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Microsoft Says ARM Windows Virtualization on Apple Silicon Macs 'Not a Supported Scenario'
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Except you cannot buy a separate license. Granted, for home use it's not likely MS will care, but in a corporate environment you can wind up in trouble with MS. That's why I have a separately purchased Win10 license on my setup.
Which is fine, I have an M1 MBA and 2018 MBP 15" that meet my needs. The MBP is relegated to Windows duty if I need to run PowerBI.
That's a Jobs thing, IIRC When he came back to Apple he said "Too many models" and broke them into Desktop / Laptop with a high end and low end in each bracket. They've moved a bit beyond that but it is still their basic setup.
Exactly what I was thinking, a brother of mine (who uses a MacBook Air as the main daily) just upgraded his side windows PC with a new CPU/Motherboard/etc and left hanging an older i7, it’s motherboard, the RAM and a GT 1660… might just repurpose that on a new case and use that for anything related windows, probably just Jump Desktop’ing to it.
Here’s what I also think about these “upgradeability” crazes… to upgrade to a new CPU it usually means discarding the old CPU, the old motherboard (and most likely RAM) if the the CPU slot changed, etc. So TONS of waste. I have a MacBook Pro 16” from 2014… I still use it, it works perfectly fine, it’s not on a garbage can (like lots of people seem to imply, garbage bins are full of planned obselete’d Apple devices) and it has generated ZERO, let me repeat that, ZERO electronics waste, 7 years later.
Jokes aside, if the article is really what they imply (it won’t be supported ‘on purpose’) then it really calls for that… it’s a fake choking of sorts. In fact, it should be sold on the Mac AppStore (half joking at this point), heck I would buy it from there right away if they make it launch handily from there like any other app.
Another commenter called it out though, this article seems to take things out of proportions and painting Microsoft in a bad-er light than what it is.
I am hoping you are correct.
People in the IT World, like myself, use VMWare Fusion all the time. People in Cyber Security also use Virtual Machine's to test out viruses and try to figure out what they do and how to protect against them. That way you can purposely download a virus and not have to worry about it getting into the host machine.
This thought process is wrong, and Microsoft has (at least in the past) continued to persist they are platform agnostic. They make Microsoft Office for all platforms. You can use Office on Windows, Mac, iOS, Android and even on Linux through the web browser. Some applications, like Microsoft Teams, is actually available for Linux.
And they continue to allow PC manufactures, like Samsung, HP, Dell and others, to buy licenses and install them for their customers. They also allow customer's to buy a copy of Windows 11 and install it on their own machines.
So why not allow customer's to install it on their Mac? They can most certainly make it work.
Hopefully, Microsoft will eventually support it. It might just be that right now, they aren't wanting to focus on it due to how few Mac's with Apple Silicone are available.
I knew where you got that from, but I think that was actually a quote from the Bible too.
Or you could just build a Gaming PC and get the exact specs for gaming that you want.
Wrong. Windows on ARM runs on non-Microsoft devices like HP, Lenovo, Samsung, Acer, etc. Fault is on Apple for not following industry standards with regards to things such as UEFI BIOS, not providing device drivers to Microsoft and, remember, Apple is pushing big on services that are baked into MacOS so allowing anything other than MacOS would be counterproductive.
Yea unfortunately it would appear that Apple cares less and less about people wanting to use Macs for Windows and Gaming.. definitely a shame..
Yea unfortunately it would appear that Apple cares less and less about people wanting to use Macs for Windows and Gaming.. definitely a shame..
yes, i believe the winning move is to have a windows gaming notebook and run macOS in a vm. I may do that next notebook change.
That’s not that big of a market and spend the money on developing and maintaining Bootcamp on AS would be a low choice. as a result, they should better invest the money elsewhere; and I say this as someone who has run MS OS’s since the days of the PCTransporter. Would I like them to do it? Sure, but I understand why it’s not on their radar.Yea unfortunately it would appear that Apple cares less and less about people wanting to use Macs for Windows and Gaming.. definitely a shame..
Just switch to M1 Mac and this is a complete disaster, previous x86 VM do not work and have to install ARM windows on M1 (and not every tools support ARM windows) and parallels and Microsoft is playing cat and mouse game and VMware do not support it. I don't mind paying Parallels but feel it might not stick
At this point might just well run some PC for x86 VM and jump desktop to connect to it
At this point might just well run some PC for x86 VM and jump desktop to connect to it
I think Microsoft's gambit will be to push Windows on Cloud instead for Mac users that need Windows for work (which is probably the majority of people that run Windows on Mac in the first place outside of gamers).
Started getting the message on 10/31. Now it pops up every few hours, it looks like the support is indeed not going to be there.
Because by not doing it, you force customers to buy a Windows PC and go to their platform....
Microsoft has been very vindictive in the past. They do not want to help Apple in any way. They will likely keep changing Windows 11 to break compatibility. I am old enough to know the meaning of the old slogan: DOS isn't done till Lotus won't run!
When it was unclear wha OS would win the desktop war MS was very cutthroat; but they’ve won that war.
They also greatly helped Apple when they introduced Office for the Mac. At this point there’s nothing to gain by being vindictive, especially since cloud based apps are their future and a Mac or iPad is as much a potential sale as a Windows box for those applications. I would not be surprised if one day Office365 includes a cloud based Windows environment, tailored for home use, as part of the subscription.
If ARM becomes a standard for laptops / desktops they’d probably make WinARM a generic product and not one tailored to the Surface line; making tehm less likely to “break” it since that would potentially impact their OEMS as well.
On top of everything else:
www.theregister.com
Without Microsoft acquiescence, if not support, running Windows on M1 (or any AS) is going to be perilous with the possibility of it suddenly not working at the whim of MS.
Windows giant seeks Pluton-ic relationship with chipmaker: AMD first out of the gates with Microsoft's security processor
Yes, you're going to have to get a new CPU (again)
AMD first out of the gates with Microsoft's Pluton
Yes, you're going to have to get a new CPU (again)
Without Microsoft acquiescence, if not support, running Windows on M1 (or any AS) is going to be perilous with the possibility of it suddenly not working at the whim of MS.
I'm old enough to remember that *and* the slap fights Manzi and Kahn got into over Lotus vs Quattro - that ended with MS winning that war as well.
Also old enough to remember Microsoft winning the first browser war against Netscape in spite of being spanked by the courts for illegally favoring IE. (N.B. Netscape became Mozilla/Firefox, but still.)