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Plus - You are going to need to see a Chiropractor every week if you use it the way they demonstrate in their YouTube videos!
I have wondered about how easy it is to use, as well. If I placed it close enough to easily draw on it, I would lose a ton of desktop space. If you leave it farther away, which would still plant it in the middle of my desk, you end up having to hunch over it and extend your arms. It looks like it would waste a lot of desk space and/or end up killing your back.

I do like the idea, I just don't see how that would be practical for most people. I would have to rethink my entire desk setup, keyboard/mouse placement, speakers, cables, etc.. It looks like you need a desk with just the computer and a keyboard you can slide out of the way. I think it would work better on a desk mount or wall mount, but hard to say because the mounts available now may not hold up to pushing down on them at that angle.

I am looking forward to seeing this in some (user as opposed to reviewer) Youtube setup videos to see how people end up placing and using these things. If you bought one, and don't just have a narrow desk with nothing on it, I would love to see a video of how you integrated into your setup. Maybe the commercials make it appear harder to place/use than it is in reality.
 
still this is not an imac competitor but wacom ! if you are not a designer you pay more for nothing useful

This is based on your limited view, so it's far from absolute. Just because you can't see other possibilities, don't assume nobody else can, cuz I assure you there are many clever and resourceful people out there.
 
If Microsoft keeps developing its strengths here, some of Apple's most loyal customers might well be tempted to switch camps.

Why doesn't the media understand a majority of the reason Apple users prefer Apple products is the Apple OS? I don't care how cool the hardware is if it runs windows. I use Windows at work and I can't wait to get home to my iMac. I just don't care for Windows.
 
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Great computer but it still runs windows, I can't stand windows.

I use both windows and OSX every day and I have to say that I like windows 10 quite a bit more than OSX overall. There are pros and cons to both, but overall I'm impressed at how MS has reinvented itself.

Unfortunately Apple seems more intent on seeing how margin squeeze from their loyal customers who have bought into the Apple only brand loyalty. The latest macbook "pro" is a joke. It would cost virtually nothing to include the extra ports that a "pro" user would expect. Now the more pro you are, the more expensive dongles you'll need. They've taken out functionality and cranked the price up.
 
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Why doesn't the media understand a majority of the reason Apple users prefer Apple products is the Apple OS? I don't care how cool the hardware is if it runs windows. I use Windows at work and I can't wait to get home to my iMac. I just don't care for Windows.
I have the same feelings and I also use Windows at work. I have a new Windows laptop at home (got it for free) and still use my old 2011 MBP and iMac for everything.

I don't think this is a practical desktop for most people, either. It is more of a niche. The Surface Pro or Book make more sense if you want to draw since they are easier to move around. I do wish Apple would add Pencil input into some apps on MacOS, though. I could care less about using touch (like on the iPad) with my laptop, but I would like to be able to touch up photos with the Pencil since Photoshop doesn't run on iOS.
 
It's a great design and they have outdone Mac designers this year with innovation - but it runs Windows!

This is really only meant for designers / creative people on top whack salaries. I imagine architects would use it to show off.

Plus - You are going to need to see a Chiropractor every week if you use it the way they demonstrate in their YouTube videos!
We have an animation studio with over 200 people using Cintiqs with Macs. Wages are not what you think they are. It's a hire by project industry. There are very, very few "rich" animators in the world. There are no chiropractors at the studio.
 
Why doesn't the media understand a majority of the reason Apple users prefer Apple products is the Apple OS? I don't care how cool the hardware is if it runs windows. I use Windows at work and I can't wait to get home to my iMac. I just don't care for Windows.

This.
 
Apple needs to get its sh together.
Apple no longer is the innovator it once was.
It's product no longer justifies its high pricing.
 
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I actually like the base of this more than the iMac I think. It makes more sense to have the ports/cables coming out of the bottom, near the desk, than it does to have them hanging/dangling from the air like they do on the iMac.

Unless you hang the iMac using the vesa mount. Which I guess would defeat the purpose of the Surface machine, but I don't think you can.
 
We have an animation studio with over 200 people using Cintiqs with Macs. Wages are not what you think they are. It's a hire by project industry. There are very, very few "rich" animators in the world. There are no chiropractors at the studio.

That's fascinating to hear but not surprised with the cintiqs. If I was in art school again, I'd love to get my hands on that. But we used the the old school wacoms back then.

Are you guys using Toon Boom for this work?
 
Apple Fan mentality.....
Touchscreen on a desktop is a gimmick .....until Apple Does it.
Waterproofing on phones is a gimmick until .....Apple does it.
Large 5"+ screens on a phone is a gimmick until ......Apple does it.
Stylus on Tablets is a gimmick until .....Apple does it.
So on and so forth......
 
Apple Fan mentality.....
Touchscreen on a desktop is a gimmick .....until Apple Does it.
Waterproofing on phones is a gimmick until .....Apple does it.
Large 5"+ screens on a phone is a gimmick until ......Apple does it.
Stylus on Tablets is a gimmick until .....Apple does it.
So on and so forth......

You forgot my friend.

Dongles are gimmicks until .....Apple does it.
 
Microsoft won't be sleeping forever. They are beginning to wake up. This device is more innovation than Apple has brought since the iPhone...

Still runs Windows which means this device will never find its way to my studio. But as they prove with hardware, they aren't sleeping and soon the software WILL follow. And then its game over Apple - if they continue their current non-innovative path and their loosing control over their iPhones with non-ready iOS software....
 
Not even slightly tempted. I would get an actual desktop (Mac or PC) if I was paying $3K not a tablet.
That $3000 all in one is not a tablet, comparable to an iMac.

I gave up buying all in ones years ago. Seemed so wasteful replacing a screen when you needed a new one.

(I do buy laptops...oooh the irony)
 
Have you tried Windows 10? I wouldn't go as far as saying it's better than macOS, but between Apple inexplicably removing useful features from OS X and Microsoft adding a lot of useful features between Windows 7 and 10, I don't miss macOS that much.

God I wish it had columns view in Explorer... I've tried a few unofficial Explorer alternatives that have a columns view, but they're all broken in other ways. I have an experimental file browser I've written (cross platform) which has something that blows columns view away... but I don't have the time/resources to actually polish it enough to use it on a daily basis.

Well, I have run Windows 10. It still sucks and in some ways more so. If I ever don't buy a Mac, I'll probably just go back to linux.
 
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I am a big fan of the SP4, but this surface studio seems too niche, whilst the iPad was testimony to creating a paradigm shift in digital interfacing, the surface studio will likely be utilised by pros and surface loyalists.

I have olny had my SP4 for a few months.

TL;DR got a cheap 2nd hand SP4 to try out, and absolutely love it!

Background:
I have used OSX as my home OS since 2005; when I had 3 laptops die within 3 months, and PC world 'technical' support was as ever efficient, courteous and helpful. I was finally given a full refund and bought my first mac. Never looked back.

The surface is the first windows machine that I have used at home since 2005, work being the NHS crippled vista nightmare. Having sworn to never use MS OS again [at home], I slowly immersed myself into OSX. Ive pretty much been through ever mac, and settled with mac pro at homes, and MBP for travel, light browsing around the house, which i could also take out on the fly. I have pretty much ever iphone and ipad since release [usually sell on ebay or donate to eagerly awaiting family members]. My iMac has replaced my mac pro,it was really for gaming.

I now have a 2013 rMBP, 2016 5k Imac, ipad pro 9.7, iphone 6s [iphone 6 as backup phone], nexus 7, Qnap server, smart hub on TV. I live alone and have 7 devices, thus i wanted to rationalise this gluttony of electronics. As i needed to increasingly work away from home: I would stay at work till late to avoid the traffic + spending 2-3 days a month at another city. I decided to get a IPP 9.7 [better screen edged it over pro) and my imac, i was to give my rMBP and mac mini away.

6 months after this affair, I tried everything to make the IPP a machine to work from, from MS office for osx, to Qsync and icloud, i just could not find a solution that worked. I brought the official keyboard [returned as I found it cluttered, poor response and hideous], settling on the slim book for zagg {excellent response, typing, back-lit keys, let down by it's weight and the fact it's prone to breaking at the dock connector), i had the apple pencil (lost it on the tube = literally fell between the gap of the platform and the carriage as it so slippery - ps mind the gap is my new trigger word; why did apple not create a magnetic or a better docking solution, the real work is not Cupertino space craft. The ipad is a great device to browse, write a few emails, basic word processing/excel, i even used it for light gaming and to watch films when away. For my needs, the IPP just could not replace my rMBP, whilst it came close, and there were several nuances to using the device in a professional capacity. What was nice was the seamless integration that apple has been working on over the past 3/4 years, osx 10 and sierra work so well together.

After much searching the forums and deliberations i pulled the trigger on a SP4. I had refused to buy the ip7+ for £800 and used the money saved on the SP4. Furthermore, I had been using windows 10 on my imac for over a year, due to some programmes being exclusive to windows, and legacy gaming like CnC, as the mac versions are never as good and I had several issues on running them on Parallels Desktop. The first thing i noticed was how fast windows ran on the SP4, i had the i5/256 gb model and it was incredibly snappy. It took a while to get used to windows again, the paucity of apps, when to use touch, trackpad, or stylus, and it's quite heavy and bulky compared to my anaemic IPP 9.7. I had exclusively used Evernote premium and had to get to grips with one note to fully appreciate the functionality of the SP4. I now had full office, could use multiple programs and do simple things without 3rd party apps. Whilst OSX remains my preferred os overall, there is little comparison between ios vs win10, one is for smart phones, the other for computing in every sense of the word. The SP4 is superb for gaming also, I use an external 500gb Samsung evo SSD for gaming, storage, and a 2nd HDD as needed; i tried a SD card, but I get ~450 +/- read/write on an external SSD. I found the writing with the MS pen as good if not better than the apple pencil, and i loved the oneclick function to open a note on one note. The main drawback os the SP4 has been the lack of osx/ios seamless integration that I became accustomed to,

I believe the refusal of apple to create a hybrid device like the SP4, or to create a touch-enabled osx for such devices [i fully agree that an imac touch would be useless for my needs], is primarily due to economics. Apple have an established tablet market and a growing laptop market, both the macbook and ipads were revolutionary devices, and out of fear that a hybrid device may cannibalise their sales, ie reducing profits. TBH, most people don't need an ipad and a mbp, a single device could do both, and as it stands ios falls so far short of MS, let alone osx. As an apple customer for over 12 years, since Cook and Ive have taken the helm at apple, the focus seems more on design, slimness, and $$$. However, the surreptitious nature on how apple tries to squeeze out $$$ is getting ever more brazen, from non-upgradeable custom SSDs, soldered ram, custom ports, steep price hikes on 3-year-old tech, they appear to have forsaken their loyal and long term customers, for a short term boost in $$$; albeit eroding their reputation amongst us fanboys. Yes, apple do currently captivate the masses + certainly a hit product amongst the masses, by milking the masses they forget that whilst amounting huge $$$ surpluses in the short term, tomorrow they may no longer have the hip product and may have fallen out of favour with the fanboys. Their basic 13" MBP now starts just shy of £1500, which is a huge price hike for what you're getting, gimmicky touch id bar or not.
 
This thing is gorgeous - that screen is unbelievable. But if it's used for the graphics work it's intended for, the $3000 option is crippled. Compared to the $4200 option, three years ago I got a PC with a (slightly) faster processor, the same RAM, three times the SDD space, and the same HDD space. For $900.

I've never wanted to Microsoft-branded product before, but I'd really be tempted even at $3000, it looks like a fantastic design. But $4200 is crazy. Drat.
 
I haven't been a windows user since about 2003 so I cannot comment on the OS but my god its a nice looking bit of kit!!
 
I haven't been a windows user since about 2003 so I cannot comment on the OS but my god its a nice looking bit of kit!!

sure is. 28-inch screen ? Don't think you can hold that with one hand comfortably . Its like a portable drawing board.

only took us what a few hundred years.

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Long time windows user, mid term mac user here.

First they should collect all setting screens that spread all over the system in one place.

Then they must learn to render font better and more beatifully.

And then they have to correct that update system that ruins all pc plans that you have for the evening, work etc.

It's not only the hardware, it's also software.
 
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We have an animation studio with over 200 people using Cintiqs with Macs. Wages are not what you think they are. It's a hire by project industry. There are very, very few "rich" animators in the world. There are no chiropractors at the studio.

No but you'll need to see one if you use this!
 
that's so great, this seems the heaven , Apple never will get there though, and if do, I guess they'll do it with their pen technology...

wacom has unveiled new penpro 2 which promise to be a next step far from their competitors


I have surface pro 3, with windows 10 up to date, and can say that windows stills being the failure software is's been for the last 20 years. everything's a mess and works half the time, alerts and auto updates are a PITA, touch screen keyboard wont auto appear on chrome, pixel density HiDpi is handled as hell by the OS, is app dependant so aps only have 2 modes, super big or super small size..., as if no one in microsoft ever realized what is or how to use it, today, 2016, and still there... on screen password no always works, many times fullscreen videos keep full screen and is not possible go out without a physical "ESC" key... an so on...

it seems like a cheap fake counterpart of an OS. sorry by but this is true, I'd really like to use windows 10 because I LOVE the surface Pro concept, but its not working as it should, as windows never will do if they keep doing things as this.

seriously, Apple knows this but they are taking all the money possible from their iPad toy.

Wacom Motion Studio Pro seems a dream , but just with the crap windows thing inside.
 
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