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Metro games will probably run worse than on a Windows RT device, due to the higher demands of the real Windows 8 running on the device and the crappy GPU in the ATOM chip.

Metro games will probably run better, as they're specced to run on the lowest common denominator, which in this case would be ARM chips. Atom SOCs are slightly ahead of ARM in terms of performance.
 
Surface Pro w/keyboard and Core i5 CPU, 4GB RAM, microSD, USB3, 64GB SSD = $1100
iPad with w/cover and A6 SoC, 1GB RAM, 16GB Flash, Lightning port, and nothing else = $550

Not saying Surface Pro is cheap, but you compare it wrong. Add those features on the iPad and see how much that thing would cost?

:not so confused:


iPad 300,000 apps. Win8 50,000 apps

:confused again:
 
Metro games will probably run better, as they're specced to run on the lowest common denominator, which in this case would be ARM chips. Atom SOCs are slightly ahead of ARM in terms of performance.

The CPU in the Intel Atom is faster than the CPU of a Tegra 3, BUT - the GPU sucks in comparison to the one in the Tegra 3.

And the GPU of the Tegra 3 sucks in comparison to the one in the iPad 2 and every device that followed.

Like it has been with withe Motorola Razr i, the Android phone with an Intel Atom SoC.

CPU performance was a lot better than that of other phones, but the graphics performance really sucked.
 
Surface Pro w/keyboard and Core i5 CPU, 4GB RAM, microSD, USB3, 64GB SSD = $1100
iPad with w/cover and A6 SoC, 1GB RAM, 16GB Flash, Lightning port, and nothing else = $550

Not saying Surface Pro is cheap, but you compare it wrong. Add those features on the iPad and see how much that thing would cost?

:not so confused:

Surface Pro dimensions - 10.81 x 6.81 x 0.53in + 0.128 in (keyboard) -1100$$$
MacBook Air 11, i5 4Gb, SSD 64 GB, aluminium body, can run win xp, 7 etc. (already with keyboard) dimensions - 11.8 x 7.56 x 0.68in - 1000$$$

You just can't compare it to iPad coz surface is a hybrid of a tablet and ultrabook. Apple doesn't do hybrids, only pure products :apple:
 
Again… M$ doesn't evolve… Another style PC but with touch capacitive… That's not evolution.
Real Multitasking on a tablet will suck the battery faster.
M$ will always try to put a desktop PC environment on everything, and that sucks too much. They don't have the design knowledge.
 
windows 8 vs ios

Well, though i posess an ipad 3, i would prefer a windows tab for using office and as i have been habituated using windows.Gaming and using other apps is wonderful on ios though. Apple's ios is extremely compact . It has not given the common and essential BLUEETOOTH sharing feature to its devices. I hope IOs 7 will give a good fight to the other operating systems. GOD Bless APPLE INC.
 
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Regardless, you can still run desktop applications on the tablet which ends up being waaaaay more than 300,000. Yes, you can still do it on Windows RT.

Not natively, and even if you do run an x86 emulator/wrapper on the RT, you're going to get poor performance compared to the Pro or x86 tablet equivelents like the one in this ad.
Microsoft will not get any money from me anymore though. Played that game for far too long.
 
like it

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:not so confused:
Surface Pro dimensions - 10.81 x 6.81 x 0.53in + 0.128 in (keyboard) -1100$$$
MacBook Air 11, i5 4Gb, SSD 64 GB, aluminium body, can run win xp, 7 etc. (already with keyboard) dimensions - 11.8 x 7.56 x 0.68in - 1000$$$

You just can't compare it to iPad coz surface is a hybrid of a tablet and ultrabook. Apple doesn't do hybrids, only pure products



Ilike your comment very much
 
Microsoft rt and pro laptops are without a keyboard. They are too small to be a laptop and too big to be a tablet. Microsoft just does not get it. Last thing I want on my tablet is malware!!!
 
"Mismanaged" is an understatement. Remember, the guy in charge of Windows 8 development was fired shortly after its release.

The guy in charge of Apple Maps (and iOS) was also fired shortly after its disastrous release...
 
The iPad does run OSX.

The only thing missing is AppKit - the set of common controls like NSButton, NSWindow, etc. Those things make no sense on a touch device.

Apple could easily port AppKit to iOS, if it were very much in demand. It's not; in fact the opposite is true - Mac developers have been begging Apple to bring some of UIKit's more modern controls and design patterns over to the Mac.

The reason a few people still go on about iOS being a "mobile OS" is because they find they can't seem to do anything that would traditionally be classified as "work" on them (e.g. writing a report).

That's nothing to do with iOS itself - as iWork demonstrates, it is perfectly possible to build a full-featured editing suite using the available tools on iOS. The reason iWork still sucks is because those kinds of tasks are just fundamentally weak points of a touch device. It's not because developers are missing some section of the operating system that makes writing reports possible.

That's why Android hasn't filled that void for writing documents on tablets (or even phones); even with the slickest swype keyboard you wouldn't be doing 'work' primarily from an Android device.

The only thing Windows 8 has going for it is the Surface's very portable and easily attachable keyboard (and even then, that's a device feature not an ecosystem feature). Even then, the reviews for that keyboard seem to be that it's just 'okay'.

You know you can attach a keyboard to an iPad, also, people have been using iPad as their only computer for work for at lease two years now and using Office. The only reason you can't install Office on the iPad and not use it through remote desktop is because MS hasn't made it yet. Also, there are several apps that allow you to create Word docs on the iPad without using remote desktop, but the issue is you can't do any fancy layout, but you can create a report with them without issue.

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iWorks sucks. I got it on my iPad and it isn't fully compatible with the OS X version. So how can I work on a document on my iPad and Mac? :mad:

If you have Office on your Mac, then try Quickoffice Connect Mobile Suite for iPad...

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Apple iPad-60-70% of the tablet market
Androids-20-30%

Who would you go after???

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Samsung, HTC, google, Microsoft and now they are fighting with the Government of the USA

First they are not fight with the US Gov, second which one of those companies sued first...
 
I use Excel for Mac all the time at work and IMHO it's a great app for desktops and laptops. From personal experience, I found it frustrating/awkward at times using Excel on a tablet without a physical keyboard and mouse. If you're going to be more comfortable with a keyboard and mouse then might as well get a laptop or desktop.

That aside, the ad was funny at the end. Personally I feel iOS and the iPad are more intuitive when it comes to touch based apps and the quality of apps out there for iOS simply outweighs any benefits that Windows 8 tablets may offer.
 
iWorks sucks. I got it on my iPad and it isn't fully compatible with the OS X version. So how can I work on a document on my iPad and Mac? :mad:

You're right, because there isn't 100% feature parity, there is no way you can work on a document on your iPad and Mac. :rolleyes:
 
Microsoft just does not get it...

Like when Balmer did not understand the iPhone when it came out, MS still does not understand the tablet (despite doing Tablet PC for more then 10 year, what success so far...).

People do not use their computer privately for work all the time. Most stuff we do on our private computers is consume media (that includes documents, newspapers etc.) and games as well as comunicate. In that the iPad is great and the success proves Apple right.

MS just does not get it and trys its old failed concepts over and over again.
 
the ad is kinda funny watching it on mute lol especially the part with the moving metro UI followed by the frozen icon grid view of the ipad

i wish apple would "rethink" the whole hybrid concept of Dell etc. id love to be able to use OS X for work related things and once you rotate and flip over the screen, iOS takes over. maybe even make the screen detachable to turn it into a full blown ipad
 
I'll be getting my first iPad soon, despite the faults.

But I love the video!

Maybe iOS7 will bring us multi-tasking :)
 
Pretty unbelievable how all these inferior, wannabe companies start bashing Apple via public ads, like a bullying gangup, shortly after Steve dies. They ought to be ashamed.

Apple gets so much free press, it's no wonder they don't need to spend as much marketing as the others. All these idiot competitors don't even need to come up with a good and clever ad, they can just "bash Apple".

America, wake up, you have the most successful, inspirational and game changing company in history as one of your own, and you're trying to "take it down" via jealous, envious mean-spirited bullying.

Errm.. This is just an ad and not the opinion of the us majority..
Anyway, Apple's decade is over and the definitely lose ground these days.
As the others Apple is just a company with ups and downs.
 
Like when Balmer did not understand the iPhone when it came out, MS still does not understand the tablet (despite doing Tablet PC for more then 10 year, what success so far...).

People do not use their computer privately for work all the time. Most stuff we do on our private computers is consume media (that includes documents, newspapers etc.) and games as well as comunicate. In that the iPad is great and the success proves Apple right.

MS just does not get it and trys its old failed concepts over and over again.

What don't they get? You never said.
 
Yes. People miss the point when they say that tablets will eventually overtake the laptop. It is simply not true in upcoming years. All the things professionals need is already handled beautifully on a laptop. They are getting thinner as well so portability is not an issue.

So you want to edit docs? Oh your in a crowded bus or train can't pull out the old tablet and get the nice keyboard out. Try to type efficiently on a 10 inch tablet.

But it has multitasking!
Ok. That's cool. But why need multitasking? Getting info from one source and editing a doc? Ok well that's amazing but again when you will actually need to multitask you will need to sit. When already sitting down you can just place a laptop on a table.

Other than that I use multitasking on my laptop for coding... I'm not gonna program long code on a tablet, sorry.

Any other professional uses that aren't artistic? Since even this commercial admits the iPad excels at it. Even then it can be handled on a laptop much, much better. Thus tablets are for quick editing not long sessions of creativity.

Having said that. Funny commercial, haha.

Are you kidding?? I'm retired from IT management. I regularly had massive documents prepared for multimillion dollar projects. Those docs consisted of Excel spreadsheets with all the cost/manpower/etc data. I embedded links into a Word doc that explained the entire project. (You must have embedded links so if something changes you don't have to go find the reference in the do and make the change twice), and then there would be a PowerPoint that was used for presentations. Once the project is underway, you add in project data, mock-ups, requirements, etc. all linked back to the spreadsheet so you can determine rest costs.

Doing this takes having at least two windows open at the same time. Otherwise it takes forever and you are open to making mistakes (ie bad links/data). That is a big no-no and can cost you your job.

And this scenario applies to just about every business that does major documentation (financial docs, ect).

All of this can easily be done on any win8 tablet running the full OS.

Your ideas of how the world works and the types of documentation created seems very limited.
 
Maybe you should actually read a comment before correcting it.

My comment is correct since I actually stated that it is NOT an RT device, which is why it doesn't have built in Office RT! Of course it runs x86, since I said it runs Windows 8, Not RT.

Geez man, how can you actually quote someone, yell "Wrong.", and then restate the same thing they stated in the quote you used, all the while accusing them of spreading incorrect information. That takes some incredibly ironic lack of reading skills and tact.

Hey bud apologies for misinterpreting your post. My wife says I lack tact and you have emphatically proven her right. You and I were stating the same fact. Again, apologies. Maybe I jumped the gun and started typing before fully grasping what you meant. But help me. Re-read what you wrote:

Originally Posted by bgillander
The article is incorrect in that the Vivotab Smart is not Windows RT

Please keep in mind my aforementioned lack reading skills, but that 'not' before Windows RT means the opposite of what you meant to say. I probably just put my foot in my mouth again. More apologies in advance. Maybe I would have understood better if your quote didn't have that 'not':

"The article is incorrect in that the Vivotab Smart is Windows RT"

Again sorry.
 
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