ninetyCent
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Next microsoft ad: "Today we have a mac pro and a zune...i can fit the zune in my pocket but i can't with the mac pro" Presented by a 2 month old.
Microsoft Touts Surface Pro 7 as 'The Better Choice' Over MacBook Pro in New Ad
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Andrew Hatfield
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So Microsoft is comparing a tablet with a laptop?
why didn’t they do a real comparison and compare the surface to a iPad Pro?
why didn’t they do a real comparison and compare the surface to a iPad Pro?
zerosumgamez
macrumors newbie
When you need to abuse your competitor's product in the promotion video, you are pretty desperate.
James Godfrey
macrumors 68020
Should have been compared to the iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard.... or am I missing something here ???
Mac Prodigy
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Oh lawd, don't get the Hyundai fanboys riled up again 🤣
jlc1978
macrumors 603
The ad went national - he should be collecting way more than $5k.
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macsareveryinteresting
macrumors 6502a
Microsoft does realize that M1 Chip destroys Intel Core.
jlc1978
macrumors 603
To translate: "We don't want users pulling their SD and damaging them and then filing warranty claims; even if it is not all that difficult some idiots will pull them when powered or zapping them with a static charge hence the warning."
Google docs? Give me a break. It's OK if you want to be forced to use the cloud, or Chrome with an extension for offline use. It has it's niche, but Office is still the standard. Win10 is not all that bad; I use MacOS but for the times I must use Windows it's quite usable.
That's the point many miss - you buy a machine that runs the software you need, at an acceptable speed, at a price you can afford.
I use one but neither Visio nor PowerBI are processor intensive; oddly enough my MBP and Parallels' performance was not that much worse than Bootcamp or a Ryzen 7 laptop to impact my use type. I can see where if you are running a complex analysis of say laminar flow over a surface you could quickly bring it to its knees.
I doubt it. I'd guess the cost of doing a proper rewrite would not be worth the return you're likely to get. The market for such a product is likely very small compared to that for desktop workstations.
No, they are architects; both technical fields but different focus.
Good point - for many gamers a console is a much more desirable adjunct to their PC.
DEMinSoCAL
macrumors 603
Not true. Comparison of my modest car to a Mercedes wouldn't come out well for the Mercedes (hint -- like Apple, overpriced).
DEMinSoCAL
macrumors 603
Disagree. First, Microsoft is a company, not an OS. You mean Windows. Second, I have/use both and for me Windows > macOS. To each their own.
Mac Prodigy
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Haha you keep telling yourself that champ!
DEMinSoCAL
macrumors 603
Did you even try configuring one before making that comment? As a matter of fact, you can configure an i5/8GB/128GB SP7 with keyboard and pen for $853.97 on Microsoft's site. So, it's even less than the ad states. Upgrade to "Signature" keyboard and the total is $883.97.
DEMinSoCAL
macrumors 603
literally everyone i know with a Mercedes will frequently tell me theirs is in the shop for repair. Mine has never needed repair (knock on wood that continues). The cost of maintenance is ridiculous. I can change my own oil or have it done cheaply. Parts (should I ever need them) are affordable. I don't need a status symbol. If I won the lottery, I guarantee a Mercedes would not be on my car shopping list.
PinkyMacGodess
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Microsoft says 'trust us, this is so much better!' Very early on, when I was still running my computer company, I attended a meeting where Microsoft was introducing the Surface to the other resellers in the room. (At the time, it wasn't the focus of the meeting, but ran as an addendum at the end) It was a tough room. Many of the comments dealt with the idea that the Surface was heavily dependent on the keyboard and stylus, and how could Microsoft actually sell it without the keyboard with a straight face. The MS rep was eventually forced to admit that it made little sense, except to give owners 'freedom' to either pay for it, or not. But people piled on that too, saying that if it's basically a necessity, why make it an option. That would be like buying a car, and being told the steering wheel was an option. During a demo, one of the MS droids did say that it was a joke to not buy all the accessories because the Surface was originally built around the user having them. They said that breaking them out and selling them separately only made sense from a profitability standpoint in that the separate accessories could have a higher price. Many also noticed that the Surface was getting rather hot. Others commented on the ports getting blocked with assorted detritus based on the way most people use their iPads. The droids just shrugged.
It was a tough room. People were asking how a user was supposed to use the Surface without the trimmings, and how they would sell against an iPad that just required a finger, that 'God' already gave every potential user free. Many people left laughing. Most felt the Surface was a profit generating toy with no clear direction. A few said they would actively try to talk their customers and clients from buying one over another tablet, or a notebook like a MacBook Air, or the growing models vendors were coming out with at the time.
And at one point, people were talking that the Surface was all but dead. So Microsoft has to lie to sell them? They started off lying in the beginning of the Surface: 'You don't need the keyboard'. Well, yeah, you very much do need it...
I'm surprised Microsoft doubled down on the Surface. Given their fickle hardware division, I don't think I'd ever own one. I was gifted a Zune by a MS insider who gave it to me saying it was 'The New iPod!'. Yeah, not at all so much... They said that the Zune would 'eat Apple's lunch, and soon the iPod would be a relic, showing what Microsoft does to companies that challenge them.' I wonder where they are now. Probably working on the Surface rehab project. 'This new new new new new Surface will FINALLY eat Apple's lunch! We will own the tablet market in second quarter and beyond!'
I did find a Surface 'pencil' in a restaurant. I wonder how the poor person used their Surface after losing that...
Microsoft says 'trust us, this is so much better!' Very early on, when I was still running my computer company, I attended a meeting where Microsoft was introducing the Surface to the other resellers in the room. (At the time, it wasn't the focus of the meeting, but ran as an addendum at the end) It was a tough room. Many of the comments dealt with the idea that the Surface was heavily dependent on the keyboard and stylus, and how could Microsoft actually sell it without the keyboard with a straight face. The MS rep was eventually forced to admit that it made little sense, except to give owners 'freedom' to either pay for it, or not. But people piled on that too, saying that if it's basically a necessity, why make it an option. That would be like buying a car, and being told the steering wheel was an option. During a demo, one of the MS droids did say that it was a joke to not buy all the accessories because the Surface was originally built around the user having them. They said that breaking them out and selling them separately only made sense from a profitability standpoint in that the separate accessories could have a higher price. Many also noticed that the Surface was getting rather hot. Others commented on the ports getting blocked with assorted detritus based on the way most people use their iPads. The droids just shrugged.
It was a tough room. People were asking how a user was supposed to use the Surface without the trimmings, and how they would sell against an iPad that just required a finger, that 'God' already gave every potential user free. Many people left laughing. Most felt the Surface was a profit generating toy with no clear direction. A few said they would actively try to talk their customers and clients from buying one over another tablet, or a notebook like a MacBook Air, or the growing models vendors were coming out with at the time.
And at one point, people were talking that the Surface was all but dead. So Microsoft has to lie to sell them? They started off lying in the beginning of the Surface: 'You don't need the keyboard'. Well, yeah, you very much do need it...
I'm surprised Microsoft doubled down on the Surface. Given their fickle hardware division, I don't think I'd ever own one. I was gifted a Zune by a MS insider who gave it to me saying it was 'The New iPod!'. Yeah, not at all so much... They said that the Zune would 'eat Apple's lunch, and soon the iPod would be a relic, showing what Microsoft does to companies that challenge them.' I wonder where they are now. Probably working on the Surface rehab project. 'This new new new new new Surface will FINALLY eat Apple's lunch! We will own the tablet market in second quarter and beyond!'
I did find a Surface 'pencil' in a restaurant. I wonder how the poor person used their Surface after losing that...
chucker23n1
macrumors G3
They’re comparing against a 256GB MBP, so that’s $999 (typically $1199) for the Surface Pro 7, then $120 ($160) for the keyboard, and $64 ($99) for the pen.
They’re probably doing the stupid rebate thing to get rid of Ice Lake stock.
It isn’t a bad product at all, but it’s a dumb comparison to the MBP.
PinkyMacGodess
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It's called 'marketing'. Telling lies to build up your product, and tear down your competition. But the lies have to be innocent enough to survive a shard attorney, and a jaundiced judiciary. But in the wake of 'post fact America', who knows where all this will go. There are so many adverts on the box (TV) that are outright lies. I took an advertising class in college, and was fascinated at the dishonesty that boiled below the surface of many advertising campaigns, and the tactics that ad agencies would use to sell their clients products. Hopefully the worst ads will be pulled down, and new focus on honesty will become prevalent again. Who knows...
GeoStructural
macrumors 65816
Architects are NOT engineers. In fact you can find a ton of memes and jokes online about Civil and Structural Engineers crashing with Architects for their lack of engineering knowledge and even physical reality.
There are two architectural programs in the US that can be considered engineering, one is "Structural Architecture" and another is "Architectural Engineering", those you can consider Engineers since they have a knowledge in physics, math, mechanics, earthquakes, etc. and not just drawing and distribution of spaces.
Yeah. I don't disagree with this type of marketing from a businesses sense. I just think in America we should really leave children out of advertisements. Children have zero agency to make decisions and on occasion unscrupulous parents use their own children for money, with no welfare for the child's future being considered.
I'm not alleging that this is happening in this case of this commercial, but, I think Microsoft could have made their point with an adult actor. I'd feel the same way with an Apple ad.
But anyways, Apple's ad would be hilarious. They could just show kid after kid being shown an iPad and a Surface. The iPad would be recognizable by a kid every single time if it's a kid from the U.S. - they'd be like "huh what's this thing" if you gave them a surface. Source: all my younger cousins have no clue what a Surface is but the iPad branding is strong.
You may want to pay attention yourself, it does not say anything you claim. It is very clear it’s user removable.
GeoStructural
macrumors 65816
Glad someone understood my point. I am not hating on the MacBook Pro and favoring the Surface, in fact I am most excited about the M1 Macs and beyond. I just cannot put up with the slide of comments here saying PCs are so inferior and that is not true, I have tried for over 8 years to stick to a Mac but it simply is not possible for my workflow, I need Windows and Linux, hopefully both Apple and developers will catch up one day.
And regarding pricing... man all my Windows laptops and desktops of the past 6 years have been more expensive, it is not a matter of budget all the time, sometimes we pay for what we need.
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Lemon Olive
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In no imaginable universe is the better choice over a MacBook or an iPad.