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Microsoft Remains on Offensive with 'Apple Tax' Report and Latest Laptop Ad
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"Life Without Windows, since we've removed all of the Walls."
Great message, by the way: it really rubs it in for the millions of homeless families forced out of their foreclosed homes as a result of the present economy: "Life Without Walls."
Wow! Read the bogus paper. Ok for the first 2 pages. Then we approach silly. Downhill from there until mesmerizingly stupid. Just wow!
So the Apple tax comes from the fact that the user buys software (Office, Quicken), orders services (MobileMe) and buys upgrades (iLife) whereas he could have spent 5 years playing solitaire on a PC devoid of any software other than the bundled Notepad, Wordpad, Solitaire and Minesweeper.
Apple Tax; noun - Ignoring the fact that your Mac came with software, you keep buying additional software and subscriptions. And upgrades!
Not to mention the prices for upgrading trial ware, which, in terms of MS tax, come in at a much higher tier.
Didn't you know? It's really all about choice
Not quite true. Windows became dominant because it ran on almost any machine out there. Apple OS became a thing for the chosen wealthy few because it ran on only one kind of machine.
Erm you learned that just now???
And for those that missed it - here's exactly how it happened...
http://rcrumb.com/files/A-SHORT-HISTORY-OF-AMERICA-.jpg
Coming to a place near you - SOON.
I really liked the argument about macs being popular at HIS age... I dont see the point why microsoft is campaining this way. I recently switched to mac, but still use windows alot on this machine. Is this about oem licensing? Maybe they should be pooring some money in new business models.
LOL sounds like a Ubuntu Machine
- many fewer crashes << (BS that windows crashes more, ive seen Macs crash so hard they cant boot again (see my other post about the "you must restart your computer" msg)
- many fewer file corruptions (WTF? lol ive never had that unless the HDD actually went bad with unreadable sectors but thats not a software issue)
- No viruses / no resource hogging anti-virus (Ubuntu doesnt need it either, but windows vista doesnt even need an antivirus anymore)
- No spyware (same as above)
- Simple graceful user interface that really does just work, mostly (same with ubuntu, infact ubuntu's compiz fusion interface slaughters both OSX Aqua and Vista Aero, it makes those 2 look like an anemic half dead rat with its tail cut off)
- much less time spent trying to fix problems myself or with the aid of an IT professional. (your own lack of knowledge is not a problem of windows)
- More production, less fixing, saves money (windows would probably be more for production since a Domain and group policy is far more advanced on a large scale than anything mac has)
- many less network issues (not in 5000+ computer network, macs have weird network issues too)
- lovely hardware (ubuntu and windows machines have lovely hardware as well because i CHOOSE what i want to put in at the PRICE i want)
- lovely software (the software in OSX is a crap compared to what ubuntu offers, even on the LIVE CD ubuntu has a full office suite including a visio-like program)
geez man. this is getting ridiculous
but i know some real life vista fanboys as well in the IT sector so this talk is nothing new. but you strike home in one point. i´d as well go for a unix based system as well before i´d go windows. but many netbook buyers already do that. and on a sidenote. no business i know is using vista. some tried it. but not a single one kept it (and no. i don´t know all companies of the world. i only speak of those i know)Technically speaking, a Mac is also a PC ain't it? Or are they referring to some other personal crap?
an overpriced under powered value parts bin PC, yes.....
over priced? we sure know that and has been argued to death on these boards
under powered? it relates to the above since things half the price are DOUBLE the speed
value parts? yep, your cheap garbage micron value ram isnt much to brag about,
neither are your small and slow 5400RPM drives that the macbooks come with by default. the wireless nics?
sorry but those are junk compared to a good atheros card with packet injection and variable tx and rx radio power.
nvidia 9400? lol what a POS, that junk card can barely get 2000 3d06 marks, laptops HALF the price come with 3650s/9700GT video cards that slaughter that shared ram onboard crap (go look on new egg, the macbook is like $1299 and a gaming laptop is $899),
also USB ports, WTF are there only 2? do they really have to cheap out that bad?
no HDMI with 7.1 audio? no VGA? no express card 54 or 34?
no eSATA (USB and FW are crap compared to eSATA for xfr speeds),
a POS matshita DVDRW drive, just go to http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=816304 to see whats going on with those garbage DVDRW drives
no card reader? transfering 4GB from your camera's SD card is MUCH faster using a card reader than having to carry a stupid cable and go thru the camera itself (taking up 1 out of 2 usb ports)
fingerprint readers? anyone that has used this will know how handy it is
numeric pad? a hellva lot of 15.4"s now have numeric pads and it makes it so much easier to make a spreadsheet with lots of numbers and calculations
Well, when I bought my first MacBook 2 years ago (other 2 have been replacements provided by Apple due to poor build and repair quality), I had bought into all of the hype about how great OS X is. And how OS X itself will change your life and is so much better than Windows and all of that nonsense.
It wasn't until the honeymoon period was over and OS X had crashed a couple of times did I realize the truth. By then it was well passed the return date.
Not everyone is a student. In fact, few are.
Sorry, but food comparisons always fail. Why? McDonalds became the largest food chain in the world because of quick and cheap food. The majority of food they sell is off their $1 or equivalent menu.
Microsoft's Windows became the dominant OS on products that used to cost $1,000+ and now have an average price of around $650. Comparisons to quality can't be drawn.
I was talking about Apple's LED Cinema Display.
But even with the MacBook, you pay a hefty premium so you deserve something that is at least as good as what you can get on an equally priced PC.
Not really. The Japanese market share doesn't reflect the rest of the world, as Japanese taste in games differs greatly from NA, EU, and other regions taste in games. With the exception of rehashed series like FF (used to be an FF fan.. until FFX), GT5, Resident Evil (let it die already!), games that are popular in Japan rarely see any sort of success outside of Japan these days. Whats popular there doesn't mean squat in the US (largest market) or EU (second largest market).
Again, the point is that Sony removed the feature AFTER proclaiming that the past consoles would live on forever and that backwards compatibility was paramount to their strategy.
And whats wrong with me wanting to play old games a few years down the road? Why shouldn't I be able to pop in my old FF8 disc or Ratchet and Clank Going Commando? Theres no reason I should have to have multiple hardware units around. I should be able to do what Sony said I could do, play old games on new hardware.
All of them. Especially multi-platform games.
Sorry, but I own a Mac and a PC. Getting drivers is much simpler than dealing with a kernel panic in OS X.
Functionality over form and vanity any day.
It's funny how Apple fanboys go on and on about how time is money, then they praise Apple's repair service and how you're "only" without your system for a week or so.
Sorry, but time is money. With a PC you can be up and running the very same day it breaks down
Because, again, Blu-Ray's benefits are visible on ANY high def display. And if you hadn't noticed, people LOVE their movies and want to be able to watch the highest quality ANYWHERE. In fact, if you go over to audio video forums and see people asking what the best portable DVD players are, people say "laptops". I would bet a good amount of money that several million notebook PCs are sold every year just to serve as glorified portable DVD players.
Like I said, I had bought into all the Apple Hype nonsense. That was years ago. That mistake has made me a better and more informed person
But the OS isn't half as good as Vista. I love my iPhone but it gets annoying how it seems like it needs restored every 3 months because the OS becomes unstable. I've had a couple of times lately where the phone app crashes when you try to answer a call. One time I answered a call, the phone app crashed, but I was still able to hold a conversation with the person. But more recently its started crashing while trying to answer calls. It's happened before. A restore will take care of it. But it's annoying how my previous phones, all cheap $40 phones, never had these kinds of issues. Yet the iPhone does.
A unit that previously sold for $1,000.
Sorry, but OS X does not feature full hardware acceleration for video playback. It has a small amount of hardware support for certain features. But it doesn't offer full bitstream decoding like Windows does. Full bitstream decoding is REQUIRED for blu-ray playback. Even the Core 2 Duo in your MacBook Pro would choke on the highest quality video blu-ray has to offer.
Because the material used to make the MagSafe cords breaks down with time. It causes the cords to fray and eventually the exposed wire becomes a fire hazard.
The final nail in my own coffin? Comments like that come from people who know they've lost the debate (just like those "multi-quote posts get ignored) and are trying to look for any way to "win".
Oh and if you think the PS3 doesn't have a high failure rate, I invite you to look over at the official Playstation forums. You'll see that the PS3 has a decent failure rate itself.
But unlike Sony, Microsoft tackled the problem properly. What did Sony do? With the PS1 and PS2 problems, they had to lose MULTIPLE class action lawsuits before they finally started addressing the build quality issues with those units.
Yes, we know it wasn't like that at launch. But again, look how things have changed. Now the Xbox360 supports nearly every original Xbox game. The PS3 currently supports no older games.
Well, if you kept up the way you claim you do, you'd know that MS and Epic made those comments in the sense that it was "only the beginning" of significantly improved visuals for the Xbox360.
Don't forget that Square recently stated that Final Fantasy 13 will use "100%" of the PS3's power.
Again, thats all fine and dandy. But you miss the point that the PS3 DOES NOT support high resolution formats IN REAL TIME.
And only a couple of games on the system support multi-channel audio.
The Xbox360, on the other hand, supports real time Dolby Digital 5.1 on ALL games.
Again, only a very very very small amount of PS3 games actually support multi-channel audio.
Actually, DTS is 1.5Mbps. Dolby Digital and DTS being 24/96 are not part of the standard codecs, but an enhancement.
The PS3 does NOT support Dolby Digital or DTS at 24/96.
And like I said, this is all fine, but the PS3 DOES NOT SUPPORT THESE CODECS IN REAL TIME GAMING. That is the whole POINT. Sure it supports Dolby Digital Plus, DTS, DTS Master HD, and Dolby TruHD, as well as LPCM in blu-ray playback, but NOT in real time gaming.
Theres not even a dozen games on the PS3 that support multi-channel audio.
Real game audio is 16/44.1. The Xbox360 resamples the audio to 16/48 and encodes it in Dolby Digital in real time, for EVERY game, and sends it out to your receiver.
1.5Mbps
And, again, the Xbox360 supports multi-channel audio for EVERY game. Not just a handful.
Which is why I own a proper blu-ray player and proper audio setup. Not a weak game console that doubles as a movie player that has to have standard features added over the course of 3 years to bring it up to par with a standard blu-ray player.
One last thing that any audiophile will tell you:
The master and MIX of the audio matter even more than the playback format. I recently had Starship Troopers on blu-ray sent out to me from Netflix. I own the Superbit DVD. While the video was a bit better (the blu-ray was actually grainier than the DVD), the Dolby TruHD track fell flat compared to the full-rate 1.5Mbps DTS track on the Superbit DVD. The explosions had little bass and there was very little activity in channels other than the center channel. But the full rate DTS track on the Superbit DVD sounds exactly how I remember seeing it in theaters. Explosions that rock the room, full activity out of all speakers, etc.
But thats enough of you two taking this thread off topic
On to the real point. The fact that Apple's computers are overpriced, you don't get what you pay for, and OS X isn't as good as Vista.
Hi Paul Thurrott, how about opening a forum on your website?
geez man. this is getting ridiculous
do you even work downtown where you live? TONS of companies have switched to vista after SP1 was released (the driver availability from 3rd party manufactures seemed to have stabilized after SP1), i know some schools that switched to vista from DAY 1
Trial ware? delete that crap if you dont want it... because you have a choice of what you want to use
PIM = thunderbird = FREE
office suite = TAKE one of the FREE ones from here http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/6-free-office-suites-that-are-not-microsoft/
Antivirus = FREE, Antivir, AVG, Avast (Vista doesnt really need one since the UAC makes it more secure than a mac)
Most I know are still on XP - and the thought of replacing all the hardware to cope with vista doesn't seem to be encouraging them.
Is it worth it for companies to swift to vista today - or should they wait til w7?
Is it worth it for companies to swift to vista today - or should they wait til w7?
4 cores at 2.4GHz is faster than a 2 core at 2.93 or even 3.2GHz, a dual core cannot outperform a 2.4GHz quad core unless its clocked over 4GHz (all core2duo 45nm)
Can you find me a Macbook or Macbookpro that has a ATi Radeon 4870 x2 and HDMI?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220503
how about one with just a card reader? (and dont even say a card reader is useless when a macbook has a max of 2 USB ports)
USB splitter and a card reader?
You can get both from the poundshop.
or if you prerfer , cut holes for:
1. sd card slot
2. Mini SD - or should we allow some adaptors?
3. micro SD- see above
4. Compact Flash
5. Sony SD
6. XD cards
Fancy six holes in your machine, or disappoint some customers in favour of others.
As welcome as an update in the middle of your work schedule
It's clear that there are a lot of Windows advocates hijacking this forum.
Run along now, head on over to your own forums and at least try and play nicely over there.
Bye bye, have a lovely day.
It's clear that there are a lot of Windows advocates hijacking this forum.
Run along now, head on over to your own forums and at least try and play nicely over there.
Bye bye, have a lovely day.
I'm a Mac.....and I'm a dull, creativity eliminating PC....... nahhh - Apple would NEVER negatively advertise their competitors products.
One rule for Jobs, one for everyone else eh?
To be fair - i think most of them are hardware fans - not MS devotees.
And you have to feel for them - if only mr jobs would let them get their greasy fingers on his lovely OS - we would have a lot more chums to compare gorgeous user experience with.
But as santa isn't gong to let that happen - they will just have to love whatever MS gives them.
Bless.
It not a case of being an advocate. I use both. (that is possible, you know). But the undeniable truth is that Mac's are overpriced and underspecified. Only a blinkered ignorant Apple fanboy would try and deny that truth - but many here do. It's like they actually WANT to give their money away. The attitude of some Apple fans in this place is utterly repulsive. There's a level of smugness, arrogance, ignorance, that frankly just defies belief.
I'm a Mac.....and I'm a dull, creativity eliminating PC....... nahhh - Apple would NEVER negatively advertise their competitors products.
One rule for Jobs, one for everyone else eh?
I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Pity the ms ads aren't that funny.
Oh well - as Jobs said - 'no taste'
If you want a laugh - youtube the i'm a mac / pc / linux ads
"No seriously, the grown ups are talking."
I do love linux - but i switched from a pc to spent LESS time tinkering under the hood.
It not a case of being an advocate. I use both. (that is possible, you know). But the undeniable truth is that Mac's are overpriced and underspecified. Only a blinkered ignorant Apple fanboy would try and deny that truth - but many here do. It's like they actually WANT to give their money away.
Well - the money we pay today means someone is designing the next iphone, ipod and whatever new tablet mac has under wraps.
The future is worth investing in.
But seriously - Ask a jaguar driver why he isn't in a vectra - quality of design makes life a more pleasant and productive place.
But it is funny.
When you are in a minority - you do tend to celebrate your strengths.