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People can't keep bringing examples from 15-20 years ago, it's an irrelevant and obsolete discussion. Windows 7, Server 2003/2008, SQL Server, SCCM, Office, Security Essentials, SharePoint etc etc etc are all well designed and essential to many users & businesses.

Who is "bringing examples from 15-20 years ago?" As a user of Windows 7 and Office 2010, I disagree with the "well-designed" assessment. They may be "better" than the Microsoft crap of yesteryear, but they're still far from "well-designed." Still kludgy, still not focused on the human user.

"Essential to many users & businesses" does not make it well-designed.
 
oh well..

I thought skype 5 was actually okay... yeah it was kinda like wearing oven mits while typing, but, now it doesn't matter, I have to search for a new voip app anyway... not letting microskeit in on my phone calls... no effing way...
lol...


LagunaSol LOL.. sweet avatar... and Steve121178... When MS bought VPC it became unusable, oh sorry, too old for you? ... since microsoft Office vX (first version for OS X) every upgrade (2004, 2008, 2011) has been more prone to crashes and/OR (as in 2011) slower and more frustrating to use, even if 'features' are added. So... it's kinda a trend like Laguna' says w/o words (see avatar). (yes 2011 was faster the second through eighth time it launched... since then it's been all down hill... lmao... should've prophesied it myself).
 
Guess what, I've gotten the grey screen of death on my iMac a few times. What's your point? :rolleyes:

That's because it's INTEL... ha! Now I await the day that apple says it will go with AMD (and drop it's prices TOO everybody's dream!) (of course that will never happen now since they are likely to go in house with ARM).
 
What?

Not true. There has not been one reported crash of OSX.

happened to the 2008 unibody 15 inch intel c2d mbp loaner from work just a couple weeks ago... really pissed... i'm in IT, 15 years, mac, I bring problems to the GENIUSES at apple stores, describe them, not acting as though i'm in the business of fixing them, and they say 'i've never heard of that', i say 'i've seen it many times', then they get all pissed... hilarious, i hate those guys, worst training ever, they are trained to lie for the company that i used
to love, but now i just deal with, as they make decision after decision that abuses their once loyal fan base... don't get me wrong, they're still leaps and bounds above the competition (windows), which i am reminded of everytime i work on a windows machine... FROM XP all the way to 7, okay steve?

perhaps I don't understand your definition of crash though... I'm thinking you mean:
total lock of computer, or how about spontaneous shut off? Kernel panic? cpu lag of 20+ minutes to be able to do anything but move around a bunch ball? All apps freezing only to be force-quit, but can't be reopened (inc finder)? Menu item's not allowing me to open activity monitor so I can quit 'window server' to get back to log-in?


These things are 'assembled in china' okay, they're just 'designed in california by apple'.
 
I read an article that Microsoft is going to start charging for skype. That's when there going to lose all the people who use skype because it's free.
Skype is not 100% free.
Only Skype to Skype is free and MS would never change that. It would be product suicide.
 
Don't tell me Microsoft is going to pull the iOS application and Mac application! Microsoft should get out of my life right now.
 
Skype is not 100% free.
Only Skype to Skype is free and MS would never change that. It would be product suicide.

Google has free outgoing calls to real phones right now (at 'least' until the end of the year) and it came in very handy on a recent trip with my 'OSX' netbook; calling quality was top rate even with the HP netbook acting as a speaker phone (tried my headset with it too and that was even better).

The heck on Skype for such things. I'm not paying to call out when I already have a cell phone. Of course, I don't expect it to last with Google either, but there's one place I wouldn't mind seeing 'ads' appear to keep it free during the call. It's not like I'd have to stare at them while talking anyway. OTOH, Skype worked well when I did use it for video calls from my iPod Touch (or my netbook) to another computer, but then I've found their noise cancellation kind of sucks (I get odd long-term feedback sounds when connecting two computers both using logitech web cams for mic/camera whereas as Google's sound quality was just as good as my digital phone at home).
 
So then was Bill Gates using it wrong?

Bill Gates - Windows Media Center Blooper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gtYoPGvcFI&feature=related

Bill Gates, Windows 98 Blue Screen of Death
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW7Rqwwth84


How about all the people in these videos?

Windows 7 Crashes On Live TV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p_q9sh95pw&feature=related

Windows 7 Blue Screen of Death
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vUqiIzifko


Is the guy in Japan pressing the icon on the desktop of a touch-based Windows 7 PC touching it wrong? Is it a "bad touch? :rolleyes:

I think it's pretty obvious that it's just the touch screen not working. The girl controlled it by mouse.
 
Apparently the deal may mean that MS dodges a massive tax payout

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/mi...s-taxman-of-26bn-says-financial-wiz-50003840/
The language in that article really makes me doubt the quality of the journalism. And I doubt journalism in the first place.

Not to mention that a "pile of spondooliks" is not taxed, which the article implies. Unless you just got them, which M$ mostly did not.

But, yes, if you have expenses, that reduces your income, and therefore tax. If they had purchased $8b worth of pencils, that would also reduce their tax.
 
The language in that article really makes me doubt the quality of the journalism. And I doubt journalism in the first place.

Not to mention that a "pile of spondooliks" is not taxed, which the article implies. Unless you just got them, which M$ mostly did not.

But, yes, if you have expenses, that reduces your income, and therefore tax. If they had purchased $8b worth of pencils, that would also reduce their tax.

The original article makes it clearer: http://palisadeshudson.com/2011/05/microsoft-calls-skype-on-our-dime/
 
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