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Microsoft Says Antitrust Regulators Should Review App Stores
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If Windows Phone had been even remotely successful, they'd have pulled the same stuff.
Speaking of, how do I install an alternate app store on Windows RT? Oh, I can't? Well, that's a funny coincidence.
Looks like someone is still bitter about having lost the smartphone and tablet market to Apple. 
Microsoft even pulled the same stunt with Windows 10S.
I'm actually a fan of Microsoft. Under Satya, Microsoft is becoming more and more platform agnostic. However, I am really disappointed in their actions here. It's as if they have no integrity at all.
Companies that list their Apps on the Apple App Store or any online store have a choice to list it or can choose not too. Another option is to create their own online store where they offer their App and everyone's App with no charge imposed.
Irrelevant.
10S is a stripped down, locked down version by design. But you are not required to buy it. It’s not your only option.
You have several versions of Win10 to choose from.
You don’t have that option in the Apple world.
Doesn't matter if it's coming from MS or not it WILL happen soon. Apple is duuuumb for pushing it to this. It's like they think they're still the cute App Store they were in 2009 and can do whatever they want with no consequences forever.
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Office should be a separate company? That's a ridiculous claim and in no way the same thing as this. Nobody is forced to use MS office any more than they're forced to use FaceTime or any proprietary software. It's still their choice to go with that standard.
I understand your view. First FaceTime is not a standard. You can use many other forms to achieve the same result on an iPhone. Since you state office is standard, would that mean I can use any other office application to achieve the same result. Have you tried using a different word processing app. What are the chances of word opening this document to have same look.
To me a standard would be like our wireless protocols. Any company can make their routers and we know it will work no matter what brand it is. This creates competition. Vendors innovate to have better features. Office hasn’t really changed in the last 10 years. They don’t need to. One can use office 2010 and it will be fine.
Microsoft market their brand as office 365. Of course we know why. They can tie their products to office.
I am merely stating Microsoft is the one that is also anti competitive.
To me a standard would be like our wireless protocols. Any company can make their routers and we know it will work no matter what brand it is. This creates competition. Vendors innovate to have better features. Office hasn’t really changed in the last 10 years. They don’t need to. One can use office 2010 and it will be fine.
Microsoft market their brand as office 365. Of course we know why. They can tie their products to office.
I am merely stating Microsoft is the one that is also anti competitive.
I disagree Apple thinks they are still the cute app store they were in 2009. They have internal and external counsel, of which they probably pay handsomely, guiding them through some of these murky waters. It's clear to some of the observers in these threads present and past that apple is engaging in anti-competitive behavior...only the courts can decide that.
First, I’m gonna take a wild guess that the majority of commenters on here are in their 40s-50s, are taking beta blockers instead of adderall, and have been told by their doctors to cut back on the caffeine significantly.
Odds are, most of the kids/young people are discussing this on Reddit.
Also, this is an open forum for discussion about an article Macrumors posted. You’re more than free to express any or all of your opinions, And we can discuss them. That’s what conversation is, and this is why forums exist.
I don‘t mean this in even the slightest dismissive way, because we’ve talked before and I like you, but if you want a safe space to discuss Apple stuff, one where Apple is incapable of any wrong, you could try AppleInsider. I think they still get a good 5-10 comments on each article they post.
Lastly, no, we don’t live in a Socialist Utopia. But Capitalism does have rules.
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Hmmm...not sure I remember our previous conversation, but even based on your post here, I can respect you! To be clear though, I never said that I didn't agree with the conversation, I just asked the MR merge the articles together as there were multiple articles all dealing with the same issue just from a (very slightly) different perspective!
As for my point about the dog piling, that is an observation on the world as a whole, not just Apple, and certainly not just this site. I don't want a safe space, I actually detest the notion of a safe space!! I have been here discussing, and being criticised in many cases, and I don't mind in the least! Some people take the time to justify (or at least back up) their viewpoints. Others (the majority sadly) simply say "You're wrong" and then seemingly use some kind of Logical Fallacy Magic 8 Ball to pick out which one to accuse others of (straw man seems to be the most popular it seems...but whataboutism is a close second!). But even then, it's cool! Everybody is entitled to their opinion as you say!
So far from wanting a safe space, I like lively discussion. The dog piling (here and elsewhere in the world) I am not so keen on because it usually involves little more than repetition of "talking points" without a shred of an idea of how to justify it or discuss it "off script". I just don't think that achieves anything. People soon tire of reading the same thing over and over and of being shouted down when they simply ask somebody to explain a point in more detail or to clarify something.
It usually goes along the lines of "You are talking crap because you are blind and don't understand what's really going on!"..."OK, then explain to me why you think X or Y"..."It's not MY job to explain to you...why don't you go read and educate yourself before posting!!" It's just intellectual laziness! I always explain myself when asked...whether my explanation/justification is right or wrong...I at least take the time to explain to somebody why I think how I do...as do you by the way...not a criticism levelled at you!
Anyway, to your last point...yes Capitalism does have rules...and Apple isn't breaking any of those rules. Capitalism (and basic Economics) relies on the rule of Supply & Demand. If Apple set their commission too high then people wouldn't "buy" (i.e. Devs would jump ship)...so they set it as high as they can to get the profit that they want based on unit profit x units sold. The anti-competitive argument isn't - at least based on my understanding - a Capitalist tenet, but rather a restriction imposed to restrict the excesses of Capitalism. So it is a rule applied TO Capitalism, rather then being a rule OF Capitalism.
In any case, the problem in my opinion is that it is a rule being applied on the basis of Apple having a monopoly but using the definition of "monopoly" to apply to a single company and a single product made by that single company rather than being applied to a market sector as a whole which, I believe, is the only valid application of the monopoly argument. As others have pointed out, Google has a monopoly on Gmail and the unique features that it has, but not on email. Apple has a monopoly on the App Store for iPhone, but not on application supply for the entire mobile phone market.
However, happy to discuss the situation with you...you seem like you can have a rational conversation.
lol great info graphic. I made a comment about this earlier. Going to a store to buy something physically doesn’t get around the fact that there are multiple parties involved taking a cut before the product reaches the consumer. The reason people go into the stores in the first place is because they view them as a trustworthy place of business.
Yup. And the margin of digital distribution is actually better for developers.
There's a reason why developers were cheering when Apple announced the 70-30 split. It's the better deal.
The issue to be argued should be the inconsistencies of Apple applying the policies, which Apple already admitted that they made a mistake for approving the app in the first place.
I agree with the inconsistencies. They give the bigger companies like google, Facebook, and Microsoft much more leeway than the smaller developers. Rules should be applied the same across the board.