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I just think its a price issue. .

Partially, however I wouldn't buy one at half the price at the moment.

Its also a lack of killer feature issue.

Both iOS and Android have a way bigger application library.

The keyboard is a step on the wrong direction. In typical microsoft fashion, they've attempted to tick every feature tick box (and do everything in a mediocre way) rather than build a specialised device that does its chosen job WELL.

No one really wants a tablet with a keyboard (well, not one that attaches like that at least) - you can't use one when using the tablet like a tablet. If you want to use a keyboard for bulk data entry, you use your laptop - as you need to use the surface like a laptop with the keyboard anyway.


The only people who will be interested in surface are corporate types. But even there, microsoft screwed up. Not only has the multiple versions created customer confusion...

The RT version can't be managed in a domain environment. Which leaves the Pro, which is way too expensive and has garbage battery life. 4-5 hours just is NOT GOOD ENOUGH for a tablet. Part of the appeal of the tablet is that they work for way longer than a laptop...

MS should have ditched ARM, ditched the i5 in the pro, and just built a single version with an Atom in it which ran full x86 Windows 8 (and able to be managed on a domain) and got half decent battery life.
 
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Yes but it's pretty obvious that the Apple cover is not integral to the experience the way Microsoft is trying to push their cover.

Really? It took up a significant portion of the iPad 2 keynote, was advertised heavily and for personally I find it is an important aspect of the iPad experience. I recently lost my smart cover and have found using the iPad without it a bit awkward.

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Partially, however I wouldn't buy one at half the price at the moment.

Its also a lack of killer feature issue.

Both iOS and Android have a way bigger application library.

The keyboard is a step on the wrong direction. In typical microsoft fashion, they've attempted to tick every feature tick box (and do everything in a mediocre way) rather than build a specialised device that does its chosen job WELL.

No one really wants a tablet with a keyboard - you can't use one when using the tablet like a tablet. If you want to use a keyboard for bulk data entry, you use your laptop - as you need to use the surface like a laptop with the keyboard anyway.

Microsoft's point was that you can't WORK on a tablet. The point of the Surface is to be the first tablet that you can work on.

The market has decided that they don't want to work on their tablets which kind of proves that the post-PC era is a bit of a farce and we're going to be using PCs for a while yet.
 
Microsoft's point was that you can't WORK on a tablet. The point of the Surface is to be the first tablet that you can work on.

They could have made it so, but they screwed up on the CPU selections. An ATOM is plenty fast enough for most people, especially the work they'd be doing on a tablet style device.

I amended my above post with further details...

I am actually about to trial working on an iPad at work via VMware View. Just waiting for my keyboard and VGA adapter to arrive.
 
They could have made it so, but they screwed up on the CPU selections. An ATOM is plenty fast enough for most people, especially the work they'd be doing on a tablet style device.

I amended my above post with further details...

I am actually about to trial working on an iPad at work via VMware View. Just waiting for my keyboard and VGA adapter to arrive.

Yeah I think the i5 is overkill. They should have aimed for 9+ hours battery life at least. You could tell they weren't happy about the battery life considering the fact that it was only revealed after someone asked them on Twitter.

Hope working on the iPad works out! I think it's possible with accessories and having an iPad has allowed me to ditch the 13 inch MacBook form factor and get a full 15 inch laptop, however I still prefer a laptop to a tablet for anything more than casual note-taking.
 
I personally feel that part of the issue is that people are looking at the Surface/RT devices and comparing them with the iPad/Android tablets. You can't really pigeon-hole the Surface RT - with a fully functional operating system behind it, it's more than just another content consumption/entertainment tablet and yet with the hardware limitations imposed by the ARM architecture, it's by no means a laptop replacement.

It's something else.

I've had the iPad (the original first gen and then the iPad 2) since release. When they first came out, they were impressive devices and in my mind, the possibilities were endless. However, they were not endless - at the end of the day, the iPad (and the similar Android tablets) run what is essentially a smartphone OS designed primarily with content/entertainment in mind. That's not necessarily bad thing is that's your primary requirement - for me, the iPad only gets used as a movie player on long flights (where the in-flight entertainment may not be up to the task) and as a portable web browser. That's it.

The limitations of the iPad have always resulted in me needing to take a laptop on previous trips - even with a 64Gb model, there's no way I could use an iPad in my photography workflow (import photos, edit, export) - on my trip to Asia last year, I had nearly 50Gb of photos (including raw files) to process and this year's Kenya trip, more than that - even removing all of my videos and existing content wouldn't have left enough room. Next year's trip to Costa Rica, I'll be ditching both the iPad and the laptop and taking the Surface RT - with a photo editing app, a multi-card reader (for compact flash and SDXC) and an external USB HDD, I'll be able to do what I need to do quickly and easily.

Another short business trip to Israel this year, I could have just done with a light device capable of editing and displaying PowerPoint presentations, exporting the files to USB for the audience, and starting a remote desktop session into a remote server (using the a wireless mouse to navigate the server desktop and being able to seamlessly multi task between the presentation and the RDP session) so again, I needed to take the laptop. The next time I have this requirement, I can do it all on the Surface.

There are probably ways to get perform the above actions on the ipad and Android (e.g. using third party apps and something like a Wi-Drive) but it's by no means a smooth and easy process. In my mind, without file management and proper multitasking, the iPad is like a toy compared to the Surface which takes me back to my first point - it's like comparing apples to oranges.

As for the constant references (in various reviews and forums) to the limited number of apps in the Windows app store, I believe I read somewhere recently that the app store had more apps on it by the end of the first month than both the iPad (not counting scaled up iPhone apps) and Android tablets. Those eco-systems may now have millions of apps but they have a few years of a head start. I distinctly remember getting my first iPad and having very little on it but a couple of the initial iPad apps and a bunch of iPhone apps which looked pretty terrible.

Additionally, people are comparing RT to iOS and Android. You don't need apps for some of these things - e.g. Facebook, Twitter, Wikipedia, YouTube etc. Remember that RT is a fully featured OS with a proper browser experience (including Flash of which I'll admit I am not a fan of) - you don't need these apps on your windows MacOS environment, so do we really need apps for these on RT? On other tablets there are limitations that necessitation dedicated apps (e.g. not being able to access the file system) but not here.

Anyway, I've got a Surface RT 64Gb (with a 64Gb Sandisk Ultra MicroSDXC) on the way - this may not work out (as happened when I tried the Galaxy S3 over an iPhone) but I'm optimistic that the benefits of the OS will outweigh any of the disadvantages.

1. Excellent post from an actual user :p

Personally, as fun as tablets are, I found more utility in having a laptop - and for the price range, the A15 Chromebooks more than fit the bill for that at $249. IMO MS won't be getting its true push of Windows 8 until the Surface Pros and is when I would seriously consider tablets to be a contender in this space.

No longer restricted to 'apps' and having fully-fleshed out x86 binaries - that is huge imo. When it comes to desktop applications vs. mobile/tablet apps, I would never do any serious work on apps.

*On that note, with Apple's push in having iOS features on the desktop in OSX, Apple too recognizes the importance of this singular experience. Nonetheless, that separation of apps vs. desktop application is blaringly obvious. You could argue that if Win8 devs made serious Metro apps for WinRT (alongside their Win 8 Pro work), then maybe the shift is already in place.

2. My opinion on any article that puts weight on 'twitter' research...not very high. Tweets/social media is only one area to analyze conversion rates, much less install base. It's irresponsible for anyone to take that part of the write-up remotely seriously :p

3. People continue to underestimate Atom in the mobile space (Medfield, and successor CloverTrail). Anand does bring up an excellent point, that without OEM contracts in place, it is hard to bring the hardware wins to the market smoothly. Heck, people underestimated Intel during the transition from G5's to Core2, it's no surprise to see that resistance against the current ARM environment.

But as someone who wants to see fully fleshed out tablets, I would definitely like to see a serious x86 alternative be successful. And atm, Win8 Surface Pro is the one that will have to make that push.

4. Someone commented on the kb - and I agree. Between the touch/type, it's obvious the type is superior. But yeah that cost should have been rolled into the default $499 price.
 
The problem I have with Surface (both RT and Pro), is that it when using one with a keyboard, what you have is basically a netbook -- small screen, cramped keyboard. Yes, it's a netbook that turns into a tablet, but personally, I never felt like I could do any real work on netbooks. For the same reason, I'm not into keyboard cases for the iPad. I just feel like if I need to do any heavy typing, I'll bring along my Air. That said, it's also true that right now, I don't need to do that much heavy typing in the first place. If I did need to do lots of typing on the go, I suspect an 11 inch Air will be my choice (I now have the 13 inch), and I'd bring along a mini. That's not to say I don't see the attraction of a single device that can do all -- I'm sure a single Surface is lighter than an Air+mini, though I'm too lazy to look up exactly how much they weigh. I'm just not convinced that any of the Win8 devices out there actually does all, and the Surface strikes me as the most glaring culpit of them all, a device that can't make up its mind whether it wants to be a tablet or a netbook.
 
Microsoft is off to a decent start I suppose, but this first release is NOT going to achieve any kind of parity with the iPad. They are going to have to keep at it, and keep pouring money down the hole, before they will get remotely close.

Isn't that what they did with the Xbox 360? It was only recently the sony made the PS3 profitable, and considering the George Hotz debacle, they pissed off a lot of geeks.

My point is, they only need to keep pouring money into something until a competitor's product becomes boring (the iPad is getting there) or they make a huge mistake. Then, once sales start picking up, release a newer revision of it to inspire confidence that they product will still get support for a while.
 
I think the Surface has been too harshly criticized and can be easily tweaked to a real winner.

My main issues:

1. Dump that Tegra 3 garbage ASAP and put in a higher performing ARM based chip. That will alleviate the sluggishness that appears with only a few apps running.

2. Include the damn keyboard at $499 and throw all notions that the Surface is a iPad competitor out the Window. It's not an iPad competitor, which has become clear to just about everyone at this point. It's an netbook and laptop competitor.

3. Completely eliminate desktop mode, and optimize the bundled Office for touch. Surface RT should completely usher in a new era and cut all ties to the old MSFT way of doing things.
 
Personally, I think they should NOT release an x86 surface at all. By forcing ARM for tablets, and still having x86 for desktops and laptops, they would have a clean, clear line for developers. x86 on a tablet is going to kill microsoft's future for a tablet line, because they will retain compatibility with old apps, which I see as enabling people to do old things with old methods on new hardware. This is a bad thing when entering an entirely new market. For people to love metro (or whatever they feel like calling it today), the developers need to have no choice but to develop for metro.
 
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