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what have you done nokia, my first phone was nokia 7250.
now they have joined with that evil company. sucks
 
Going to be tough

Android smartphone: 79.3%
Windows smartphone: 3.7%

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not much better for tablets:

Android tablets: 62.6%
Windows tablets: 4.5%


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and Android tablet market share will only go up from 62.6%

Even now, with its single yearly iPhone model (a second next week) Apple and Samsung split the profits for the smartphone market. That mean's that all those other Android sales aren't providing OEM profit, nor are most even adding to Android ecosystem profits. Most are just inexpensive feature phone replacements for the undeveloped world. This is the flaw in speaking of Android marketshare without the quality of that share.

In that context, Apple and MSFT/Nokia are in fact a lot stronger entities vs Android than your tables imply. That is the flaw in the in a strictly marketshare viewpoint.
 
You guys DO REALIZE that most of you chuckling at the purchase sound just like Steve Ballmer when the iPhone was released. Remind me again how that's worked out for him...

how on earth is a desperate acquisition anything like reinventing the cell phone?

the iPhone was a disruptor that changed everything. ballmer was a fool not to realize it. it's also why he was ultimately fired (failed mobile strategy). Nokia has been a sinking ship, and windows mobile is a Johnny come lately me-too. they're oddly perfect for each other.

but not a disruptive reinvention of the cell phone. sorry.
 
0 crashes in 2 years for iOS.

Except when I install a jailbreak tweak that I know has a good chance of crashing it.


I think these are both exaggerations - 2 crashes on Windows phone in 18 months? I haven't used mine very much possibly for 2 weeks and I had well over 10. (Lumia 920)

iOS I have had Facebook and Safari crashes as well as a few games now and then. My iPhone is my main phone and I use it all day every day and in what's nearly a year of owning my 64GB iPhone 5 I have had probably about 10 crashes in that year - I had more crashes on my 4S and 4 before that.

I have to agree iOS is far more stable than Windows Phone and Android but they all still crash from time to time.
 
Sure, there's some potential with the Microsoft-Nokia deal being the ticket to bring Microsoft some mobile mojo. But that's not the most important factor for success. All of this means squat if Microsoft cannot find a capable CEO to replace Ballmer.

In fact, the next CEO's job just got even more complex, more difficult, more demanding. He has some very big shoes to fill. The expectation will be extremely high for him to perform.

Indeed. This may be a brilliant move on Elop's behalf.

So the trojan horse thing was successful. Well played Mr. Elop.


Looks like Elop may be the next CEO of Microsoft.

Via Engadget :

CEO Steve Ballmer confirmed that Elop is in the running for his gig, stating, "Stephen will go from external [candidate] to internal."



Seattle Times Article :

Once the transition is finalized, Elop becomes an executive vice president at Microsoft, heading a devices division that will include Windows Phone, as well as Xbox and Surface. Julie Larson-Green, who is now the executive vice president in charge of the Devices & Studios division at Microsoft, will report to Elop.

Before going to Nokia, Elop was president of Microsoft’s Business division, the unit that handles Microsoft Office and other products. His name has come up fairly frequently — and recently topped the list of at least one oddsmaker — as a possible successor to Ballmer, who announced last month that he would be retiring once his successor has been chosen within 12 months.
 
Reminds me of those movies when the guy starts winning in Vegas, gets all excited, then starts lose. This doesn't sit we'll will him (at all :D )

So he starts to ante-up .....everything.
 
Poor Nokia. Sad but inevitable news.

Symbian was a great operating system, better than the others in many ways, the file system, multitasking and widgets for example. I still wonder what a contemporary Symbian phone could be like. Nokia also had some of the best hardware (N95, N8) and unquestionably the best cameras in phones.

However; they failed to see quickly enough the significance of and apply sufficient resources in three key areas; the app store, touchscreens and marketing.

Then when Elop came in, they were doomed.

I don't think this move is likely to increase Windows phone fortunes but may make their production more efficient and therefore cheaper, especially important for the emerging markets. Nokia has done well with the lower end phones, perhaps this will accelerate the demise of the dumbphone in this sector.

iPhone 5C vs Microkia X
 
That's why Elop has been regarded as a Trojan horse since his installment from Microsoft to Nokia. And now he accomplished a lot: to tank Nokia's smartphone business to oblivion and let Microsoft purchase it with a fraction of its value in the past - and return to Microsoft! RIP Nokia, the once global almighty mobile phone giant. I don't know how to describe my feelings.

Must say... Haven't been supporting anyone but Apple since the first iPhone but I once was a massive Nokia fan and this is just sad. Elop has had agenda from day one and everyone suspected it but he denied .... Until now. And yes it's a fraction of the price.

Just a sad day for a once very big and signifiant player
 
Most of the Android guys are sad about never getting a Nokia device with Android. :rolleyes: Apple doesn't care. They have the better developers and the better apps. Plus, the Windows Phone software works nicely on a Mac.

Second person in the thread talking about Android has been you so I don't know why are you upset about "android people".
 
A: It's sort of a funny question. Would I trade 96% of the market for 4% of the market? (Laughter.) I want to have products that appeal to everybody.

Now we'll get a chance to go through this again in phones and music players. There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance. It's a $500 subsidized item. They may make a lot of money. But if you actually take a look at the 1.3 billion phones that get sold, I'd prefer to have our software in 60% or 70% or 80% of them, than I would to have 2% or 3%, which is what Apple might get.

In the case of music, Apple got out early. They were the first to really recognize that you couldn't just think about the device and all the pieces separately. Bravo. Credit that to Steve (Jobs) and Apple. They did a nice job.

But it's not like we're at the end of the line of innovation that's going to come in the way people listen to music, watch videos, etc. I'll bet our ads will be less edgy. But my 85-year-old uncle probably will never own an iPod, and I hope we'll get him to own a Zune.

Balmer was prescient. Windows mobile OS has 3.7% market share.
 
0 crashes in 2 years for iOS.

Except when I install a jailbreak tweak that I know has a good chance of crashing it.

iOS has been stable for me also.

What's not acceptable are the issues and bugs that are show-stoppers for large amounts of people. Look how many millions of people have been affected by Exchange issues for example. If Apple's software can't respect industry standard protocols then that's far more serious than a crash.

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what have you done nokia, my first phone was nokia 7250.
now they have joined with that evil company. sucks

Why are they evil? Microsoft's business practises are no different to Apple's or any other greedy large American corporation.
 
I'm seriously debating going with a Lumia (probably the 920) instead of an iPhone 5S later this month. The tile concept seems really cool. The biggest challenge I actually face right now is vendor lock in from Apple. I just have to figure out a way to share my iCloud calendars to the Lumia.

Sharing calendars with CalDav and email with IMAP are pretty easy - trying to sync my contacts is where the problem lies :(
 
Both companies would have benefitted far more if this had happened 3 years ago.
 
I don't think this will solve anything at Nokia or Microsoft though. Nokia should have gone Android like Samsung. They not only bet on the wrong horse but they put all their bets on it. Other companies like HTC and Samsung did release Windows Phones but they didn't stop making Android phones, that was smart it's called hedging your bets.
Yes but, you are overlooking one very important fact. Some 32,000 Nokia employees now know for sure who will sign their next pay check. Its good to have parents who make over $6 billion profit per quarter. HTC hedged their bets and lost on both bets. Nokia only bet on Microsoft and won a (sad) future from Microsoft. HTC is in a very vulnerable market position and might go bankrupt or rather shrink into irrelevance any time soon. Nokia lost on independence but gained on financial power and security. While Nokias success more and more equals to the success of Windows Phone OS, HTC can still loose even when Android wins.
 
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