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Windows goes and gets those now

Windows has always 'gone and got those' drivers, but that doesn't make it any less of a mess.
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Windows just works. Not anti-Mac at all, but for me Windows works better.

You're used to the way Windows works, and not used to the way Macs work. Many windows users in my office are the same way.

Windows people generally have 100 icons on their screen, a mess of windows open, hard time finding the apps on the bottom of the screen, and mac users are generally better organized on the screen, less than 10 icons on the screen, swipe back and forth between apps easier and cleaner. It's just what I've noticed now and in the past 20 years. Might be that most windows users are not technically savvy - because most windows users don't care about computers and OSs in general - they just use what they're given at their office, because Windows dominates.
 
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Windows has always 'gone and got those' drivers, but that doesn't make it any less of a mess.

Your right but not all of them..

I just put W10 on my kids box and it grabbed all them RAID drivers, WIFI, MB drivers, graphics drivers the whole lot it didn't grab all of those when I put W7 on that box.
 
Windows has always 'gone and got those' drivers, but that doesn't make it any less of a mess.
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You're used to the way Windows works, and not used to the way Macs work. Many windows users in my office are the same way.

Windows people generally have 100 icons on their screen, a mess of windows open, hard time finding the apps on the bottom of the screen, and mac users are generally better organized on the screen, less than 10 icons on the screen, swipe back and forth between apps easier and cleaner. It's just what I've noticed now and in the past 20 years. Might be that most windows users are not technically savvy - because most windows users don't care about computers and OSs in general - they just use what they're given at their office, because Windows dominates.
Basically this post is just a generalization.
 
The recent Apple launch was weak sauce. It's time for them to release a 17" MacBook Pro that has a detachable screen and runs OSX with all the touch capabilities of an iPad. The pencil can be smaller and concealed in a slot (like the good old palm pilot). 5K Display. SSD. Robust CPU/GPU.

Retail price $3,499.
 
At the end of the day, I think most professional artists are still going to prefer a solution that is:

• separate from the desktop computer hardware itself
• more flexible in terms of mounts/positioning/rotation

But it isn't the end of the day. It looks like Microsoft is already having trouble keeping up with the demand. Nice problem to have.
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After getting to play with the entry level one for a few hours, I was kind of disappointed.

I had seriously pondered replacing my Cintiq with the Studio, but between the input lag for the stylus, iffy pressure sensitivity and palm rejection, I'm probably going to wait a generation or two.
I had a different experience.
I own two Cintiq's, the older 21ux desktop model and the Windows Cintiq Companion 1, and several of their Intuos Pads (even a very old one that used an RS-232C connector).

So, I've been a Wacom customer for a long time, but...
I tried the Surface Studio in a Microsoft store and I liked it a lot. To me, it felt great drawing on it, much like a marker on smooth paper, with just a nice little grip that the rubber tip gives. I couldn't detect any lag. The pressure sensitivity on the light side isn't so perfect as the Wacom pens, but it does seem good enough. Palm rejection was absolutely perfect in my own tests. The screen is superior to any Cintiq I've seen, and it does seem to make it kind of exciting to work on.
I tested on the base model, i5 8GB.

One Caveat - I didn't get to try it with Adobe Illustrator, which is my application of choice.
What application were you using when you experienced lag?
 
But it isn't the end of the day. It looks like Microsoft is already having trouble keeping up with the demand. Nice problem to have.
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I had a different experience.
I own two Cintiq's, the older 21ux desktop model and the Windows Cintiq Companion 1, and several of their Intuos Pads (even a very old one that used an RS-232C connector).

So, I've been a Wacom customer for a long time, but...
I tried the Surface Studio in a Microsoft store and I liked it a lot. To me, it felt great drawing on it, much like a marker on smooth paper, with just a nice little grip that the rubber tip gives. I couldn't detect any lag. The pressure sensitivity on the light side isn't so perfect as the Wacom pens, but it does seem good enough. Palm rejection was absolutely perfect in my own tests. The screen is superior to any Cintiq I've seen, and it does seem to make it kind of exciting to work on.
I tested on the base model, i5 8GB.

One Caveat - I didn't get to try it with Adobe Illustrator, which is my application of choice.
What application were you using when you experienced lag?
People have accused Apple on these forums of dialing back iPhone 7 production(for various reasons). Maybe Microsoft is doing the same thing to create an illusion of demand. /s
 
But it isn't the end of the day. It looks like Microsoft is already having trouble keeping up with the demand. Nice problem to have.
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I had a different experience.
I own two Cintiq's, the older 21ux desktop model and the Windows Cintiq Companion 1, and several of their Intuos Pads (even a very old one that used an RS-232C connector).

So, I've been a Wacom customer for a long time, but...
I tried the Surface Studio in a Microsoft store and I liked it a lot. To me, it felt great drawing on it, much like a marker on smooth paper, with just a nice little grip that the rubber tip gives. I couldn't detect any lag. The pressure sensitivity on the light side isn't so perfect as the Wacom pens, but it does seem good enough. Palm rejection was absolutely perfect in my own tests. The screen is superior to any Cintiq I've seen, and it does seem to make it kind of exciting to work on.
I tested on the base model, i5 8GB.

One Caveat - I didn't get to try it with Adobe Illustrator, which is my application of choice.
What application were you using when you experienced lag?

Photoshop and Clip Studio Pro.

Photoshop more so, especially when set to full screen. I was sketching some character designs, and between the fact that I'd be done with a pass of the stylus before the line showed up and the extra lines when my hand would occasionally hit the screen, I decided to stick with my MBP/27HD combo.

You have my condolences, the brief time I had a Companion, I wanted to throw it at a wall.
 
I ran exclusively Windows for the last 4 months (waited for the 2016 MBP).

Windows 10 look nice on the surface (pun unintended), but it's still the same messy OS as it ever was, even more so than before since now you have new "touch friendly" settings and all the old system panels that sometimes goes back to Windows 95 days.

Start menu is still a huge mess to manage, control panel is still a huge huge mess where you need to remember weird path to get to the actual controls you want.

It's a kid's room where everything have been shoved under the bed. Looks clean, but good luck when you are looking for something.

Windows 10, Windows 7, Windows XP, same mess.

(Yes I use my windows computer everyday, cause I have to)

I like MacOs much more than Windows 10, but the applications are pretty much the same.
I could wish that Apple had created the "MacArtist Studio" but they're not seeing past their bottom line these days.
 
Is it really that innovative? I don't see it myself. Kudos to MS for having a very high quality pressure sensitive touch screen at that size, but that's about all there is to get excited about. MS has actually gimped the ability for this to be used by professional artists since the screen is permanently attached to computer hardware that sits in a separate box. It can't be rotated. It's not as flexible for angle or positioning as a drawing screen attached to a swing arm. I think MS chose the drafting table style limitation simply because they didn't really know how to efficiently get the computer hardware inside the screen itself, or simply didn't want users to be able to attach the screen to a non-Windows computer.

Compare that to the iPad Pro, where Apple innovated by NOT using a pressure sensitive screen. Instead, they combined customized hardware in the Apple Pencil + customized hardware inside the tablet itself to create a drawing experience that is superior (and likely cheaper/lighter) than using a pressure sensitive screen.

The iPad Pro can't run the software that artists use and want. it's a major problem and will keep it from being widely accepted by artists. This is the reason that everyone is still looking for devices like the Microsoft Surface product line. You can see that the Surface Studio is generating a lot of excitement and interest. And you can also see that there is a lack of excitement around the iPad Pro. The iPad Pro is a good product, held back by not using an Intel processor, and consequently, running iOS instead of MacOS. That leaves out Adobe, and the iPad Pro is unlikely to capture the same market that Surface does, without Adobe. That left the door open for Microsoft and it's why there's so much buzz around Surface Studio. Check out this artist's take on the Surface Studio :
https://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2016/10/26/the-surface-studio
 
Anyone know if there will be any Blackfriday deals somewhere for one to purchase the new Surface Studio?
 
Knowing Apple, the problem I see with them doing a 27' iMac with Touchscreen/Apple pencil support is that it would kind of mean they would have somehow to "adapt" macOS to Touch and that would necessarily be sub par and relatively crappy. And it would go against their overall philosophy of having different OSes for different user input method, a philosophy that served them very well and imo will continue to do so in the future.

iOS and macOS are better by not trying to be everything for everyone.

And building a complete all-in-one iMac with Touchscreen without having a touch OS would be very weird for Apple, because consumers kind of expect of Apple a complete integration of hardware and software.

However, what I could very well see them do is basically ship an Apple made external monitor with touch screen / apple pencil. This way I can see them only supporting Apple Pencil and touch as a "compromise" in macOS, being mostly useful in creative apps.

Also, Wacom really need competition.
 
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It will be a 27" iPad Pro with VESA mount or stand of some sort cause they would never wanna eat their words on NOT doing an iMac with a touchscreen. :p
 
can't understand what you say, new Macbok Pro, best macbook yet, fantastic and slimer and softer than ever has a brand new super usefull tool , touchbar, which you can use to adjust your volume and magical stuff like that.

behold the future of the computer!!!
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Apple is just a money juice squeeze company, and is the best at this.
they did a price cut out for adapters and all media makes eco of that. impressive
"impressive"... if the definition of impressive equals evil. Apple ceased caring about its customer base years ago. Its all about making planned obsolescence iToys for them. The professional or family users have been kicked to the curb.
 
"impressive"... if the definition of impressive equals evil. Apple ceased caring about its customer base years ago. Its all about making planned obsolescence iToys for them. The professional or family users have been kicked to the curb.
The counter point is that planned obsolescence is a tin foil hat theory and Apple does care about its customers as evidenced that they are still raking in the money. With hundreds of millions of customers they won't be able to please everybody.
 
I wouldn't switch, but I would buy it and use it for work too. Great tool for us musicians too, plus I could actually game on it; win win.
 
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