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I'm also familiar with technology that is discovered or created or innovated and yet never reaches market. I know that MS has put a lot into the Surface, but at market (today) it's nothing new, and a hugely ho-hum product, that merely copies what Apple did, by creating a new OS that runs on a mobile device and migrating it to a bigger device. It's nothing new, it's not leading edge, it's not anything very interesting to be honest and it won't do anything more than appeal to a die-hard M$**t following.

The fact they did a bunch of research before they released this product is moot when the world has already been selling things like this for years. They are late, and very at that, and not for any reason other than their sitting on their collective cushioned and gold-plated arses for the past few years to see what the world does, just so they can copy it (oh, they did spend $8.5B on Skype!). They don't lead, ever. They were led by a (brilliant) college dropout (who never had an original ideal other than to take or buy or steal what others had already created) before, and now they're led by a communications marketing person (brilliant in his former role), but who isn't a product manager.

If you take the Surface at face value, as a standalone product, you're right. It's a decent tablet, but eh...it hasn't exactly cause my brain to leak out of my ear or anything. It's good enough, and good enough really won't cut it when it's going against the quality of the iDevices, or the huge numbers Android has behind it.

But if you look at the bigger picture, take the Surface as their consumer level device for grand, absolutely huge ecosystem built around Windows 8, you'll see it as an interesting first step into the market. Everything MS is releasing, Windows Phone, Xbox360, the Surface RT and Pro, laptops, PCs, are all knit together very tightly. Everything works together, plays well together, and is easy to jump between. It's basically what Apple is trying to do with iCloud and AppleTV, cept MS already has millions of Xboxes in homes already, millions of PCs out there, and much wider support than the iDevice/Mac specific ecosystem.

Apple might've beat MS to the mobile market, but it looks like MS is about to trump them on the ecosystem front. Once again, I can't say this will be a guaranteed victory for them, but it's a helluva lot more interesting than you're claiming.
 
Congratulations, Microsoft. I love your ad and am eager to see your new product.
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M$ steps on itself once again. Pricing offers no one but the hardest corest M$ fans (are there any left?) a reason to buy. It can't compete with either Android or iOS at this price point. Enterprise already hates Windows 8 and loves iOS. Consumers have long felt trapped by Windows until iOS presented them a post PC option. Anti-Apple folks adopted Android. Who's left to buy Surface?

this puzzles me, why M$s strategy is so "unusual" who that sh** head makes decisions.
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Congratulations, Microsoft. I love your ad and am eager to see your new product. Image

as a consumer, i am looking forward too, but can't guaranty to buy one (any tablets)
 
Cool Ad

I might be the minority, but that ad is probably one of the best ads Microsoft ever had! 'phone beta test' and 'to the cloud' ads were horrible to say the least!

It actually made me take note, and it was very well directed.

I still won't buy a surface though lol
 
Apple actually licensed their patents to Microsoft for the Surface, including their patent on embedding the keyboard into the tablet cover.

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/techflash/2012/08/microsoft-surface-will-license-apple.html
Kind of makes me wonder, with the cross-licensing of the keyboard cover patents, if we can expect to see one soon for the iPad, as well.

I, for one, think that with its increased storage compared to a comparably priced iPad, and with its improved interoperability with Office products, the Surface will push Apple to be more competitive with its tablet offerings, and I look forward to the rivalry between products and ecosystems. After all, there is no reason why Apple can't offer a single 64 GB model for the same price as the current 16 GB model; the lower model simply exists to satisfy Apple's desired starting price point and to make the higher models look like they offer more for the money.

The real question will be whether Android can continue to be competitive in the tablet market when MS and Apple bring out the big guns. I suspect that the iPad Mini will be fairly competitive comparable 7" Android tablets, and will likely have a severe impact on Android tablet sales. It remains to be seen whether Samsung and others will decide that there is still a buck to be made on the Android tablet market, or whether they will switch over to Metro instead. It will be interesting to see whether this will end up being a two horse race or a three horse race, as far as tablet operating systems go.
 
Used Windows 8, hated it. I would rather get an iPad for that price, refurbished models are $549. $50 more for a much better screen, and the whole app ecosystem.
 
Used Windows 8, hated it. I would rather get an iPad for that price, refurbished models are $549. $50 more for a much better screen, and the whole app ecosystem.

So your willing to pay more for a giant phone? Imo.

WIndows 8 blows away iOS

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Say bye bye to the pc

Yep!

Say goodbye to desktop and laptop computers that are more capable, more productive, and more powerful, and longer lasting than tablets.
 
Yes, it is. It was intended to distract from the argument I made, which is that M$**t copies, they don't innovate, and you pointed out that Apple doesn't either.

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A) no it was not intended to distract
B) MS rarely copies and no more than any other company when they have. Certainly less than Samsung. MS is one of the best innovators of the past 30 years. Not every innovation was a raging success, but saying they never innovate reveals your prejudiced argument and makes it difficult to believe you think with a clear mind.


Edit: odd how a few posts later you admit MS innovates. Like so many on here your hatred for a company causes you to contradict yourself just to prove a negative point.

And I never said Apple doesn't innovate. In fact, they do. I said a product doesn't need to be innovative to be a raging success.
 
I have read most of the heavily up-voted cynicism. It may have been said by others already but this machine does have one very significant advantage over the iPad. Microsoft office. Most business users have some use for that to allow across system synchronisation. And Windows 7 is really a decent platform these days, assuming 8 is not a complete dud, I can see some decent (10-15%) share taken up by this
 
You're comparing the gaming console market (a dying market BTW).

Dying Market? Sales have slowed, because new consoles are right around the corner ( everyone knows it, Console people tend to follow this stuff pretty closely ).

But over 100 Million Wiis Sold? 70ish Million XBOX 360s? 70 millionish PS3s? That's well over the number of iPads Apple has sold.

I'd hardly call it a dead market

The next Battle is in the living room, where Microsoft already has standing, and Apple has nothing.

Apple TV atm is a Joke, the XBOX 360 can do everything a Apple TV can do, and also play games.

The next XBOX will be a living room Media powerhouse, even more than the 360 already is.

For real Gaming, you need a console, or a high end PC to really enjoy games. ****** iOS games can't hold a candle to real games.
 
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Interesting and rather geek-centric article about Studio B, the hardware division behind the Surface. What I find particularly interesting is that they've been working on it for three years now, which would mean it's been at least in the planning stages since shortly before the iPad was first unveiled.

Though I won't be buying a Surface anytime soon, I am keeping a close eye on it to see how it fares over the next year or so. It's best positioned to be the happy medium between the high quality, but far too tightly controlled iDevices, and the spotty quality, but much more freeform Android phones and tablets.
 
What's the point of that commercial, other than to make you "feel" really good about a product they give you virtually no information regarding? No specs, no pricing, no availability, a brief comment about colours and apps on some website. This is advertising today - "buy our product so you'll feel better in life." There's nothing about what it does, what it can do, how it can help/benefit your life, other than to make you happier, which we never require them to prove. Might as well promise superhero powers if you buy their product.

This is why I never watch commercial television: the advertisements. They're catchy and fun, but they're so frigging manipulative I prefer to think for myself and decide for myself and make informed decisions not based on whether that woman in the bikini on the motorcycle comes with each purchase, or she'll be what's on offer after purchase in every woman who sees me on that bike.

Why not just do away with products entirely, give money to these corporate overlords and each time you pay they give you a drug injection that makes you feel better. At least they'd be honouring their promise they advertise in their commercials.

/steps down off soapbox

That is so very, very true.
 
One thing is for certain: However many they sell, virtually every Surface Microsoft moves will take a bite out of one of the Windows OEMs. If the Surface is successful, I can see it driving the Windows OEMs further into the arms of Google.

So? Now every tablet probably is a bite ass well, if they capture part of themarket they loose less then they do now.
 
What's the point of that commercial, other than to make you "feel" really good about a product they give you virtually no information regarding? No specs, no pricing, no availability, a brief comment about colours and apps on some website. This is advertising today - "buy our product so you'll feel better in life." There's nothing about what it does, what it can do, how it can help/benefit your life, other than to make you happier, which we never require them to prove. Might as well promise superhero powers if you buy their product.

This is how Microsoft always advertises their products, all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

This will do well in enterprise - we're crying out for USABLE Windows tablets which don't suck like the current crop - but consumers? I don't think so. Why would you?
 
You're all bashing MS like they're fooling us with indirect advertising. It's not like Apple releases bare basics down to the nuts and bolts commercials that tell you everthing you need to know about the product they're selling. Like I have yet to see an iPad ad that shows you exactly how to use the thing, and what it consists of. It's just a bunch of people smiling out in fields full of flowers, occasionally jabbing their fingers and the screen and smiling even more as the voiceover talks about how they changed everything again.

...and then a kid blows some bubbles, and a mom claps her hands as she takes a picture of it with her new iPhone. Yeah. I can see how that's so much more informative than a super fancy dance routine. Maybe a little less abstract, but...hell. It's advertising.
 
This is how Microsoft always advertises their products, all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

This will do well in enterprise - we're crying out for USABLE Windows tablets which don't suck like the current crop - but consumers? I don't think so. Why would you?
Really, kinda like how Apple advertises the iPod with abstract colors? The purpose of that specific ads was to be up-beat and high energy. They will then slowly dwell into the features-focused ads like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0m6tq8vK7E
 
Don't be so naive / ignorant. The iPod does more than just play music (even back when these commercials were relevant) and the Surface does more than click. The commercials are meant to pump you up and hit you with some branding at the end. Nothing more. It's all about mindshare.

D.

"Microsoft - yes, the one who made your dad's PC."

I'm not sure what mindshare they are going to get, Microsoft are simply not relevant to an ever growing number of people for whom "tablet" = "iPad".
 
"Microsoft - yes, the one who made your dad's PC."

Apple also made your dad's Mac. Microsoft also made your brother's Xbox, the one all his college friends are playing NBA2k13 on.

Computers aren't like clothes, man. If a new device comes out that looks nice, offers a ton of cool features, and lets you do what you want to do, then it's likely going to sell.
 
Well, Microsoft's biggest strength is its dominating power in the desktop OS market. When people start switching to Windows 8 on their desktops (which they will because from Oct 26 on, every computer will ship with one) metro apps will be all over the place.

except that most of the planet continues to use windows xp ;)
 
I know this is a Mac forum but I thought that people would be happy with the price?

Double the storage and RAM of the iPad and the ability to ACTUALLY multitask for the same price as the iPad 16gb...

Seems like a bargain if you ask me! If Windows RT is anything like Windows Phone 7.5 it will be as slick as hell. Windows Phone software blows iOS out of the water in terms of running on low power devices with fluidity.

Its not Microsoft's fault there are no apps yet, you got to start somewhere...

I know iPad has retina but I had iPad 1 and 3, and yes I noticed a difference but it made no diffidence at all to how I used it.
I was told by someone from this forums some time ago that having two apps at the same time is a "gimmick" and that it's not possible for me to view two things at the same time. Imagine video Skyping while playing a game against the other person on your tablet. Or maybe text chatting with a friend while browsing the web? I would say that's pretty darn useful.
 
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