I will admit I think I ditched my Wii a little too early. It's the only system my wife and I could actually play and have a laugh on, but when Wii Fit came out and she said, "Oh that looks good", it was off to eBay I went!
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Microsoft Remains on Offensive with 'Apple Tax' Report and Latest Laptop Ad
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What I see:
"Please, please, please, please stop buying Apple laptops. Damn it, we don't even make laptops. Just buy Sony or something. Please.''
I'm looking forward to the Apple advert that begs people to buy Verbatim disks over Phillips.
"Please, please, please, please stop buying Apple laptops. Damn it, we don't even make laptops. Just buy Sony or something. Please.''
I'm looking forward to the Apple advert that begs people to buy Verbatim disks over Phillips.
Never had a problem with my Sony Laptop. It outlived my powerbook. That is my personal experience so I cannot say that all Sonys will out live apples...
Heard of Mini display port? Who the hell uses that?
I am yet to find one video card manufacture that has put that into their product so I can hook up my 24" LED to my PC (i bought it for my macbooks and mac mini)
There is a ATI 4870 coming in about 5 weeks for the mac pro, that might be the only one in existance
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB999ZM/A
Sadly way way overpriced and only the 512 jobbie while the PC equivalents now are 1GB.
Think you'll find, white Macbook aside, it's made of Aluminum and Glass.
oh good! Aluminum and Glass is it exactly what I wanted......
I assume that is sarcasm?
If it isn't what you want then go and by a cheaper PC. Problem solved because diversity is great. However, it is important to recognise that not everybody wants a ugly, bulky, cheap plastic machine that only runs Windows.
I'd wager that you wouldn't be the ''cool guy'' anywhere. It would have nothing to do with which computer you had purchased but your attitude.
One thing that really annoys me is when people throw in price as a criticism against anything. The product doesn't change because it is more expensive; the product is more expensive because it is better and, to the people that buy it, it is worth the money. If it isn't worth it to you then go PC. A choice that a lot of people are not wanting to make. Hence these desperate adverts.
Yep.... Completely agree, if the gaming world targeted mac more, which they could now that apple uses Nvidia allot, then they wouldn't have the problem. But unless you spend more than the amount he was given, you won't get a good 'gaming' laptop. However they never did quantify what gaming he way doing, i mean is this, "i need a 1GB graphics card" or "I need a 64Mb graphics card".
On the other hand, i bought my Macbook Pro, not expecting to get it any where near Windows, but i put windows on Dual Boot, and my games ran better than they ever did on my computer, and that was meant to be a good one.
I think the whole point is with ALL technology you get what you pay for, i can get a rip off iPod and it will work, or i can get the real deal, and it will work better, ALLOT better.
Oh, that hilarious argument ... again.
Every laptop manufacturer puts their logo on the lid of their system, be it Apple, Sony with the Vaio, HP, Dell, etc.
When you sit in said Coffee Shop (I don't drink coffee, for the record ... I have high blood pressure and can't drink anything with caffeine), and flip open that laptop, your logo is going to be "on display" regardless of who makes it.
What do you want Apple to do, cover up the logo to allow those engraved VAIO logos to stand out in the crowd?
Honestly, that's the biggest failure when it comes to an argument ... the old coffee shop analogy. It doesn't matter what manufacturer you have, when you sit down and flip that lid open, everyone who looks at your system is going to see a logo, regardless of who's it is.
Whether it was fake or not. the ending kinda made me laugh.
Kid: Im a PC and I'm 11!
Mom: And I'm not!
Kid: Im a PC and I'm 11!
Mom: And I'm not!
Yes you get quite decent gaming machine with that price, but
- Don't compare resolution on two different size of screens, that makes little sense.
- 4GO ram, but DDR2, all Apple laptops run faster DDR3.
- Vista 64 bits? Is that system that runs poorly 32 bits applications, does not run 32 bits drivers, and has therefore poor compatibility?
- Dedicated card, you get that right, though with a macbook pro you get two GPU chips, dedicated and integrated.
- Blu-ray? Isn't it that crap which slows down Vista as the OS has too guaranty proper reading of protected content? Or is that crap that no one buys for their living room? While Sony is pushing for Blu-ray, Apple is building a totally new over the air media entertainment system. Guess which one will be chosen by customers.
- Magnesium alloy cage? And what, that's still way inferior to what Apple can do with its unibody aluminum design.
-Chicklet keys? What makes you saying that it works better than mac besides your trollism. And regarding who first introduced the Chicklet keys, that's true that Sony had some laptops some time ago with that, but why then they started to use it again once Apple started to use it? And by the way, Chicklet keys is not from Sony in any way, the french Minitel had such keys design.....ah, ah....
-6.4 pounds light? You call this light? Then now, it is confirmed, you are a troll. First of all the sony laptop weights 6.4-7.0 pounds, usually more to 7.0. A Macbook pro 15 inch weights 5.5 pounds. The sony is closer to the Macbook pro 17 inch (6.6), though the MacBook pro 17 is way better in features.
So now, if you want to compare with a MacBook pro, you would get:
- Better OS, and don't forget that Apple develops OS X, Sony does not develop windows, so the price of the machine has to take that into account at some point as Apple spends millions of dollars developing an OS way better than anything Microsoft can offer. I find incredible that so much people and Microsoft forget that.
- A lighter computer and more compact. The sony is 1.14 - 1.46 inch thick, the MacBook pro is 0.95 inch thick. That's a significant difference.
- You get backlit keyboard, light sensor for the screen, sudden motion sensor.
- You get a multi-touch trackpad, well better than anything available on pc.
- You get Firewire 800.
- You get a display port connector. Sony use VGA (yes most pc has still VGA can you believe that) and HDMI, the connector that is going no where in the computer space.
- You get digital audio.
- You get better battery life, Vista performance for battery life is awful.
http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=3435&p=13
- You get a LED display.
- You get a better environmental friendly product.
So what?
I wanted to say also something on this Apple tax study. Did you notice that the study tries to compare a Mac Pro to a mid-range home system, a HP Pavilion desktop. The study says that a modern Xeon workstation is feature-equivalent to a mid-range home system with a previous-generation Core 2 Quad processor and slower graphics. Do you realize the type of non-sense that it is.
I mean they compare a computer that can hold 32 GB of Ram, 4 TB of storage, than can drive 8 30 inch monitors at the same time, that has 8 processing cores, two independent gigabit ethernet ports, multiple firewire 800 ports, supports SAS disks and ultra fast RAID and has a industry best internal design. They compare this sort of machine to this:
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/s...gory&v1=Performance and entertainment#CTO_CAN
A system that holds no more than 8 GB of slow memory, no more than 1 TO of slow storage and which is crap by design. How can it be, how can it make any sense?
I mean does anyone realize the sort of non sense Microsoft is up to, this is simply disinformation, something that this company has proven many times that it can do very well, much better than designing cool products. Just that point makes this Apple tax argument totally meaningless, i mean, if a compare a Dell Precision or a workstation product from HP itself to this HP pavillion, with the huge difference in price, should i conclude that i can speak of a Dell Tax or a HP Tax, or something like this?
"extremely overpriced", how exactly? Are you one of those people who think that value and worth of a computer can be determined by looking at paper-specs and checking off checkboxes? Everyone with a functional brain realizes that that is not an good way to determine value of a computer.
Does the fact that you can get a PC for less money than you can get a Mac mean that Macs are overpriced? Maybe those cheap PC's cost less because they are also worth less?
Maybe Audi's are "extremely overpriced", since you can get a Lada for about 1/4 the price of an Audi....
Maybe this is how GM and Chrysler should go about marketing their cars versus Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Audi.
How can they make a comparison when they only give the specs for one half of the argument? On top of that, there are many features that can only be had with a Mac. How convenient of them to leave those out.
Mercedes, BMW, Lexus and Audi are made in China from the same components as GM and Chrysler???
Like i posted in the last thread, if you want to go down the car comparison path try an Impreza WRX wagon and the Saab 9-2x - Fundamentally the same guts but one has a much nicer body and suspension, so you feel like you are driving a expansive european car. Comparing Mac to mercs, BMW etc is so lame, anyone can save up and buy a macbook...sure you may pay $500 more..... good luck saving up beyond a GM and getting a merc!
Now who will be the first to compare macs to the Bugatti veyron
Blu-ray has such a small market share at the amount, people just can't afford to spend the extra money on something they can hardly see the difference in quality.
So why is Microsoft who are trying to convince people to buy something that they say is cheaper and cost effective, when blu-ray really isn't a selling point for someone with a tight budget.
Microsoft still hasn't dealt with the real problem that people find with their operating system when compared to OS X. Even with the hardware being less then the pc, I find the mac makes up for this in how it utilises the hardware it has. The OS just simply runs better making you feel like it has better specs. On paper these PCs may look better but when you get down to using them they just don't work, a Mac however it just works!
Anyone noticed how sony's laptop part of the site is using the same scroll bar thing as apple has for the mac section?
So why is Microsoft who are trying to convince people to buy something that they say is cheaper and cost effective, when blu-ray really isn't a selling point for someone with a tight budget.
Microsoft still hasn't dealt with the real problem that people find with their operating system when compared to OS X. Even with the hardware being less then the pc, I find the mac makes up for this in how it utilises the hardware it has. The OS just simply runs better making you feel like it has better specs. On paper these PCs may look better but when you get down to using them they just don't work, a Mac however it just works!
Anyone noticed how sony's laptop part of the site is using the same scroll bar thing as apple has for the mac section?
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I'm comin' up to that nice point in life where I'm thinkin about replacin' my laptop.... and even though I have a Mac now I don't know if my next choice will be.
I look at Asus ones (not the piddly Eee range) and like them a lot, I was gonna get one before I got this MacBook.
However, I'll wait for MB v2 before I jump out and get the Asus. It'd need FireWire (I'm sure they'll re-add this) and preferably a card slot on top of it's current spec to make me buy.
I look at Asus ones (not the piddly Eee range) and like them a lot, I was gonna get one before I got this MacBook.
However, I'll wait for MB v2 before I jump out and get the Asus. It'd need FireWire (I'm sure they'll re-add this) and preferably a card slot on top of it's current spec to make me buy.
Well, Audi's use a lot of same components as VW, Skoda and Seat does.... Just because the components are more or less the same, does not mean that the end-result is identical. A computer is more than the sum of it's parts, just like cars are.
It's stupid in the extreme to think that "PC-laptops and Macs use Intel-procesors and similar hard-drives, therefore they are identical".....
It's interesting, really. Comparing (for example) VW and Toyota, I can see that the two have more or less similar specs, but the VW costs a bit more. So I should get a Toyota, right? But when I go and test them both, I immediately find out that the interior of the Toyota feels cheap and plastique, I can't get a decent driving-position (the center-console keeps rubbing against my leg, making longer drives absolute pain), and drive feels flimsy whereas the VW has none of those issues. If we listened to those "Macs are overpriced!"-people, I should get the Toyota, since the "specs" are more or less similar, but the Toyota costs less....
to say the truth with $1500 max u get an awsome pc something that doent happen on macs. too bad Apple wont let the cats free for the pc.
You know, the most successful ad campaigns aren't the ones that have funny characters, the ones that are the most cutesy, or even ones that tell the truth. The most successful ad campaigns are the ones that get people buzzing about them.
Now how do you get people buzzing about your commercials? Easy, just lie. And if you're not outright lying, you can twist things around so people (i.e. us) notice it and get all up in arms about it.
So in this scenario, Microsoft has been incredibly successful.
Now how do you get people buzzing about your commercials? Easy, just lie. And if you're not outright lying, you can twist things around so people (i.e. us) notice it and get all up in arms about it.
So in this scenario, Microsoft has been incredibly successful.
Apple REALLY should re-air that commercial.
