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I don't even understand how M$ gets away with such ridiculously restrictive licenses, or why so many M$ fanbois here defend them. It's as if GM charged Hertz 10 times the price they charge an individual for the same car, just because they will rent it to many people. Outrageous.

So a non-ridiculously restrictive license to you would be that MS charges for one license and then the licensee is free to distribute a copy to anyone?
Your car analogy is flawed, a car used for rental can only be used by one person at a time and in practice it DO cost more, it needs more service and don't last as long as a private car
 
I don’t need this service, but it was pretty neat... while it lasted.

Clearly MS wants to be paid in SOME way for all these free Office users. Maybe Microsoft needs to open up a new licensing option... but probably not a free one!

These licensing options have always been there. They're called Terminal Server licenses and Internet connector licenses. You just need to purchase them and then you don't have these problems. It really is that simple.

On the other hand, all those people that are already bitching about "Microsoft being to strict" with their licensing terms should read their Apple EULAs again if they want to see something that is REALLY restrictive. Apple is getting away with business models and licensing terms that Microsoft only has wet dreams about.
 
I don't even understand how M$ gets away with such ridiculously restrictive licenses,
Compared to Apple, who only license their software to run on their own hardware or a VM running on their OS on their hardware? You can use a Microsoft product on anything as long as you pay the appropriate fee, which in this case was probably only partially done.

The facts are thin on the ground but one would assume that the OS was licensed but not OnLive's implementation of the sharing nature of Office. I'm sure (as I have seen in the past) that MS will offer them an agreement that allows them to continue using the products with the correct license. After all MS's has a business model (they are quite open about it) of encouraging people to use free/cheap hosted Office products to encourage them to buy into the Windows/Server/Office ecosystem long term.

This is form their marketing FAQ for Outlook Live - Education (Live@edu):

Microsoft said:
Microsoft offers Live@edu to educational institutions at no cost to the institution as part of Microsoft's overall vision for the education sector and our Software and Services vision. Outlook Live offers most of the end user features available in Exchange Server and prepares students to familiarize themselves with tools they are likely to encounter in their future workforce <snip> and use them for life.
 
I've got no love for Microsoft, but I seriously can't believe that Onlive would pull a stunt like this. I naturally assumed they'd worked out an agreement with Microsoft beforehand. Hell, I might start a service letting people remotely use my Autodesk Smoke system if that's the case.
 
I find it hilarious that you're all slating Microsoft with their licensing, when Apple themselves are probably even more strict. I mean, Apple won't even let you run their OS on another platform!
 
Apple Fanbois actually care about about windows/MS rumours?
I'm suprised this out of all the windows/MS rumours out there, was chosen to be on the MacRumors website. Maybe the staff here like it who knows.

It seems a few people here are interested in it. Maybe there should be more windows/MS rumours here for them. Heck while you're at it why not change the name of the website to ITRumors.

That was sarcasm but I think you get my point.
 
Apple Fanbois actually care about about windows/MS rumours?
I'm suprised this out of all the windows/MS rumours out there, was chosen to be on the MacRumors website. Maybe the staff here like it who knows.

It seems a few people here are interested in it. Maybe there should be more windows/MS rumours here for them. Heck while you're at it why not change the name of the website to ITRumors.

That was sarcasm but I think you get my point.

I think the point is people are using this to run windows on iOS, so it's pretty reasonable for MacRumors to cover it.
 
Apple Fanbois actually care about about windows/MS rumours?

When it gives them an opportunity to bash MS they do. Even this they manage to twist into something against MS in their own heads.
Maybe I should paraphrase forum member marksman; displaying this kind of blind hate against a company on an internet forum seems kind of a mental illness.
 
These licensing options have always been there. They're called Terminal Server licenses and Internet connector licenses. You just need to purchase them and then you don't have these problems. It really is that simple.

On the other hand, all those people that are already bitching about "Microsoft being to strict" with their licensing terms should read their Apple EULAs again if they want to see something that is REALLY restrictive. Apple is getting away with business models and licensing terms that Microsoft only has wet dreams about.

Agree and disagree. Microsoft licenses software; that's its business. If a company uses Microsoft's software without having a proper license and without paying for that license, then surely Microsoft has every right in the world to stop them.

On the other hand, what do you feel is restrictive about Apple's SLA? Apart from the restriction that you are only allowed to run the software on an Apple-labeled computer? Apple's business is (mostly) selling hardware, Microsoft's business is (mostly) selling software, so Microsoft has a much bigger range of possible software licenses, but that doesn't make Apple's SLA restrictive.
 
Agree and disagree. Microsoft licenses software; that's its business. If a company uses Microsoft's software without having a proper license and without paying for that license, then surely Microsoft has every right in the world to stop them.

On the other hand, what do you feel is restrictive about Apple's SLA? Apart from the restriction that you are only allowed to run the software on an Apple-labeled computer? Apple's business is (mostly) selling hardware, Microsoft's business is (mostly) selling software, so Microsoft has a much bigger range of possible software licenses, but that doesn't make Apple's SLA restrictive.

Steve Jobs himself said on several occasions that fundamentally, Apple is a Software Company. Admittedly they put that software in pretty boxes (Thank-you Mr Ive!) but your iPhone/iPad/Mac is all about your interactivity with the OS and the Software that runs on that OS.

By having an OS that only runs on your own hardware and software that increasingly can only be purchased through an agreed and managed delivery system, you are MASSIVELY restricting your ecosystem.

That's before we enter things like the OS X EULA, which only permits one instance on one Apple Device at one time, plus one Cold Backup. According to Apple's own EULA (and I don't know how seriously they enforce it), OnLive could not legally serve-up a Virtual Instance of OS X + iWork to either an Apple or Windows device...Do we still call that less restrictive than MS?

By comparison, Microsoft allows Mobile Device Rights, Multiple Virtual Instances of the OS etc. IF the End User wants it (and usually after making the End User sign up to a whole heap of Software Assurance). What's more...that software can be installed on any x86 machine that is capable of running the software.

Apple creates a nice, safe sandbox to play in...but for most (and particularly the business world), the beauty of MS is in the flexibility of the Product Use Rights and the vastness of compatible software. Yes, this creates it's own problems, but we can't pretend for a second that Apple Products work for most businesses outside of the Marketing department and it's foolish to suggest Apple are in any way more progressive with their Licensing Model than the experts at Redmond.

OnLive has a good product, but needs to get in touch with their reseller and License it accordingly. Simple.

And if you think MS confuse the hell out of people with Licensing mumbo-jumbo just to make more money...you should hear me get started on the subject of Oracle and "Capacity Planning" Licensing. If MS used that model...OnLive would likely be on it's knees begging for mercy right now.
 
When it comes to Microsoft, yes, i believe that the licensing is horrific. Seriously, it costs so much money to license Windows and Office for every computer in a company. There is no need for an Volume License of Office to cost 500 dollars for the professional for each user, or 20 dollars for each client to use Live Communicator, or 25 dollars for client access licenses. Microsoft may and I do stress may have some nice software, but for what thy charge, it is a rip off. And they charge it because they know they have the Industry. Open Office an Linux are great, but really, how many companies use it? It is all Windows and Office.

I wish that Mac, Linux, and Open Office would pick up steam and begin to take over Microsofts market share. Maybe then their pricing would then be more competitive.

This is the best take on the underlying situation so far. So what's with all the negative votes? Every statement here is accurate and relevant. Microsoft do indeed operate a monopoly and behave as a monopoly.

Everyone generally agrees that competition is healthy, and particularly healthy where one company has dominated the scene for so long. It's over 30 years in Microsoft's case. So, again, what's with all the negative votes?

OnLive has a great service here. Sure it will help sell millions of iPads to current Windows PC users, but that's happening anyway. There's no turning this tide now. In theory, more iPad sales is potentially very bad for Windows 8 tablet sales. But Windows 8 tablets are thus far vaporware, with no believable roadmap for the promised full operating system on a tablet, meaning that OnLive's service is actually a win for MS, not a real threat. Even when there are credible Windows 8 tablets, they won't sell because Microsoft has slipped into third place in people's preferences. This is the consequence of standing still for 11 years. We've all lost confidence in them.

So, the intelligent thing for Microsoft to do is negotiate a deal with OnLive and treat them as a client. A new type of client maybe, and one that relies upon a rival platform, but a way of helping Windows and Office etc maintain their places in people's work lives in the post PC era.

Both Gates and Ballmer predicted and trumpeted tablets several times - without ever working out how to make them happen. They failed. And no, this is not a simple matter of missing first mover advantage. They failed and Apple won.

Sure there are also many Android OEMs offering hundreds of alternatives - all with different spec and even different versions of Android! But the real winner in any game is the one who walks away from the table with the most money. There is no scenario that sees Apple being beaten on that score.

What Microsoft need to accept is, if they want a seat in the game this time around, they have to rent one.
 
Have you explored (or shall I say exhausted) all the features of Numbers?

I haven't used ALL of the features of anything, but I gave up on Numbers once I couldn't draw lines of best fit, and the graphs didn't update when I changed the data.

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It's gonna be so expensive after this it won't be worth it.

It wasn't worth it in the first place. VNC is nothing new.
 
I haven't used ALL of the features of anything, but I gave up on Numbers once I couldn't draw lines of best fit, and the graphs didn't update when I changed the data.

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It wasn't worth it in the first place. VNC is nothing new.

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4.) Acquire OnLive
I genuinely don't believe that it is in Microsoft's interests for providers like OnLive to fail. They are increasing the use of a Microsoft product and currently not paying the correct amount for license costs. I would think that a sensible agreement will be reached and there are winners all round.

As for a takeover, I don't think MS needs anything OnLive has. The ability to publish a Windows desktop or Office (and pretty much any other app) to the web is a standard feature of Windows servers.
 
The picture in this post was what I wanted and expected iPad to be initially. Call it "Macbook Touch". I was expecting full Mac OS X on a tablet. The way OS X looks and functions on a laptop/desktop was how I wanted it on a tablet. As much as I love iOS I still think it would have been cool to have the desktop/laptop style OS X on a iPad. My initial thought was that Apple was going to just take a Macbook (Pro) and simply put the screen where the keyboard lies. Everything else stays the same. All the I/O, Optical drive, Intel processors, Nvidia or ATI graphics, large HD and Ram, etc. Just no physical keyboard cause the screen would be in it's place. I'd still buy one if Apple made it but I know they are not going too.
 
I haven't used ALL of the features of anything, but I gave up on Numbers once I couldn't draw lines of best fit, and the graphs didn't update when I changed the data.

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It wasn't worth it in the first place. VNC is nothing new.

True, $10 a month was too much.
 
I genuinely don't believe that it is in Microsoft's interests for providers like OnLive to fail. They are increasing the use of a Microsoft product and currently not paying the correct amount for license costs. I would think that a sensible agreement will be reached and there are winners all round.

As for a takeover, I don't think MS needs anything OnLive has. The ability to publish a Windows desktop or Office (and pretty much any other app) to the web is a standard feature of Windows servers.

+100%

Microsoft is far more advanced than Apple in exploiting the cloud - tablet apps seems like an obvious direction. (Apple has billions of dollars in cash - Microsoft is behind on that measure of "cash hoard", but way, way ahead on investing in the future.)

And it won't be just "remote desktop" on a tablet - Microsoft introduced TSE while Steve Jobs was still at NeXT.

Which is probably why "the Icloud" runs on Microsoft datacenters, not Apple datacenters.
 
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