Microsoft Shadow Copy copies Time Machine!

[lu0s3r322]

I'm watching the Bill Gates keynote and they're showing off a feature called shadow copy and it restores old version of documents. The guy said "It's better than going back in time.", which is a direct diss at Time Machine.

that's gotta be some sort of copying.

 

[nuclearwinter]

Um, no.

Actually its been in Server 2003. No one is copying anyone. Both companies are just taking the next logical step in document/file management.

Read here.

EDIT: and here for a bit more info.

 

[Lixivial]

The Macintosh community really needs to get away from this notion that one company copies from another. When a feature is useful in one system it's bound to appear in another. It may be worth noting that Volume Shadow Copy was introduced in Windows Server 2003, well before even Panther was released.

Before this there was System Restore/Snapshotting that has been around since Windows ME. These sort of backup procedures are nothing all that new or innovative; the innovation is in how Apple allows the user to interface with them. In this case Vista is not copying OS X.

EDIT: Beaten to it.

EDIT 2: Tiger changed to Panther.

 

[dukebound85]

people claiming apple is the originator of all things really makes me hate these forums in a sense. apple implements features from others and gets copied from others big deal.

uh oh guys ford just implemented airbags. they are copying toyota. toyota needs to sue them...who cares if its for the better of the industry and for saftey purposes.

*i do not know who first did airbags*

 

[GoCubsGo]

people claiming apple is the originator of all things really makes me hate these forums in a sense. apple implements features from others and gets copied from others big deal.

uh oh guys ford just implemented airbags. they are copying toyota. toyota needs to sue them...who cares if its for the better of the industry and for saftey purposes.

*i do not know who first did airbags*

Your reply to this post is mimicking what I would write. You think like me, you're going down bitch!

 

[Quboid]

The Macintosh community really needs to get away from this notion that one company copies from another. When a feature is useful in one system it's bound to appear in another. It may be worth noting that Volume Shadow Copy was introduced in Windows Server 2003, well before even Panther was released.

Before this there was System Restore/Snapshotting that has been around since Windows ME. These sort of backup procedures are nothing all that new or innovative; the innovation is in how Apple allows the user to interface with them. In this case Vista is not copying OS X.

EDIT: Beaten to it.

EDIT 2: Tiger changed to Panther.

I agree. The use of the CD is a "copy" of sony/phillips invention.

 

[maxrobertson]

OK, Microsoft does copy. A lot. But this is not a copy. There are times to call "Rip off!" and times not to. Look at the Vista interface and naming conventions if you want to do that. This is not the time.

 

[lu0s3r322]

ok true, it was in server 2003 i forgot about that. but the fact that the guy made that quote shows what they're trying to do.

 

[Dave the Great]

*i do not know who first did airbags*

Actually, Ford tested them out first, followed by GM, etc.

 

[dukebound85]

Actually, Ford tested them out first, followed by GM, etc.

thanks learn something everyday!

 

[clevin]

people claiming apple is the originator of all things really makes me hate these forums in a sense. apple implements features from others and gets copied from others big deal.

uh oh guys ford just implemented airbags. they are copying toyota. toyota needs to sue them...who cares if its for the better of the industry and for saftey purposes.

*i do not know who first did airbags*

i feel same, especially when some ppl really don't know much about windows at all, and making statements like they are experts, its just ridiculous.

 

[Sesshi]

i feel same, especially when some ppl really don't know much about windows at all, and making statements like they are experts, its just ridiculous.

Which covers ~nine-tenths of Windows-related comments on this forum. Still, the kids need to keep themselves entertained somehow...

 

[bousozoku]

Which covers ~nine-tenths of Windows-related comments on this forum. Still, the kids need to keep themselves entertained somehow...

It covers both the Windows-related comments and the Mac-related comments.

It makes you wonder if these people are going to work in jobs of importance or they're just going straight to being bosses.

 

[The Stig]

Airbags

people claiming apple is the originator of all things really makes me hate these forums in a sense. apple implements features from others and gets copied from others big deal.

uh oh guys ford just implemented airbags. they are copying toyota. toyota needs to sue them...who cares if its for the better of the industry and for saftey purposes.

*i do not know who first did airbags*

The airbag as known today was invented by John W. Hetrick in 1952 and he patented the device the following year. Hetrick came up with the idea to help protect his own family using expertise from his naval engineering days.

The American inventor Allen Breed then developed a key component for automotive use - the ball-in-tube sensor for crash detection. He marketed this innovation first in 1967 to Chrysler.

 

[MacVault]

Heck!... I wish Apple would start copying Microsoft.. like in these areas...

• Windows Home Server
• Microsoft Money
• Active Directory
• Group Policy Objects
• DFS
• SQL Server
• Sharepoint
• Exchange
• Outlook
• Backspace key on keyboard
• Networking & file sharing that actually works
• Right-click menus in every conceivable place
• The help system question marks
• Full-screen windows
• Snappy finder

etc. etc. etc.

 

[Willis]

Actually, Ford tested them out first, followed by GM, etc.

Ford did test them, but no one bought the cars.

Mercesdes Benz, much like all car technology, were the first to impliment such features such as ABS, Traction control, Airbags, cruise control, etc. in the S-Class Saloons

 

[After G]

Heck!... I wish Apple would start copying Microsoft.. like in these areas...

• Windows Home Server
• Microsoft Money
• Active Directory
• Group Policy Objects
• SQL Server
• Sharepoint
• Exchange
• Outlook
• Backspace key on keyboard
• Networking & file sharing that actually works
• Right-click menus in every conceivable place
• The help system question marks
• Full-screen windows
• Snappy finder

etc. etc. etc.

I want Apple to improve its enterprise functionality more, but not down to straight copying Windows. For all the useful functionality in the enterprise brought by Windows, I believe those ideas can be implemented better by Apple. The list above sounds more like the Windows way than a list of functionality which is inherently better on Windows that that on Mac OS X.

I'm watching the Bill Gates keynote and they're showing off a feature called shadow copy and it restores old version of documents. The guy said "It's better than going back in time.", which is a direct diss at Time Machine.

that's gotta be some sort of copying.

Apple is the first (as far as I know) to bring it to consumers. Even if Microsoft came out with it first, as someone mentioned above, in Server 2003, they did it for the enterprise. If it's in Vista, I'll give the nod to MS.

And why would MS have to diss Time Machine if they came out with the functionality first? Apple will probably do it better anyway

 

[yg17]

Yeah, MS definitely had this first. And after using Shadow Copy on some DFS shares at work, I must say, it works very well and I hope Time Machine is just as good.

 

[nsjoker]

I want Apple to improve its enterprise functionality more, but not down to straight copying Windows. For all the useful functionality in the enterprise brought by Windows, I believe those ideas can be implemented better by Apple. The list above sounds more like the Windows way than a list of functionality which is inherently better on Windows that that on Mac OS X.

Apple is the first (as far as I know) to bring it to consumers. Even if Microsoft came out with it first, as someone mentioned above, in Server 2003, they did it for the enterprise. If it's in Vista, I'll give the nod to MS.

And why would MS have to diss Time Machine if they came out with the functionality first? Apple will probably do it better anyway

Negative. I'm with Shadow Copy on this one. Time Machine requires another HD to work.. and actually makes copies of each file change which uses up a lot of disk space and is inefficient. Shadow Copy will work on your primary HD and seems to use some sort of CVS technology.

Also, the UI for Time Machine seems a bit over-the-top, not the usual cool-yet functional design Apple excels at.

 

[ddekker]

am I missing something? Vista has this feature and is released... I have the newest mmac OS X on my laptop and I don't have this time machine thingy... or do I and just don't know where or how to use it?

DD

 

[Sesshi]

am I missing something? Vista has this feature and is released... I have the newest mmac OS X on my laptop and I don't have this time machine thingy... or do I and just don't know where or how to use it?

DD

No. Dedicated Apple users tend to talk of the future (as long as His Jobsness has decreed it so) as now. Don't worry about it.

Exhibit A would be the hype for something that's 6 months into the future - Sony created the original Playstation and Microsoft created the Zune in not much longer and it is enough time for a competitor resourceful enough to come up with something that at least puts up a fair fight, just a few months into the release of the iPhone.

 

[skunk]

Mercesdes Benz, much like all car technology, were the first to impliment such features such as ABS, Traction control, Airbags, cruise control, etc. in the S-Class Saloons

Surely ABS was pioneered in the form of the Dunlop Maxaret braking system on aircraft, then used by Jensen in the Interceptor FF, circa 1967, if I remember correctly?
Or maybe I'm talking out of my arse...

 

[MacBoobsPro]

The guy said "It's better than going back in time.", which is a direct diss at Time Machine.

Have you seen how complicated it is to use?

Also Microsoft are still in the past with 10.4... er... i mean Vista so thats saying a lot.

I got bored of watching the video so didnt watch it all the way through but I did find it funny when they stop for applause and they dont get any. Infact at one point the guy doing the time machine thing actually stopped and said "what, no applause?"

Excruciating to watch but funny as hell!

 

[iW00t]

I'm watching the Bill Gates keynote and they're showing off a feature called shadow copy and it restores old version of documents. The guy said "It's better than going back in time.", which is a direct diss at Time Machine.

that's gotta be some sort of copying.

Actually I hate to say this but shadow copy is a much more advanced (and useful) implementation that time machine. Time machine only backs up once daily. Unlike Steve most people are probably a lot more productive than that, a day's work can be a lot of work, stuff that is potentially unbacked up and at risk.

Shadow copy saves every alteration, it is much much better than what TM is made out to be. Of course we never know... besides Spotlight added some file update hooks into the OS already, trivial for Apple to just make TM save it on a per modification basis.

 

[Sesshi]

Have you seen how complicated it is to use?

You set your shadow copy schedule by using a few tickboxes and drop-down menus. You right-click on a folder, click on a tab and click a couple buttons to restore. Yeah... really complicated.

The problem is partially Microsoft staff's inability to be as slick as Jobs.