Unless you are able to travel at a speed that infinitely approaches the speed of light, wherein time essentially stops. In such an instance time would only be measured by the outside observer!
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Unless you are able to travel at a speed that infinitely approaches the speed of light, wherein time essentially stops. In such an instance time would only be measured by the outside observer!
Sorry, just couldn't resist.
You mean the one that makes more profit than HP's and Dell's PC businesses combined?
Unless you are able to travel at a speed that infinitely approaches the speed of light, wherein time essentially stops. In such an instance time would only be measured by the outside observer!
Sorry, just couldn't resist.
alas, I see only 2 possiblities if the outside observer is able to observe a traveler that approaches the speed of light:
- He is observing form a light year's far away point of view, then the time he will measure will be distorted by the distance from the traveller, that will no longer be there.
- the observer is traveling almost at the same speed of the traveller, for a period long enough to get some data, then he's perception of time will be distorted by his own speed.
In both example, the traveler will never know the answer because his brain blew up just 5 seconds before the experiment has begun.
The App Store is what makes the iPhone
The WinMo phone looks pretty good. I applaud them for creating something from the ground up for a mobile device instead of striping down the desktop OS like all the previous crapware like WinCE or WinMo6. Hard to really tell without trying it out, anyone can make a demo video look fantastic.
But what Apple has is a three year head start, a mature developer market and 2 soon to be three mobile devices to develop apps for, two of which aren't phones.
All of these people who bought iPhones and have invested hundreds of dollars in apps are going to be reluctant to move to a new device... same deal with the iPod.
The WinMo phone looks pretty good. I applaud them for creating something from the ground up for a mobile device instead of striping down the desktop OS like all the previous crapware like WinCE or WinMo6. Hard to really tell without trying it out, anyone can make a demo video look fantastic.
But what Apple has is a three year head start, a mature developer market and 2 soon to be three mobile devices to develop apps for, two of which aren't phones.
All of these people who bought iPhones and have invested hundreds of dollars in apps are going to be reluctant to move to a new device... same deal with the iPod.
Mac Rumors on Alexa 489th ranked website in US, 1194 in world (much higher than iLounge)
but since you like iLounge for iPods I guess:
[ur=http://www.alexa.com/search?q=ilounge.com&r=site_screener&p=top]iLounge Alexa Ratings[/url] 2962 rank in US, 6504 in the world. Sites linking to iLoung are 3962
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Zuneboards on Alexa28895 ranked website in US, 84,683 ranked in world.
I am not sure what you were trying to compare, but Google does not rank things or web pages by popularity. The rank them based on a scoring system for a specific search and go to a specific page. Popularity plays a side role in that determination but only because being popular creates factors that influence the ranking score of a web page. Sites linking to Zuneboards is 677.
While Alexa is not good at judging precise traffic of websites, it is a very good tool to comparatively measure the popularity and utilization of different websites against one another.
You have to realize that the vbulletin stats for the number of people viewing a particular forum include bots and spiders and different websites have different rules in what they allow and how they allow them. I have seen vBulletin sites have 100 bots/spiders showing up in the stats at a time, given how they expire.
Suffice it to say, I am not sure what your point was, other than I guess trying to tell people the Zune is more popular than people are claiming it is.
As far as analogies go, this one has to be in the running as one of the worst on macrumors. Wow... wow!
Oled!
iPhone OS is ahead of the game hands down! The advantage of iTunes is unquestionable. What makes me jealous for others to keep up with Apple is their hardware. The OLED, keyboard, replaceable battery & etc. Apple should start putting OLED especially on iPod Touch to start on we are going to love this!
iPhone OS is ahead of the game hands down! The advantage of iTunes is unquestionable. What makes me jealous for others to keep up with Apple is their hardware. The OLED, keyboard, replaceable battery & etc. Apple should start putting OLED especially on iPod Touch to start on we are going to love this!
So are you working a wannabe fanboy status? Cause really you do not have to go through all that bother to get your Fanboy wings, actually your doing really well to be honest. Comeon, buy a mac product, you have the hate for m$ now come to the light....
The quantum universe is not only stranger than we know, it is stranger than we can imagine.
And I didn't even want to get into timespace, which combines space and time, so one can be used to measure the other.
I think it looks awesome, and I want one.
The iPhone's chrome bezel and cheap plastic back look really tacky.
Very likely that those WiMo Phone will gain anything other than a plastic back. Not.
Breakthrough? The phone itself was, but the UI is nothing new. Icons on a desktop is only a 20 year old concept. That's all the iphone UI is a bunch of cluttered shortcuts on a desktop.
My thoughts exactly... this seems so overdue and am surprised (well not really) that it isn't ready for shipment now. I'll be headed to get a Droid this weekend now that I've seen this. Looks cool, but they waited too long.
Yet these "cluttered shortcuts" on a desktop completely revolutionized the mobile industry overnight. And to think this 20-year old concept was right under everyone's noses, and these idiots STILL can't get it right after nearly three years.
"That's all the iPhone UI is . . ."
ROFL. Yup, that's all. And everyone's copying it, and for some reason just can't get it right.
Shortcuts on a desktop, yup, but it seems people forget that the iphone, just under 3 years ago, literally changed the phone market forever by changing just how we interact with these devices.
Now this windows 7 series may turn out alright, but I still think apple went function with nice form, while this seems purely form over function. Funny thing is, the haters usually scream from the rooftops to anyone who will listen about apple doing it....
While the advantage of iTunes is unquestionable, I wouldn't downplay XBox Live. It has the possibility of being the killer feature for many people.
Fine words from somebody, who by average produces almost 10 comments per day on this site alone. Add his/her comments on AppleInsider to this and you wonder - can anybody with a meaningful job and a family make almost six thousand posts per year on two websites?
Yeah, right, THOSE at Samsung and other companies creating something are the idiots!
PS: I didn't want to spoil your first birthday on Macrumors, but I'm glad that you just made the 3000 comments by the 'big day'.
Fine words from somebody, who by average produces almost 10 comments per day on this site alone. Add his/her comments on AppleInsider to this and you wonder - can anybody with a meaningful job and a family make almost six thousand posts per year on two websites?
Yeah, right, THOSE at Samsung and other companies creating something are the idiots!
PS: I didn't want to spoil your first birthday on Macrumors, but I'm glad that you just made the 3000 comments by the 'big day'.
I made 5000 my first year, and thats not including PSRI (or id be much higher). Don't think your high and mighty because this site doesn't happen to be one of your hobbies.
Say what??? What about the iPhone was a breakthrough if it wasn't the UI? That it was rectangular in shape? That it had a touchscreen? The UI was the breakthrough. People here keep talking about how icons are arranged on a screen as if the UI doesn't go far, far beyond that.
And "cluttered???"
2 things I dont like about this phone.
I dislike the xbox live icon with the avatar. It certainly doesnt fit with the rest of the squares in blue (which I like). This looks like the 'clippy' of phones.
Too much wiping in and out of text. It looks like an HTML effects testing site except they forgot to add the <blink> tag.
Besides these small nits, it seems to be a good contender but by no means is this raising the bar. It could gain traction if it was released today... but its not coming until October.
I dislike the xbox live icon with the avatar. It certainly doesnt fit with the rest of the squares in blue (which I like). This looks like the 'clippy' of phones.
Too much wiping in and out of text. It looks like an HTML effects testing site except they forgot to add the <blink> tag.
Besides these small nits, it seems to be a good contender but by no means is this raising the bar. It could gain traction if it was released today... but its not coming until October.
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Ex-Microsoft employee compares Windows Phone 7 to Vista
By Tom Warren
Scott Barnes, formerly a Microsoft Rich Platform Product Manager (WPF & Silverlight), has voiced his opinions on the Windows Phone 7 user interface (UI).
Barnes covers various topics of thought on the Windows Phone 7 announcements and admits when he initially saw the early specs, whilst he was working at Microsoft, he was "a little jaded with the whole level of commitment to the UX." He compares the new UI to that of the iPhone:
"the UI is trying a little to hard to do the opposite of the iPhone, like it’s a challenge they need to rise up against. Examples like no Icons, panning up/down instead of left / right for content etc seems to pack a little too much anti-iPhone."
Barnes also feels the Windows Phone 7 launch is similar to Vista. "This is the Windows Vista launch, as after some code resets and downward pressure from above this is almost exactly the same internal conditions Windows Vista team had before their launch, 'get it to market, get it fast and we’ll come back around for the bits we wanted to put in place'."
After playing with a Windows Phone 7 series device I have similar concerns about the user interface. It's fast and gives you a quick overview of information but having to "Pivot" (slide) through panels of information isn't natural and could easily cause usability issues. Sliding to different parts of content is fine in principle, providing you know there's more content to slide to and you have a preview or understanding of what content you can slide to in either direction. I feel that Windows Phone 7 doesn't address this and buries options and content too far into what is referred to as a "Hub".
Microsoft switched their strategy for Windows Mobile approximately two years ago when they decided to "reset". Similar to the Longhorn (Vista) reset and subsequent development of Windows 7, Windows Mobile internal groups went through restructuring and a series of changes designed to improve the development process. I can't help but feel despite this effort, and the tasks involved, that it could be too late. The UI is basic and doesn't offer anything really compelling that makes you want to purchase a Windows Phone 7 device yet. The integration with web services is fantastic and a great step in the right direction but the UI is lacking somewhat. HTC spent years covering up the UI problems in Windows Mobile and Microsoft seems to have addressed this by ensuring every part of the OS now looks the same and functions the same. The problem is by doing this they have lost a great UI that they could have embraced and built upon in partnership with HTC. It's still not fully clear whether HTC will bring a cut down version of Sense to Windows Phone 7. The company could a Start Screen tile or Custom Hub. Loking at Windows Phone 6.5 with the Sense UI and comparing this to Windows Phone 7, I don't get the feeling of "wow" or usability that I get with the HTC Sense bar or impressive weather animations. The rest of the Windows Mobile 6.5 operating system underneath isn't as consistent however, Windows Phone 7 fixes that issue.
Despite my UI reservations, Microsoft has many months until Windows Phone 7 will hit the market. We know very little about how applications will interface with the operating system and which developers plan to create Windows Phone 7 apps. The juicy details of how Windows Phone 7 will position itself in the market won't arrive for another few weeks until MIX 2010 in March. Meanwhile Apple is likely to react to the announcements with its own plans for the iPhone OS 4.0 and next generation iPhone device due in June/July. If Apple has some interesting changes to their iPhone OS and impressive hardware then Microsoft could be on the back foot before Windows Phone 7 Series devices have even shipped.
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Ex-Microsoft employee compares Windows Phone 7 to Vista
By Tom Warren
Scott Barnes, formerly a Microsoft Rich Platform Product Manager (WPF & Silverlight), has voiced his opinions on the Windows Phone 7 user interface (UI).
Barnes covers various topics of thought on the Windows Phone 7 announcements and admits when he initially saw the early specs, whilst he was working at Microsoft, he was "a little jaded with the whole level of commitment to the UX." He compares the new UI to that of the iPhone:
"the UI is trying a little to hard to do the opposite of the iPhone, like it’s a challenge they need to rise up against. Examples like no Icons, panning up/down instead of left / right for content etc seems to pack a little too much anti-iPhone."
Barnes also feels the Windows Phone 7 launch is similar to Vista. "This is the Windows Vista launch, as after some code resets and downward pressure from above this is almost exactly the same internal conditions Windows Vista team had before their launch, 'get it to market, get it fast and we’ll come back around for the bits we wanted to put in place'."
After playing with a Windows Phone 7 series device I have similar concerns about the user interface. It's fast and gives you a quick overview of information but having to "Pivot" (slide) through panels of information isn't natural and could easily cause usability issues. Sliding to different parts of content is fine in principle, providing you know there's more content to slide to and you have a preview or understanding of what content you can slide to in either direction. I feel that Windows Phone 7 doesn't address this and buries options and content too far into what is referred to as a "Hub".
Microsoft switched their strategy for Windows Mobile approximately two years ago when they decided to "reset". Similar to the Longhorn (Vista) reset and subsequent development of Windows 7, Windows Mobile internal groups went through restructuring and a series of changes designed to improve the development process. I can't help but feel despite this effort, and the tasks involved, that it could be too late. The UI is basic and doesn't offer anything really compelling that makes you want to purchase a Windows Phone 7 device yet. The integration with web services is fantastic and a great step in the right direction but the UI is lacking somewhat. HTC spent years covering up the UI problems in Windows Mobile and Microsoft seems to have addressed this by ensuring every part of the OS now looks the same and functions the same. The problem is by doing this they have lost a great UI that they could have embraced and built upon in partnership with HTC. It's still not fully clear whether HTC will bring a cut down version of Sense to Windows Phone 7. The company could a Start Screen tile or Custom Hub. Loking at Windows Phone 6.5 with the Sense UI and comparing this to Windows Phone 7, I don't get the feeling of "wow" or usability that I get with the HTC Sense bar or impressive weather animations. The rest of the Windows Mobile 6.5 operating system underneath isn't as consistent however, Windows Phone 7 fixes that issue.
Despite my UI reservations, Microsoft has many months until Windows Phone 7 will hit the market. We know very little about how applications will interface with the operating system and which developers plan to create Windows Phone 7 apps. The juicy details of how Windows Phone 7 will position itself in the market won't arrive for another few weeks until MIX 2010 in March. Meanwhile Apple is likely to react to the announcements with its own plans for the iPhone OS 4.0 and next generation iPhone device due in June/July. If Apple has some interesting changes to their iPhone OS and impressive hardware then Microsoft could be on the back foot before Windows Phone 7 Series devices have even shipped.
The more I look at this new UI, the more I think Microsoft fanatics are going to wake up tomorrow with a bad hangover and realize this is not the Windows Mobile they were hoping for. And prominent bloggers who are prematurely gushing about it, like Jesus Diaz at Gizmodo, are going to wish they had let things simmer in their brains a little longer before rushing those early "reviews" and proclamations of greatness out the door. Just compare the two UIs below:
From that single screen on the iPhone, I can launch 20 different applications, see my number of new emails, text messages, voicemail messages/missed calls, and application updates awaiting me. I can see my signal strength, battery life, and if Bluetooth is on.
From that single screen on the Windows phone, I can launch 6 different applications (you can't see what the 7th is in the bottom right corner) and see my new emails, text messages, and voicemail messages/missed calls.
If I flick to the next screen on the iPhone, I have another 16 applications to choose from (plus access to the primary 4 apps in the bottom bar).
If you hit the arrow on the Windows phone to see the next screen, you get 9 visible applications in a one-per-line list. Wanna see more? You gotta scroll.
And what's up with the gratuitous/superfluous animations on the Windows phone? It seems everything you do is accompanied by page and tile flip effects. Bleh.
I see nothing more than (questionable) style over substance in what looks far more conceptual than marketable. MS is essentially dumping their current WinMo user base with they hope they'll attract the tween set with a bunch of special effects and Xbox Live integration, and even this is almost a year away - as if Apple, Google and Palm will be sitting around waiting.
Sorry WinMo fans, I don't see a serious contender here - no matter how much $$$ Microsoft has to throw into the mix.
From that single screen on the iPhone, I can launch 20 different applications, see my number of new emails, text messages, voicemail messages/missed calls, and application updates awaiting me. I can see my signal strength, battery life, and if Bluetooth is on.
From that single screen on the Windows phone, I can launch 6 different applications (you can't see what the 7th is in the bottom right corner) and see my new emails, text messages, and voicemail messages/missed calls.
If I flick to the next screen on the iPhone, I have another 16 applications to choose from (plus access to the primary 4 apps in the bottom bar).
If you hit the arrow on the Windows phone to see the next screen, you get 9 visible applications in a one-per-line list. Wanna see more? You gotta scroll.
And what's up with the gratuitous/superfluous animations on the Windows phone? It seems everything you do is accompanied by page and tile flip effects. Bleh.
I see nothing more than (questionable) style over substance in what looks far more conceptual than marketable. MS is essentially dumping their current WinMo user base with they hope they'll attract the tween set with a bunch of special effects and Xbox Live integration, and even this is almost a year away - as if Apple, Google and Palm will be sitting around waiting.
Sorry WinMo fans, I don't see a serious contender here - no matter how much $$$ Microsoft has to throw into the mix.
LOL, that UI is so awful I really thought it was wireframes at first. This is really the best they can come up with ?
Unfortunately for the business user - mostly corporate tied - this UI is way too busy and wastes a lot of space in the form of pictorial navigation. To be honest I'm wondering if there is another UI design feature for business users that need to find information fast and less "candy-like" ?? I love my Berry but I don't see many business users that also what just 1 phone to also be their personal phone covers everyone.
After MIX10 we'll see more I'm sure.
RIM's announcement for App Developers is tomorrow and WES2010 in April.
Why is it so many ppl are ONLY thinking of Apple or Android as major competitors? I've notice many users from the US are doing this throughout this thread?
There is Symbian - the big gorilla to contend with at the same launch as WinMo7, and there is RIM with their BlackBerry as well. Bada from Samsung ... no-one knows what that OS is based off of and I don't think developers from other platforms are too interested (beyond Widgets) this early.