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By doing what?

I think this does nothing but help us. Skype's developers are either garbage or really lack something. Hopefully Microsoft helps them out.

By driving it straight into the ground?

Maybe they'll just scrap the existing windows messenger and use the skype interface...

Can I keep my existing version of skype just in case please??
 
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That's sad.
Means they're probably going to kill it by stopping the development (or reducing it intentionally) on iOS, Android or Mac in order to get people to Windows 7 / Windows Phone 7

I'm not aware of a product where Microsoft has done that.

What you describe is a tactic Apple has used.

You've got a point. Logic used to be available for both Mac and Windows. When Apple bought it, they immediately dumped the Windows version. I don't see Final Cut Pro available for Windows either. Apple fanatics pointing out how Microsoft doesn't make all their software available for the Mac is a little disingenuous, IMO. Until recently, Apple didn't make ANY of their software available for Windows save Quicktime and iTunes (and neither is very Windows friendly to this day, IMO). Apple took the world by surprise when they released Safari for Windows (due to their reputation for ignoring the outside world). It wasn't very Windows friendly either for some time (at least they finally adopted the Windows windowing standard, which iTunes still doesn't really use). What else does Apple make for Windows? I'm pretty hard-pressed to think of anything else, really.

Microsoft, however, has made a lot of software for Apple and the Mac over the years. Some of it they quit making and for good reason (e.g. who the heck was even going to use Internet Explorer for the Mac with Apple rolling their own and fanboys hating everything M$?) Microsoft Office for Mac 2004 even was pretty good, IMO. I like the word processor 'look' better than any Windows version. Yes, if you needed Outlook then it was bad news, but they have been working in that direction. You have to admit that in Capitalism, sales drive development and the Mac is a drop in the bucket next to Windows customers (probably by a ratio of at least 50:1 or more today and a lot worse than that in 2004). Microsoft's Expression Media 2 for Mac (which is also PPC compatible) is a lot better IMO than iPhoto (which is slow as molasses and doesn't like you organizing by directory and won't auto-update additions to photos in directories if you do force it to use them). I don't see iPhoto or iWork available for Windows, though....

My point is not that I like all Microsoft software (some of it's decent; some of it sucks; some of it is a lot better than it used to be) or that I like Microsoft as a company (I've tended to despise them from my Amiga days, but I've since grown to despise Apple as well for the same exact reasons; they don't usually play nice with others and they're greedy as hell). I see very little difference between the two companies in terms of their nature other than in innovation and direction. Apple innovates more for concepts (e.g. iPhone, iPad, visual integration, etc.), but Microsoft does their job when it comes to concentrating on other areas Apple couldn't care less about traditionally (e.g. gaming standards; at least until the iPhone showed gaming prowess where Steve Jobs and Apple never really expected it; now they're catering towards profits, not because they like gaming) whereas Microsoft has shown an ability to do gaming well (e.g. Xbox/Xbox360) and they offer all the new standards sooner or later (e.g. Blu-Ray is YOUR choice on Windows whereas Steve Jobs has decided Mac users don't need Blu-Ray whether they like it or not).

Thus, personally, I think Apple would be far more likely to discontinue Windows versions of Skype if they had purchased them than Microsoft will be to discontinue Mac versions of Skype (no idea about things like Linux versions; I don't think Apple or Microsoft like Linux one bit since in the very long term it threatens their very existence with its "information should be free/open" philosophy).
 
I guess Microsoft doesnt know that Skype is a free download
I'm pretty sure they do.
I guess you don't realize that Skype is only free for Skype to Skype calling/chatting.
It costs real money of you want to call a land line or mobile.
 
I remember having discussions with you in the past. Your Windows knowledge always seemed highly questionable so I will stick my neck out and say that you were using it wrong.

So then was Bill Gates using it wrong?

Bill Gates - Windows Media Center Blooper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gtYoPGvcFI&feature=related

Bill Gates, Windows 98 Blue Screen of Death
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW7Rqwwth84


How about all the people in these videos?

Windows 7 Crashes On Live TV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p_q9sh95pw&feature=related

Windows 7 Blue Screen of Death
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vUqiIzifko


Is the guy in Japan pressing the icon on the desktop of a touch-based Windows 7 PC touching it wrong? Is it a "bad touch? :rolleyes:
 
So then was Bill Gates using it wrong?

Bill Gates - Windows Media Center Blooper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gtYoPGvcFI&feature=related

Bill Gates, Windows 98 Blue Screen of Death
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW7Rqwwth84


How about all the people in these videos?

Windows 7 Crashes On Live TV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p_q9sh95pw&feature=related

Windows 7 Blue Screen of Death
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vUqiIzifko


Is the guy in Japan pressing the icon on the desktop of a touch-based Windows 7 PC touching it wrong? Is it a "bad touch? :rolleyes:

And when I tell you that BSOD's are from hardware/driver problems and the touch not registering is from hardware problems are you going to ignore it and blame it on Microsoft?
 
So then was Bill Gates using it wrong?

Bill Gates - Windows Media Center Blooper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gtYoPGvcFI&feature=related

Bill Gates, Windows 98 Blue Screen of Death
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW7Rqwwth84


How about all the people in these videos?

Windows 7 Crashes On Live TV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p_q9sh95pw&feature=related

Windows 7 Blue Screen of Death
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vUqiIzifko


Is the guy in Japan pressing the icon on the desktop of a touch-based Windows 7 PC touching it wrong? Is it a "bad touch? :rolleyes:

Guess what, I've gotten the grey screen of death on my iMac a few times. What's your point? :rolleyes:
 
When asked about MSFT's track record of supporting other platforms, he could only mention Office for Mac. 99% of people have no faith in what MSFT promises.

That doesn’t mean anything about maintaining cross platform support. The only reason that Microsoft doesn’t have a good track record on Mac development is that they don’t have many products that they have released for the Mac in the first place. I think the last Mac product that they discontinued outright is Virtual Desktop which they did acquire but was basically dead after the intel transition. That doesn’t really count.
 
I remember having discussions with you in the past. Your Windows knowledge always seemed highly questionable so I will stick my neck out and say that you were using it wrong.

So are you arguing that Microsoft crafts well-designed software?
 
And when I tell you that BSOD's are from hardware/driver problems and the touch not registering is from hardware problems are you going to ignore it and blame it on Microsoft?

You've just articulated one of the Mac's biggest advantages: overseeing both the hardware and software development.

Except that wasn't on the "Conan O'Brien show" [sic]. It was at the 2005 CES.

Ouch! That's even worse.
 
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But when it comes to hating Microsoft, we have 30 years of Microsoft history to cause that hate. They deserve it richly for the ways they have damaged the industry in search of greater control and power.

My personal feeling is that the personal computing world is roughly 10 years behind where it should be due to Microsoft's negative effects, particularly in the areas of open standards and interoperability.

The idea that one still cannot move a spreadsheet or word processing document back and forth between a MS product and a third party app (or even a MS app on a different platform) without worrying about spontaneous changes in formatting is pretty pathetic, considering that WP and spreadsheets have been around for 25+ years.

What is really pathetic is that people have been dealing with this sort of BS for so long that they assume that this is just how computing is...
 
My personal feeling is that the personal computing world is roughly 10 years behind where it should be due to Microsoft's negative effects, particularly in the areas of open standards and interoperability.

The idea that one still cannot move a spreadsheet or word processing document back and forth between a MS product and a third party app (or even a MS app on a different platform) without worrying about spontaneous changes in formatting is pretty pathetic, considering that WP and spreadsheets have been around for 25+ years.

What is really pathetic is that people have been dealing with this sort of BS for so long that they assume that this is just how computing is...

Well said. Especially sad when formatting can get screwed up just between the Mac and Windows versions of Office for so many years. Not sure if it is still true in the latest version, but I've given up.
 
So are you arguing that Microsoft crafts well-designed software?

Yes.

People can't keep bringing examples from 15-20 years ago, it's an irrelevant and obsolete discussion. Windows 7, Server 2003/2008, SQL Server, SCCM, Office, Security Essentials, SharePoint etc etc etc are all well designed and essential to many users & businesses.

I have a few builds of Windows 8 and that's shaping up nicely too.
 
So then was Bill Gates using it wrong?

Bill Gates - Windows Media Center Blooper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gtYoPGvcFI&feature=related

Bill Gates, Windows 98 Blue Screen of Death
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW7Rqwwth84


How about all the people in these videos?

Windows 7 Crashes On Live TV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p_q9sh95pw&feature=related

Windows 7 Blue Screen of Death
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vUqiIzifko


Is the guy in Japan pressing the icon on the desktop of a touch-based Windows 7 PC touching it wrong? Is it a "bad touch? :rolleyes:

Yeah, because every single demo of every Apple product has gone flawlessly well. :rolleyes:
 
that's a lot of money

$8.5 billion is a lot of money! A report emerged that pointed out that Microsoft didn’t buy Skype because of some incredible synergy: they bought Skype because Google and Facebook were mulling over the purchase, but decided against it.
 
My personal feeling is that the personal computing world is roughly 10 years behind where it should be due to Microsoft's negative effects, particularly in the areas of open standards and interoperability.

The idea that one still cannot move a spreadsheet or word processing document back and forth between a MS product and a third party app (or even a MS app on a different platform) without worrying about spontaneous changes in formatting is pretty pathetic, considering that WP and spreadsheets have been around for 25+ years.

What is really pathetic is that people have been dealing with this sort of BS for so long that they assume that this is just how computing is...

Well said. Especially sad when formatting can get screwed up just between the Mac and Windows versions of Office for so many years. Not sure if it is still true in the latest version, but I've given up.

Microsoft isn't that bad for compatibility compared to Apple.

Pages 4 makes files that are completely incompatible with Pages 3.

Microsoft publishes the specification for both the binary (.doc,.xls,.ppt etc.) and Office Open XML (.docx,.xkls,.pptx etc.) file formats. For the most part, compatibility with third party applications is quite good these days.

Office on Windows can also open the OpenDocument formats, something which Apple's software struggles with.
 
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