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Microsoft Says ARM Windows Virtualization on Apple Silicon Macs 'Not a Supported Scenario'
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Yes.
Windows for games and business applications.
Linux for when you need complete control.
macOS for everything else.
do you guys not read sigs? I have that. but why carry two laptops if I do not need to?
you do realize I cannot travel with my gaming pc right? the concept of multi use laptop is not a new one. and you are wrong about macbook gaming. everything I want to play runs delicious on the mbp16
That's easy to say, you can't buy a Windows on Arm license retail. OEM's can buy licenses, but the OEM EULA only allows Windows on Arm to run on the hardware it comes with.
Hopefully Microsoft will sell WOA retail licenses eventually and the retail EULA that Microsoft uses now allows it in a VM. Or Apple becomes an OEM for it, which I don't see happening.
I do some PowerBI work and tehre is no Mac equivalent, and MS' web version is a subset of teh desktop app.
Thats nice; but not everyone has teh same use case.
You don't need a MS permission to run Windows 11 in Parallels.
Technically you do since you are violating the license but I doubt MS really cares.
It's nice, when it works. Mine now freezes after working fine on my M1 MBA.
Sure. There are plenty nice Windows machines. If I can't run PowerBI on my Mac I will windup buying a mdirange laptop that is as light as possible. HP makes sone nice ones.
They also have OEMs to worry about who may not want MS to broadly license ARM based Windows as a standalone; plus not want the support headaches when a VM fails to run it.
The Apple EULA actually forbids running MacOS in a VM unless that VM is running on top of Apple hardware. (so Microsoft isn't actually unique...)
I totally agree with this. Intel and their chicanery has been on display for at least as long as I can remember: Alpha, AMD, Nvidia(this one makes me laugh all the time)— so, why not against Apple?
Possibly for the same reason Apple doesn't permit macOS to be installed on non-Apple hardware.
Going forward, it might be that Windows only runs on Microsoft made ARM or Intel CPUs... and as the world shifts to ARM and away from Intel, we might see Dell, HP and other computer companies get squeezed out of existence.
Anyone who depends on virtualized Windows apps professionally already knew this. There is nothing knew here. This is like someone from Ford saying that they don’t support Buicks and Motor Trend running a giant alarmist headline,.
Did you actually believe that Microsoft was supporting Windows virtualization on Apple Silicon? If so, why?
Because if you didn’t believe that, then the fact that Microsoft isn’t doing it is not news, by definition.
One laptop is easier to carry around than 2, and some of us actually like to run MacOS. The point is kind of moot now, i'll have to carry a Windows laptop and no MacOS, but that doesn't mean I can't ask for running Windows in a VM.
I am tired of using parallels. Apple & micro need to come up with a solution soon
less performant in what way? Do you think an M1 runs omnifocus that much better?
obviously I do not agree which is why my M1 is sitting in a box in my closet right now..
I gave the M1 ten months. It's not ready for my use yet. Check back with me in two years.
Im not going to tote a steam deck with its tiny screen and attach an external keyboard and mouse to it. thats ridiculous.
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Exactly. And ”is not supported” does not mean “will never be supported”. That could change at any time. Even if Microsoft execs were planning to step out on stage with Tim Cook in two hours and announce official support for Windows on Apple Silicon, Microsoft employees would still be saying it is not a supported scenario right now, because it isn’t supported right now. That’s what all Microsoft employees are trained to say. I know. I spent a decade and a half working for Microsoft.
Me neither. It's not a problem at home, I have several computers, both Macs and Windows, but traveling and work, I need Windows. (though I really don't *need* 11 yet, 10, and even 7, can run everything I want)
I have an M1 MBA, but I wont be buying another Mac until I can run Windows on it in some way. (I also have a very nicely appointed Mac Mini that I will keep at home until it dies)
You can’t sell licenses for a product without supporting it. It just doesn’t work that way, for a whole host of reasons.
I own a Xbox Series X and Game Pass Ultimate. The Xcloud game streaming (or whatever its called) is a horrible lag fest. I tried playing Forza 4 and the lag was so bad I would wreck the car because I would turn and then 10seconds later the game would see that turn.Is there any experience with Windows in the Cloud and games? Is it (well) supported and performance any good?
I know there are dedicated game streaming sevices – but it's not really the same as having the game running locally. So I have my doubts.
I know Macs are neither the perfect machines for nor targeted at gamers. But at least for me, I am already using Macs for everything else and don't want an extra PC for occasional gaming. Some games luckily already exist on macOS with excellent ports (thanks @speedcat_feral
Right now that's the perfect setup for me (and maybe also many others?). I guess it will last another 2-3y to play recent games. Just wondering what will be the solution in a world without (native) Windows on Macs in the future.
I tried this on two different 1gig Internet connections, Charter and ATT. I tried it on a Windows PC, my 16inch Macbook and a M1 iPad Pro.
None of these game streaming services ever does well. Microsoft supposedly just updated all of the Xbox One X consoles in the cloud to Xbox Series X's. I am sure that helps somewhat but Microsoft, Google, Sony or whomever has NO control over the connection between their data center and your location.
Apple haters hate them because they are good , so they pile on. Microsoft haters hate them for sucking, they just move on.
My only issue is that there isn't a good spreadsheet tool on Mac for high efficiency. Even Excel from Mac is incredibly slow from a workflow perspective. So I use Parallels to run Windows Excel and still have access to keyboard shortcuts, like navigating the menus from my keyboard.
If this won't work on M1 Macs, I have to seriously consider whether I will upgrade in October like I planned to.
No, we don't.
Because you need to. There's no universal tool fit for every purpose.
Except, of course:
You can do that right now. The only thing you can’t do is call Microsoft Tech Support if you have problems running Windows on it. You need to call Parallels Tech Support instead. That’s what “not supported” means. That’s all it means. I used to say things like that to customers all the time when I worked for Microsoft. Don’t let some click-bait journalism scare you into making more out of it.
I think it's because Windows 11 requires that TPM chip. I am running Windows 11 Preview on my 2020 Intel MacBook Pro running VMware Fusion and it emulates the TPM chip. I wish all of these companies would just be a little more cooperative with each other.
I didn't say I wanted it supported, i can handle that myself, I said I want to buy a license for it, and I can't right now. (and I have to pay attention to EULA's for work)