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"A contraption that can do anything and everything, but nothing particularly well, is better than a focused and restrained device like an ipad". Got it.
 
America, wake up, you have the most successful, inspirational and game changing company in history as one of your own, and you're trying to "take it down" via jealous, envious mean-spirited bullying.

America or Microsoft? It's called advertising, and Microsoft's ad is actually NOT exceptionally misleading and full of BS like their ads normally are.

Besides, nobody buys that junk. Get over it.
 
Wrong target. Microsoft would do better by going after Android tablets. There's a certain percentage of the population who won't buy anything Apple. Android has a virtual monopoly on that now. Apple customers, by contrast, tend to be loyal.

Microsoft isn't in the position to do so. It's a software company. Also, I agree about the population that avoids Apple. They're the people who get mad at you for using Apple devices rather than the people who just mind their own business and use mostly non-Apple products.
 
While Apple has had innovation, they still did the Mac vs. PC ads. I thought the ad was nice but in the end the better product will prevail. Let's see.

No, Android is just going to continue to kill Microsoft's tablet business while the other fraction uses the iPad. There are the cheap, add-every-feature, flexible OSs and the uniform, walled garden OSs. Microsoft is the third group, like Linux in the PC world. And then there's Blackberry against Apple for their side of the market, but nobody buys Blackberry anymore.
 
Seems to me the average consumer will see this ad and think how cool it is they can play the piano on their iPad. People want to do fun things on their tablet not edit PowerPoint documents.

Absolutely! The last I want to do on a tablet is use Power Point. And for musicians, iOS is definitely the way to go. There is so much amazing music creation software on the App Store...
 
It can't be both without sucking. The iPad does everything a non-advanced user could need. The Surface is more of a regular laptop that is made obsolete by already-existing laptops. Really all MS is doing is responding to the whole BS "PCs are dead" thing that's been hurting their stock.

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The business community can just use laptops, and they do. Why would they need a touch screen laptop instead of a regular one? I don't care what comes out; iWork and Office will work on my MacBook.

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Shilling as usual, I see.

Yes. People miss the point when they say that tablets will eventually overtake the laptop. It is simply not true in upcoming years. All the things professionals need is already handled beautifully on a laptop. They are getting thinner as well so portability is not an issue.

So you want to edit docs? Oh your in a crowded bus or train can't pull out the old tablet and get the nice keyboard out. Try to type efficiently on a 10 inch tablet.

But it has multitasking!
Ok. That's cool. But why need multitasking? Getting info from one source and editing a doc? Ok well that's amazing but again when you will actually need to multitask you will need to sit. When already sitting down you can just place a laptop on a table.

Other than that I use multitasking on my laptop for coding... I'm not gonna program long code on a tablet, sorry.

Any other professional uses that aren't artistic? Since even this commercial admits the iPad excels at it. Even then it can be handled on a laptop much, much better. Thus tablets are for quick editing not long sessions of creativity.

Having said that. Funny commercial, haha.
 
It can't be both without sucking. The iPad does everything a non-advanced user could need. The Surface is more of a regular laptop that is made obsolete by already-existing laptops. Really all MS is doing is responding to the whole BS "PCs are dead" thing that's been hurting their stock.

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The business community can just use laptops, and they do. Why would they need a touch screen laptop instead of a regular one? I don't care what comes out; iWork and Office will work on my MacBook.

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The business community can use smoke signals or sign language if they choose to do so. It's irrelevant as it relates to the topic of my post. That's not the point I was making. My comment directly related to the target of the ad: The ad is targeted to the business community, not the general consuming public. As I stated earlier, whether businesses buy it or not will only be determined over time.
 
It's the same story on iOS. Pages on iOS has everything necessary, and Numbers sucks. Have you actually tried the iOS Pages and found things that people would need that it doesn't have?

Yeah I bought almost every first party app available for my iPad 1 including all 3 iWork apps. I used Pages to proofread my girlfriend's grad school papers for a year for lack of anything better on my iPad. I now refer to it as 10 Dollar Wordpad.

And I'm an engineer, back then all I wanted was a word processor with a built-in equation editor but none existed. Last I checked a standalone app existed to create equations, which I would then have to go through a bunch of import export steps to get it into 10 Dollar Wordpad.

And you wonder why people don't consider the iPad a productivity device
 
I'm an Apple fanboy and have never been a big fan of the iPad. I go from my iPhone to my 11" MacBook Air. If you want to be more productive with your tablet that you want to be more like a laptop then why not just use a laptop? (PC, Mac, Linux, Chrome OS, whatever) If you are truly serious about using a device for business, music, design, whatever then why mess with a tablet in the first place?

I think the demographic Microsoft is looking for is a small minority. People mainly want a tablet for entertainment. It urks me that Apple is adding iOS elements to Mac OS. If I wanted an iPad then I would use an iPad. I guess someday there will be some hybrid system that combines both worlds well but I think it's still a long way off.

It's good to see Microsoft being ambitious and innovative with their metro interface but it isn't intuitive to also throw it on top of non touch systems with Windows 8. Their biggest customer base is PC and they've managed to piss off the majority of them because of this.
This is a shame because it will probably turn off a lot of them from wanting to try Windows 8 on a touch device where the metro interface works well. At least Apple hasn't gone this extreme with Mac OS (at least not yet anyway). I guess I'm part old school and new school and like keeping both worlds separate.
 
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It can't be both without sucking. The iPad does everything a non-advanced user could need. The Surface is more of a regular laptop that is made obsolete by already-existing laptops. Really all MS is doing is responding to the whole BS "PCs are dead" thing that's been hurting their stock.

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says who? the maker of iPads? lol.
Things advance and consolidate. Dumb phones were fine, and so were PDAs. Dumb phones did everything a non-advanced user could ever need. But at some point, they still converged and created smartphones. and iPhone doesn't suck.
that is the trend that we're seeing. Fact: PC market is receding and tablets are increasing in popularity. Eventually, one will eat the otehr and they will converge.
Hence, there is a need for tablets to replace the capabilities lost by users as they move away from PCs and towards iPads and tablets. Right now, the iPad isn't ready for that inevitable evolution: its structure is single app at a time oriented. Multitasking is really just tacked on.
Yes, Windows 8 may not have the most classy solution. Maybe it's there to beat. However, they are moving proactively and are seeing that eventually, people don't wont to sit at their desk to do their computing work anymore, they want their tablets to do everything.
Unless Apple figures this out, as users begin to really abandon PCs as their every day devices and onto tablets, the iPad will be caught flat footed by its lack of capabilities. Heck, right now, if I see a file I want to download, a simple request, I would be beaten and would have to put down my iPad and go upstairs to the Mac.
iOS 7, 8 or 9 may change all this, and I hope they do.
 
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The article is incorrect in that the Vivotab Smart is not Windows RT, so it does not include built in Office apps. It is a Windows 8 device, so you get a trial of Office 2010, but need to buy it if you want to keep using it.

In fairness to the ad, they have very fine print that says "features may vary by device."

The Vivotab Smart is actually very nice, especially for the price, but I think I still use my iPad more for browsing. VLC and the microSD card slot is nice for just being able to quickly throw any media on the tablet, though, without having to worry about syncing or downloading from the cloud.

Wrong. A little research would keep you from spreading incorrect information. It runs on the x86 architecture. You may be thinking of the Asus VivoTab RT. Different machine.

Maybe you should actually read a comment before correcting it.

My comment is correct since I actually stated that it is NOT an RT device, which is why it doesn't have built in Office RT! Of course it runs x86, since I said it runs Windows 8, Not RT.

Geez man, how can you actually quote someone, yell "Wrong.", and then restate the same thing they stated in the quote you used, all the while accusing them of spreading incorrect information. That takes some incredibly ironic lack of reading skills and tact.
 
Where is it written that a tablet should be for fun only?
I like this add and the product, seems like it lets you get some work done.
Work can be fun, and it pays the iToys :D
 
It's nice to see Windows 8 running on the type of device it's actually designed for. Whereas the desktop or notebook implementation seems to be an afterthought. The guys in Redmond should have taken Apple's approach on this and implemented one approach with the user interface of the desktop and another with mobile devices.
 
It's nice to see Windows 8 running on the type of device it's actually designed for. Whereas the desktop or notebook implementation seems to be an afterthought. The guys in Redmond should have taken Apple's approach on this and implemented one approach with the user interface of the desktop and another with mobile devices.

I have to agree. My first experience with Windows 8 was on a desktop computer and I really, really, hated the metro UI. When I eventually saw it on a tablet I thought "Oh, ok, this makes sense, this is pretty cool actually".

They mismanaged windows 8 a lot I think.
 
yeah and it comes with Pages, AKA 10 dollar Wordpad

iWork is way better than MSoffice especially Keynote....Ppt sux. I have to although agree that excel is better than numbers. Pages is not 10$ wordpad because it can do all the stuff Word can do and even more.
 
The iPad camera doesn't have a flash.

By the way, GorillaZ used the iPad to make their new album. You should check out which apps they used on the iPad to make it.

You don't need an LED for a camera app

And you can record an album on a cassette player by overdub. In the end its nothing more than a pet project so you can say you did it

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iWork is way better than MSoffice especially Keynote....Ppt sux. I have to although agree that excel is better than numbers. Pages is not 10$ wordpad because it can do all the stuff Word can do and even more.

Not on iOS it can't. And since we're talking tablets we're talking iOS
 
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