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Which is exactly why Apple wouldn't do that.

This is a management failure at MS not a product failure.

The iPad works because it doesn't run OSX, it's not a computer in the traditional sense. That's why a 3 year old can use it. That's why your granny can use it. It appeals to the many people who still don't use and/or understand computers. That's what MS doesn't get. The Surface is just another Windows PC rather than a tablet.

It's deeper than a management failure, it is management that is literally incapable of doing what it is being called on to do. MS is starting from scratch, they don't know what they are doing and it shows.

Their strategy with Surface is hitting a ladder of price points while they figure out how to market the tablet/computer. On the hardware front, they made a netbook/tablet, then crippled it (RT) so they could sell against the iPad.

It's design by committee with no holistic sense, like the Simpson's episode where Homer designs a car. Or more to the point, they brainstormed a list of features that made the iPad a success and then added all the stuff that was "missing." They literally do not understand why simplicity is a factor in the iPad's success.

The other big issue is that Apple gets huge discounts on scale for better parts that make the experience much faster. MS is priced out of delivering compelling hardware at a price cheaper or even equal to the iPad. Throw the design inferiority into the mix and I'd be surprised if there isn't another write-down next quarter, followed by killing the RT entirely.

I almost think MS would be better off claiming that tablets were completely dumb and dig in on "don't you want a real computer?" Stick with the Surface Pro and sell Windows 8 with touch as the only computing paradigm for the future. At least it would be something their company culture could understand.
 
Competition between corporations isn't competition anymore, it seems. To me, it seems that it's turned into a full-out war, deriding and degrading the competition, and on the odd occasion, the fans of the competition. It's also turned the fans of said corporations into scary minions. And I'm not talking about just Microsoft. To be completely honest, when it comes down to what brand you buy, it's a matter of what your taste is, not what's better, in my opinion.
 
It's difficult to pull off comparison ads like this and "I'm a PC" style ribbing without coming across as either scared or a bully. Apple's ad agency did it because in part, PC was cute and friendly, just a loser, and in part because Microsoft was so huge.

When you're already Microsoft, I don't personally think it works. Makes you look scared AND like a bully.

A big difference is that those weren't brand vs brand, PC isn't/wasn't a brand competitor. But Microsoft and Samsung are going after the Apple brand, and currently neither are able to compete against the Apple brand which includes the OS, which can only be found on Apple products, the products which only carry the OS. The App Store, the retail stores, and that touchy-freely identity those carry for the non-geek crowd.
 
Sorry I don't have time to read all 12 pages of posts but I have a simple question.

Does the Surface RT have its own version of Siri or Google Now? I didn't read about it in any reviews.

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The problem is intel - it completely screwed Windows 8 tablets out the gate.

I'm not sure the decision to go ARM, but even future win 8 tablets like the Samsung Ativ Tab 3 are running on the atom z2760 chip that many feel is vastly underpowered.

So maybe MS went to ARM because intel wasn't able to deliver and they had to. Or maybe MS went to ARM because intel didn't want to deliver and they wanted to, I'm sure this is the root of Win RT.

On the PRO, it's an awesome machine except it also has an Intel problem - the powerhungry i5. You simply can't have that low battery life on a tablet.

If MS can deliver some Haswell i3 or i5 tablets (and don't F#&K it up by killing the 1080p and Wacom), it solves a lot of problems for business, education and occasional travelers, and should fly off the shelves.

Intel didn't screw anything up. They believed their partner, MS, would have the foresight to help Intel plan their chip strategy.

Intel is dependent on MS, and MS didn't have the vision. And maybe still doesn't.

Intel make 90+% of their money selling chips to customers using MS Windows. That codependency hurts Intel more than MS.
 
The ad is slightly misleading in numerous ways, not least in how accurate Siri is suggested to be!

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they chose the iOS4 stock image for the ipad's background, tweaked in black & white, on a white ipad.

this makes the surface look more vivid, and the travelling glare in the beginning more evident.

check it out
 

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I have a 128GB Surface Pro and I actually really like it. It's fast, well made, and it works well. It doesn't, however, see anywhere even close to the usage my iPad sees. The iPad is still my go to tablet for pretty much everything.
 
they chose the iOS4 stock image for the ipad's background, tweaked in black & white, on a white ipad.

this makes the surface look more vivid, and the travelling glare in the beginning more evident.

check it out

There is no law that prevents them from doing that, it is marketing. In some respects it is the same way in which Apple presented the PC guy in the Mac vs PC ads. The Apple guy is portrayed as being trendy and cool, and the PC guy is portrayed as being a fat business man.

Otherwise the Surface really doesn't seem that bad, granted I'll never get one but either way I have never felt the need to have a tablet as laptops have become so portable anyway, and can do a whole lot more. So in some regards x86, for example the Surface Pro is were tablets should really be going.

I'm not from this trying to making out the iPad is bad, but either way I find most tablets quite useless for the kind of things I do.
 
There is no law that prevents them from doing that, it is marketing. In some respects it is the same way in which Apple presented the PC guy in the Mac vs PC ads. The Apple guy is portrayed as being trendy and cool, and the PC guy is portrayed as being a fat business man.

I never implied they shouldn't have done it, I just made the observation of the subtle marketing/directing
 
I like these Ad's. They will not make me go out and buy a Surface, but still funny.

Not sure why everybody is getting so upset about them though..., it is just an Ad. Ad's never make me buy something.
 
Showing the competition in your own advert just makes you look really desperate! Every time i see advertisers do that i feel the need to check out the other product based on the principle that it must be at least just as good otherwise they wouldn't feel the need to compare!

I've never used MS Surface, they could be great for all i know, but i don't want to go out and buy one based on this ad.

If i was in the market for an iPad, i'd just buy an iPad, if i was in the market for something else, i'd take a look at Surface, but all this ad tells me is that Surface is just a poor-mans iPad. It may be so much more than that, but that's all this advert is telling me. Pretty Lame. They need to get rid of their ad firm IMO.
 
Their tablet failed miserably and they still try to squeeze the iPad with their lies.

They are really obnoxious.
 
Haha, Microsoft still going on about a usb port. :p

They really aren't getting it. Requiring USB these days with WiFi printers, storage, keyboards, and whatnot, is usually an admission of failure, not a feature. It's 2013! There are troves of gear which release you of the old usb shackles.

I can only think of USB memory sticks and connecting cameras (Connection Kit exists for this) as good reasons. And WiFi-less cameras are already going away too.

As for USB memory sticks, Apple seems to prefer simple, direct communications and the latest WiFi technologies without using middle men to begin with. AirDrop + 802.11ac is clearly more interesting to Apple than struggling with designs to shoehorn usb ports into them.

Yes, for external, high-performance, workstation-class storage, you need better than WiFi, but that's outside of what the iPad is intended for.
 
Where is microsoft's voice assistant?

The keyboard is an accessory, and it's not cheap.

If I'm not wrong, with the camera connection kit you can connect a USB drive and see its pictures, right?

In my opinion, the problem with the surface is that Microsoft is running a desktop OS on it.

The secret of the iPad is not only what you can do it with it, it's they WAY you do it.

Also, the APPLE iPad has become and icon. It was the first tablet, and people like my grandma think that every tablet or every large touchscreen display is an iPad.
 
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Good ad actually. Here's the problem... Everyone knows it's cheaper, it has a USB port, etc, but why aren't they selling? Because they look good till you use them.
 
I wonder why they are not using their own virtual Assistant to answer to the iPad.. oh wait :rolleyes:

Anyhow, as I'm still searching for the Tablet filling my needs, yesterday I tried out a Samsung Win8 tablet at the local tech store; Long story short; it took me whole 5 seconds to make this thing totally freeze not responding to anything.. Made me realize why I switched two years ago..
 
Where is microsoft's voice assistant?

The keyboard is an accessory, and it's not cheap.

If I'm not wrong, with the camera connection kit you can connect a USB drive and see its pictures, right?

Apple ran the iCloud ad a while ago showing pictures showing up on your iPad as soon as you've taken it with your iPhone. Microsoft are years behind in their USB stick thinking and marketing.
 
Apple ran the iCloud ad a while ago showing pictures showing up on your iPad as soon as you've taken it with your iPhone. Microsoft are years behind in their USB stick thinking and marketing.

Only that cloud storage is incredibly slow

How long to throw a few gigs onto a USB from a computer and transfer to a tablet using cloud vs a thumbdrive.
 
Only that cloud storage is incredibly slow

How long to throw a few gigs onto a USB from a computer and transfer to a tablet using cloud vs a thumbdrive.

Who cares? Microsoft probably think moving several GB of data around is a valuable feature of a consumer electronics device. That's why they can't sell them. The world is bored of worrying about these things. Increasingly, files that I need on my iPad are already on there by the time I pick it up. That is the future of mobile computing. USB sticks are very very old news and won't be missed.
 
Only that cloud storage is incredibly slow

How long to throw a few gigs onto a USB from a computer and transfer to a tablet using cloud vs a thumbdrive.

There's a few different scenarios when it comes to transferring pictures - these are the various methods:

1) iDevice <---> iDevice
a) Shared Photostream. Photos are uploaded as they are taken so any older ones will already there, any new photos will take a few seconds to upload from A and download to B
b) Via a computer. Plug A in, copy photos to computer, plug B in copy photos from computer to B
c) Airdrop (Coming in iOS 7) - drag and drop photos from A to B via peer to peer Wi-Fi (No network connection needed)



2) iDevice <---> Computer
a) Shared Photostream. See above but replace B with computer
b) Plug it in via USB and copy photos across
c) Airdrop will work from iDevice <---> iDevice <---> Mac


3) Computer <---> Computer
Basically any way you want. Flickr, iCloud, Facebook, direct network, USB etc etc.

Airdrop will be the most widely used method come iOS 7 in a few months. It's a huge, huge feature that has so far been overlooked - it's extremely easy and extremely fast.

I really think any of those methods is easier and even the slowest method is not that much slower than fiddling around with USB adapters, SD cards etc.
 
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