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Inductance charging works fine for products that don't need a lot of juice quickly. It's essentially a trickle charger. If you'd like to wait days, not hours for your laptop to charge then inductance is for you. Plus, the charging field would probably wreak havoc on your wireless and on the computer itself.

Make the laptop consume less power?

Anyhow, if in all practicality I just need 1 audio out and Magsafe, how would I have to justify buying a dock?

That's 2 wires. Mouse uses bluetooth....

(and occasionally plugging in a ExtHDD for TM, that's 3 wires in total.)
 
Wireless video? it's not that hard if you can get the protocols and whatever figured out. The fact that people can vnc means that we have the bandwidth to do so.

Protocols and whatever? I can (and could) vnc/etc a screen over wireless for many many years, but it's hardly the same as plugging a cable in - bandwidth is the issue.

Maybe you could wiki the bandwidth used by your average monitor, like a nerd - and then try and figure out why the wireless connections in all these consumer devices still struggle to provide the throughput and nothing like the latency of an ancient cabled standard.
 
Make the laptop consume less power?

Anyhow, if in all practicality I just need 1 audio out and Magsafe, how would I have to justify buying a dock?

That's 2 wires. Mouse uses bluetooth....

(and occasionally plugging in a ExtHDD for TM, that's 3 wires in total.)
And an external monitor? That's 4 wires.

Look, if you don't need it then fine. But what's with you guys always chiming in if you don't need something? It's in every thread like Blu-ray, MMS, etc. Do you think that perhaps others might need it? If I'm carrying my MBP between work and home I don't want to be constatly plugging wires. If I'm taking my MBP from my desk to various meetings all day at work I don't want to be constantly plugging wires. Does that make sense?
 
Protocols and whatever? I can (and could) vnc/etc a screen over wireless for many many years, but it's hardly the same as plugging a cable in - bandwidth is the issue.

Maybe you could wiki the bandwidth used by your average monitor, like a nerd - and then try and figure out why the wireless connections in all these consumer devices still struggle to provide the throughput and nothing like the latency of an ancient cabled standard.

Maybe you're confusing latency with bandwidth?

802.11n has a throughput of 130Mbits/s and max bitrate of 600Mbits/s.

(*figures are up to, and yes it will never reach that amount. But if you can get it to work efficiently enough you might be able to pull it off..)
 
And an external monitor? That's 4 wires.

Look, if you don't need it then fine. But what's with you guys always chiming in if you don't need something? It's in every thread like Blu-ray, MMS, etc. Do you think that perhaps others might need it? If I'm carrying my MBP between work and home I don't want to be constatly plugging wires. If I'm taking my MBP from my desk to various meetings all day at work I don't want to be constantly plugging wires. Does that make sense?

Then a dock will work for you. But the avg consumer may not have so many peripherals that they will absolutely need to plug in every time they move their laptop around.

(Just because we're Mac users doesn't mean we're not price conscious. We have to justify whatever we buy)

As for the lack of docks for Apple's laptops—give it some time. They'll come soon enough.

While you're waiting, you might like to take a look at that link about Apple's old patent...

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2008/01/apple_docking_patent_works_per.html

___ btw if there's that much of a market they would've made it anyway...
 
Maybe you're confusing latency with bandwidth?

802.11n has a throughput of 130Mbits/s and max bitrate of 600Mbits/s.

(*figures are up to, and yes it will never reach that amount. But if you can get it to work efficiently enough you might be able to pull it off..)

I get 90MB/s off a single disk on a machine on my network, including the protocol and filesystem overhead and the limitation of the disk itself - I'd like to see a wireless network that quick.
On an ideal/theoretical system, the latency is still exponentially more too - which strangely starts to become an issue if you're used to looking at an image refreshing a hundred times a second.

I use freenx daily, nx/vnc/rdp don't work well for so many things and like I said previously, are hardly a substitute for plugging in a length of cheap copper cable and expecting 'normal use'.
 
I get 90MB/s off a single disk on a machine on my network, including the protocol and filesystem overhead and the limitation of the disk itself - I'd like to see a wireless network that quick.
On an ideal/theoretical system, the latency is still exponentially more too - which strangely starts to become an issue if you're used to looking at an image refreshing a hundred times a second.

I use freenx daily, nx/vnc/rdp don't work well for so many things and like I said previously, are hardly a substitute for plugging in a length of cheap copper cable and expecting 'normal use'.

Maybe in 5 years it'll be entirely different...

(5 years ago wifi is still in it's early stages of mainstream use...—802.11g introduced 2003)
 
Maybe in 5 years it'll be entirely different...

(5 years ago wifi is still in it's early stages of mainstream use...—802.11g introduced 2003)

Yeah, and real world wireless throughout has only just caught up with wired networks that were commonplace how many years ago? :) How are they going to deal with interference/etc and consequences like latency etcetc? Ok to buffer these things for some uses, not for others (and certainly not for the simple idea of a 'wireless video connection').
There's a lot of bandwidth on a scrap bit of coax, there's a lot of bandwidth on an hdmi cable, there's not so much on the 'latest wireless standards'.
I've got a fair amount of bandwidth on my network, use the most efficient protocols and still can't watch a video over a repeated screen.
 
What's wrong with an SDXC slot that will be convenient and adequate for 80% or so of the users?

Other than it doesn't effectively exist yet? Nothing, per se.

Whereas Optical just has essentially just had HD-DVD versus Blu-Ray battle with a declared winner & loser, the standards battle in Flash Media has been long and it remains unresolved. That's why there's "24 in 1" readers for sale on the marketplace.

And sure, while the SD family is doing well today, the 'standards problem' is that xD and Memory Stick still haven't been killed off even in P&S cameras, so there's no signs yet that that "24 in 1" can be figuratively superseded with a "22 in 1".

The danger is that if the SD Consortium decides to profit more from their current marketplace success by increasing their licensing fees, the camera makers can respond (and fairly quickly) by shifting gears to use one of the competing media formats. Its an example of where competition is both good and bad: it keeps one dimension of prices down, but at the cost of long term stability through adopted standards.

The broader issue here is that none of the Flash Media formats are an open standard that anyone can use without having to pay license fees, although IIRC, Compact Flash (CF) comes closest.


-hh
 
Do you think a ghetto solution like this with plugs sticking out (and will obviously have alignment issues) is a proper dock? Seriously, why even mention this?

Because PC docks also suck.

The bottom line is that the 'connector on the bottom' dock looks good in theory, but they still remain pretty klunky in real world use. And I've yet to see one that's "Hot Swappable".

Who cares? They don't have a dock. End of story.

The point is that they're trying...which should be important to those who demand having a dock (ie, you). Since I don't have a compelling need for a dock at home, its merely an exercise in technology monitoring.

Have you tried every dock for every PC? There is nothing clunky about the one I use for my Dell M6300. Haven't had a problem. Ever. And neither have my coworkers.

And you have? At least we have that Dell dock design in our office, as well as others, and that I personally have a decade's worth of real world (business) hands-on pragmatic use. In general, the Thinkpads are our most preferred laptops: their docks are less bad and the hardware doesn't get beaten up as much from frequent travel.

If you know of a better mousetrap, we'll consider buying a handful of them to try. Unfortunately, that Dell is already in the "Tried It" block. The biggest design shortcoming with the Dell design is in the UI for how the human has to try to eyeball his way in to find the connector. Those that have a backstop tend to help out with one of the alignment dimensions, although there's caveats with this when a larger capacity battery is affixed.


You're crazy if you think wireless video and power will go mainstream for laptops in the next 5 years.

With the proliferation of cheap netbooks and the like on the laptop market, its certainly not going to be mainstream.

However, that doesn't mean that it won't be utterly absent, either.

Afterall, wireless inductive power transmission has already been around for years, plus cellphone recharging tech has been demonstrated. And for wireless HD video, all you effectively need is a television ATSC (or ATSC-like) implementation.

And if you do your homework, you'll also realize that since you don't need much transmission power to cross a few meters, it can use solid state components. Now all you have to do is to go do a tad more homework to find out what SS technology already exists at what RF frequencies that would be useful for this application.


Meanwhile, you've got nothing right now.

If a dock for a laptop was that profound to my needs, I'd simply switch operating systems and put in another Thinkpad and dock.

No, you will not have to connect an audio wire nor USB. The dock I'm using right now has provision for audio out and USB. You hook it up once, just like your video, keyboard, mouse, etc. and you never have to do it again.

FYI, another interesting intellectual exercise is to see how much can all be currently done over a single Ethernet connection...even to include power...with currently available - - but simply not integrated - - off-the-shelf technologies. YMMV as to how outrageously far-fetched either thus is.


-hh

PS: Wireless USB is also an alternative that exists today...current implimentations of the 1.0 specification just isn't quite up to streaming HD video, but they claim that v1.1 is soon come.
 
Maybe, but watching them both you'll see that it really is an Apple vs. HP hardware ad. The only other computers they ever show the actors touching are HPs.

I rmb that the in the first ad, she said she liked a keyboard on a Dell...

I don't understand why you are all saying that Microsoft doesn't make the hardware. Of course they don't.

But when HP sells a laptop, Microsoft also gets a sale of their OS. I'd bet that a huge portion of Microsoft's income from its OSs comes from them being sold pre-loaded on machines in this way, rather than in a box on their own.

Does anyone know what model the computer was that he eventually bought?

You, of all people should know.

Microsoft signs a contract that says that HP can sell hardware with Windows on it. Then it's up to HP to sell the computers. How much Microsoft earns is independent to whatever number of computers HP sells—i.e. Microsoft does not get "a sale", but rather, just lets the hardware manufacturers to sell whatever number of computers they want with Windows preloaded when they paid a large amount of money.
 
more dribble

If you are too stupid to know the difference between "drivel" and "dribble," your opinion is not worth much. Also, if you are incapable of refuting the facts that I presented, don't post. You're wasting bandwidth and people's time.
 
but I think people underestimate Msft. When vista cane out it was lame and fir years they had to support win so, 98, 2003 server, me, and vista drivers. Now win 7 looks srtong and only one os to write drivers for. I do NOT think they will make the same mistake twice. In fact, they are using marketing that seems to work.

They can't insure the quality and reliability of the drivers if they are not writing them. Some of the drivers will be top-notch and others will be written by people who are, frankly, not that good at it.

I have no doubt that their marketing is solid. What I'm concerned about is their engineering and product design.

Microsoft still isn't "getting it." They have a plethora of confusing versions (Home, Business, Ultimate, 32 bit, 64 bit, etc.). They continue to bloat-out the OS while ignoring more important issues related to stability, speed, and memory footprint. Look at Snow Leopard: It's not slated to add a bunch of new features. Instead, it's designed to be faster and smaller. The changes that they are making at the UI level are subtle and well-considered. With Windows, Microsoft can't seem to settle on a UI. Every version seems to look rather drastically different than the last.

And they still lack basic features that OS X users enjoy (Time Machine equivalent, a Migration Assistant type of application that moves programs, settings, and user files, the ability to reinstall the OS without having to reinstall all of your applications). Yet they still continue with the "registry" despite the fact that it is a dismal failure, both conceptually and in practice.

There's a reason why, after using Windows since the Windows 286 days, I decided to switch to Mac within the last year.
 
I thought it looked like it had a number pad in the ad, and I was right. Wow, he wanted portability and went for a 16" laptop? Interesting.

But really, that looks like great value for money. It's $1099, which is $100 cheaper than a regular MacBook. It comes with vastly superior graphics (which match the second level MacBook Pro :eek:), faster processor, double the RAM, 3x the hard drive space, larger, higher resolution display...

And it has FIREWIRE, unlike the MacBook. This dude got a good deal.

Plus they get to buy an anti virus program, then they can renew every year, and they get to use VISTA!!!! What a deal, ok being a little sarcastic.
 
Anything that can't play, author, and burn blu-ray is every bit past its sell-by date as Steve Jobs is, and a piece of crap as well, and I don't care who makes it.

:apple:
 
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