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It's more like 2 years. Given that Android is 68% of the smartphone market compared to iPhone's 17% or so, the disparity in market share between the iPad and Android tablets is astounding.
Not really as they are 2 different markets.

Android also came later, android 3.0 only came march 2011 so thats a year and a half. By end 2009 (year and a half of smartphone OS) it had 8-10%

40% was more 2.5years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World-Wide-Smartphone-Market-Share.png


Plus, consider that half of "Android's" tablet market share is the Kindle Fire, which doesn't even have access to Google Play, and is really a different platform altogether.
Its android, the whole idea of android is its easy custimization (als called fragmentation by some)

I agree Metro app quality is there. That's why Microsoft is following the Apple approach, rather than Google's approach (or even the Windows Desktop approach) with the Windows Store.

Surface could be very compelling. I actually think the pricing is OK. Ballmer said as much a few months ago when he said that $300-$800 is the sweet spot. The most common Surface units will fall in the middle to top half of that range.

What wouldn't surprise me is if all 3 platforms co-exist (4 if you count Kindle Fire separately as I do). Kindle Fire and the iPad Mini may dominate the lower end. iPad and Surface will share the mid-range and high end. Pure Android will likely tend toward the lower end but will be present in the mid-range as well.

I see the same, MS, apple and google all are big enough to keep pushing and all have enough riding on it to make it worth there while.
 
"Microsoft - yes, the one who made your dad's PC."

I'm not sure what mindshare they are going to get, Microsoft are simply not relevant to an ever growing number of people for whom "tablet" = "iPad".

People use more then just a tablet, they use destops and laptops and 90% of those still are windows.
 
That advert is a joke right?

Well at least it made me laugh, probably not the reaction they were looking for though. Typical M$ looking like a kid just trying too hard to be cool.
 
What exactly is MS trying to do?

No matter what they introduce in the touchscreen era, they're going to be far behind Apple.

The pricing is very odd - those who don't want the Apple will get their Android tabs. And those who are willing to shell out some money will go for the iPad.
 
Retina, Retina or AMOLED

The surface looks nice, especially with a nice price. Unfortunately, apple spoiled me with the ipad retina display. Now I can't look at a non-retina display, especially a tablet, the same way now. Every thing else sucks.

This is a very important one. I have bought two new iPad (sold iPad 2 and bought one for me and one for my wife) 64 GB LTE model simply because of its impeccable display. I had to choose between Galaxy Note 10.1 & new iPad but with huge cost difference, I went for new iPad though new iPad lacks horse power (CPU) and RAM but display is really amazing!

I might consider Galaxy Note (tablet) when they change to AMOLED. TFT screen is not really great.
 
ok. then they'll have to give it away. who isn't sticking with windows 7. it's the best windows os yet!

Ever used 8? I have and its every bit as good as 7 and on some area's better.

also 33% is huge!

Not really

http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10

Mac OS X 10.6 2.06%
Mac OS X 10.7 2.05%
Mac OS X 10.8 1.41%

Lets not forget windows is a lot more spread out then OSX wich only runs on high end hardware add to that the illegals markets, third word countries, integrated systems,...

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No matter what they introduce in the touchscreen era, they're going to be far behind Apple.

The pricing is very odd - those who don't want the Apple will get their Android tabs. And those who are willing to shell out some money will go for the iPad.

This mindset always amazes me, thiose who can afford it buy apple al the rest android.

BS of course, people buy for a whole lot of reasons price is just one among those.
 
It doesn't violate Apple's patents. There is a cross-licensning deal for this technology between Apple and Microsoft. So, MS paid the piper. Which is maybe why it's so expensive? Just speculation on my part.

I do wonder if Microsoft will push the pricing model for storage down. Surface 32GB = iPad 16GB. We'll see.

It's interesting that the base Surface comes with 32 gig of storage and 2 gig. of ram.

If it's typical Microsoft, I'd guess their codebase isn't quite optimized (yet).

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No matter what they introduce in the touchscreen era, they're going to be far behind Apple.

The pricing is very odd - those who don't want the Apple will get their Android tabs. And those who are willing to shell out some money will go for the iPad.

They're pricing it like an iPad, but with lesser hardware specs.

Non-retina display & junky click keyboard? Please. Microsoft needs to sell a boatload of them, just to pay for the R&D

Instead of dancing buffoons and clicking keyboards, the commercial should have shown ways in which the Surface is superior to the iPad.

If they can't do that in 45 seconds, and are relying on a gimmick, then they're in trouble.

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If you take the Surface at face value, as a standalone product, you're right. It's a decent tablet, but eh...it hasn't exactly cause my brain to leak out of my ear or anything. It's good enough, and good enough really won't cut it when it's going against the quality of the iDevices, or the huge numbers Android has behind it.

But if you look at the bigger picture, take the Surface as their consumer level device for grand, absolutely huge ecosystem built around Windows 8, you'll see it as an interesting first step into the market. Everything MS is releasing, Windows Phone, Xbox360, the Surface RT and Pro, laptops, PCs, are all knit together very tightly. Everything works together, plays well together, and is easy to jump between. It's basically what Apple is trying to do with iCloud and AppleTV, cept MS already has millions of Xboxes in homes already, millions of PCs out there, and much wider support than the iDevice/Mac specific ecosystem.

Apple might've beat MS to the mobile market, but it looks like MS is about to trump them on the ecosystem front. Once again, I can't say this will be a guaranteed victory for them, but it's a helluva lot more interesting than you're claiming.

Except Windows RT <> Windows 8 tablet

Apple beat Microsoft to mobile, and it has made everything anyone has come out with look like a bad copy of ios.

I think Apple's got Microsoft beaten by two years on the ecosystem front - that's assuming apple stands still.

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Not the sound but the way the Smart Cover snaps on magnetically was an Apple innovation. Prior to that, Microsoft would have bundled a keyboard that would have been attached, perhaps a slider or a reversible cover.

Nonetheless, I like that MS is following Apple's lead on good design. I haven't used or bought a Microsoft product in 10 years but I would buy a Surface or a Windows 8 phone if I were to become unhappy with the future of iOS and OSX.

Except for that lame kickstand. That's bad design; if I bought the surface - I'd dremel off the kickstand.

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I would say that MS has undercut Apple by $100, a safe amount, but noticeable. They have also made enough space to drop the price, although they don't often do this. Good placement vs the leader. I'd say they are ignoring Android completely with this pricing. It's actually pretty obvious. And downright MS-like. (or Apple-like, if you prefer)

Also, see single word below. I think there are many chomping at the bit to have a real access to Office docs on a tablet. We'll see.

Except - throw the ipad mini into the mix. That pricing structure will hurt the surface.

I think we'll need to compare a Touch version of Office to Pages. I don't miss Office at all.
 
Too many variations

Microsoft has too many variations - Windows RT, Windows RT Pro, Windows 8, Windows 8 Professional, Windows 8 Home & Students.....not sure how many more variety they are going to come up with. These versions have lots of conflict with the hardware that they are planning to make (RT will not be backward compatible while Pro is and so on....)

Besides, there is no 3G/LTE App Store needs to pick up...

I am sure Apple is banking on its MS Office 2013 which is probably the only differentiating factor.
 
This is how Microsoft always advertises their products, all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

This will do well in enterprise - we're crying out for USABLE Windows tablets which don't suck like the current crop - but consumers? I don't think so. Why would you?

I think it's quite the opposite. There are not many business scenarios where tablet computers make ANY sense - electronic data capture, for example in clinical trials, are an area where tablets can do great. But where else can they replace a notebook?

The Surface is a hybrid solution, and THAT makes sense. You can use it like a pure tablet if you WANT to, but you can ALSO use it as a real notebook - if you WANT to.

This thing can do a lot for most consumers that not always need a "real" computer but also do not want to spend the money on two devices because once in a while they do need to use some software that requires a "real" computer and not just a couch surfboard.

And the "Pro" version of the Surface runs the "real" thing and is compatible to millions of legacy applications. The "RT" requires software that is compatible to the ARM architecture, but it's safe to assume that we will soon drown in that software. Even though it's a different CPU, it's still Windows running on top of it. Porting should be rather straight forward. And unlike what most people seem to believe, the "RT" version is NOT limited to just Windows 8-style (formerly known as "Metro") apps.

The Surface does not have a Retina display. So what? The iPad 2 is still being sold and it does not have a Retina display either. In all likelihood, the iPad Mini will also come with a non-Retina display. Obviously even Apple knows that Retina displays are not a killer argument.

I think the Surface is an interesting product for millions of consumers, and I think the Surface concept is going to steal away a lot of potential iPad customers. Unlike the iPad, the Surface actually CAN replace a computer. And unlike Apple, Microsoft licenses their software to the remaining industry, so there will be hundreds of different products from many vendors that will all be software compatible with each other.

Personally, I would certainly chose a "Pro" Surface (the forthcoming version with the Intel CPU) over an iPad, even if it's going to be more expensive. And even if I had to chose between and iPad and an "RT" Surface, I'd still go for the Surface. iOS will always be the deal breaker for me.

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Microsoft has too many variations - Windows RT, Windows RT Pro, Windows 8, Windows 8 Professional, Windows 8 Home & Students.....not sure how many more variety they are going to come up with. These versions have lots of conflict with the hardware that they are planning to make (RT will not be backward compatible while Pro is and so on....)

Besides, there is no 3G/LTE App Store needs to pick up...

I am sure Apple is banking on its MS Office 2013 which is probably the only differentiating factor.


It's actually rather simple:

Windows RT --> ARM architecture, third party software is only available through Microsoft's online store

Windows 8 --> Intel architecture, no Domain features (== "home" edition), software is available through all channels

Windows 8 Pro --> Intel architecture, Domain features and enterprise ready (this is the version that you want to use in a corporate network), software is available through all channels

At this point, other versions are basically irrelevant or can only be purchased through enterprise volume license agreements - which means that as a consumer you won't even see those versions in a store and thus they cannot confuse anybody.

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No matter what they introduce in the touchscreen era, they're going to be far behind Apple.

The pricing is very odd - those who don't want the Apple will get their Android tabs. And those who are willing to shell out some money will go for the iPad.

And those who do not want to buy a notebook AND a tablet will simply buy ONE device: The Surface. THAT is what Microsoft is trying to do.
 
Looks like preorders is high enough that shipping dates are slipping to the 2-3 week range. I'm a bit surprise given the high price but that is good news for MS.
 
Looks like preorders is high enough that shipping dates are slipping to the 2-3 week range. I'm a bit surprise given the high price but that is good news for MS.

For the $499 model without touch cover. I wonder if people are choosing that model so they can get a different color or the type cover, or if they think $100-$130 is too much to fork over for the accessory.
 
Price on Keyboard No Biggie

Just saying...I paid $69.00 for my leather Apple Smart Cover, and it is only a cover. I'm not interested in the Surface tablet. I'd upgrade my iPad2 to a 3 or and add a third part BT keyboard if I really wanted a keyboard.
 
This is a very important one. I have bought two new iPad (sold iPad 2 and bought one for me and one for my wife) 64 GB LTE model simply because of its impeccable display. I had to choose between Galaxy Note 10.1 & new iPad but with huge cost difference, I went for new iPad though new iPad lacks horse power (CPU) and RAM but display is really amazing!

I might consider Galaxy Note (tablet) when they change to AMOLED. TFT screen is not really great.

I've seen that the new iPads screen is way better than the notes. My dad owns one, and I was able to compare side by side. And why exactly isn't TFT really that great? Amoled is over saturated with unreal colours, and doesn't have as good of viewing angles as IPS. The only thing good is the contrast. Which probably explains why the android UI is so dark and lonely in mobile phones.
 
Not really as they are 2 different markets.

Android also came later, android 3.0 only came march 2011 so thats a year and a half. By end 2009 (year and a half of smartphone OS) it had 8-10%

40% was more 2.5years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World-Wide-Smartphone-Market-Share.png

By that logic, we should compare iPhone's market share as of December 2008 (about 13%, well behind Symbian and RIM) to iOS' share of the tablet market in mid 2011 (about 80%).


Its android, the whole idea of android is its easy custimization (als called fragmentation by some)

No, what Amazon did isn't "customization." It's called "forking." They didn't merely put a skin on it like Samsung does with Touchwiz. They removed critical components and replaced them with their own. Google doesn't get any search revenue from the Kindle Fire, nor does the Kindle Fire support Google Play. Most Android apps can be run on a Kindle Fire but it takes tinkering to get them on there in the first place. But since they open sourced the OS there's nothing they can do about it. Nevertheless, Google is actively competing against the Kindle Fire with the Nexus 7, which is far different from their strategy with the Nexus phone lines.
 
Has anyone here actually seen the Surface and used/tried it in person? All the Microsoft hate is crazy.
 
This is a very important one. I have bought two new iPad (sold iPad 2 and bought one for me and one for my wife) 64 GB LTE model simply because of its impeccable display. I had to choose between Galaxy Note 10.1 & new iPad but with huge cost difference, I went for new iPad though new iPad lacks horse power (CPU) and RAM but display is really amazing!

I might consider Galaxy Note (tablet) when they change to AMOLED. TFT screen is not really great.

I'm curious what makes you think the new iPad lacks in CPU and RAM? Are you trying to make a direct comparison of numbers between systems running different OSs and different CPUs? That just doesn't work, apples and oranges. The new iPad performs wonderfully with the CPU and RAM it has.
 
Except there was nothing like the iPhone available in the smartphone market at the time. The Surface is just an iPad clone at this point. The only thing interesting about the Surface is the Metro interface and maybe the keyboard smart cover.

There is promise in the Windows RT ecosystem, though. Microsoft will be pushing Metro hard. I read (at Ars Technica, I believe) that Desktop is to Windows 8 what DOS 5.0 was to Windows 3.0. Clearly it will be around for a while longer, but it won't be getting any more significant updates. Microsoft wants all future development to be focused on the Metro interface.

If developers go along with it and port their best applications from Windows Desktop to Metro, the ARM-based Surface and similar WinRT devices could become legitimate notebook replacements. That's a big if right now, though. Microsoft including Office with the Surface is a big boost in itself, though it would be better if it were the full edition and not the Home and Student edition.
 
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