gym membership.
While there may be some people who sign up and forget it, most people are very aware of all of subs they pay for. Sure, you can cancel a streaming service if they don’t air the programming you prefer for two or three months, but it’s far from ideal if you’re constantly juggling around subs depending on the value/benefit proposition they offer you at the current time. In that case, some people may simply turn to the alternative.
 
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