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Well, step by step, Apple has managed to eliminate the usefulness of their computers. Eliminating ports, eliminating magsafe, the useless/obnoxious touchbar, eliminating 32bit support, eliminating windows compatibility by ditching Intel.

Yes yes we can all think of reasons to justify why each of those made sense, and that's all very wonderful. But it leaves a gaping hole in the market that MS is filling with surface. Apple still treats all tablets as mobile devices. MS just created the Surface Pro 7Plus, which comfortably runs full-featured pro design/engineering software, allows for sketching and drawing on screen, programmable touch commands, & ranges from whatever, $800-$2800. To get that basic functionality out of the macbook pro, I've got to string together last years top of the line intel-based MBP16 with enough horsepower to run boot camp through parallels (though parallels breaks wacom's mousing functionality), & screen sharing over to the ipad, for more than double the price, and which is laggy. Otherwise I can plug a Wacom Cintiq in, spend 3x the money, and have a giant hulking beast to cart around. If you're benefitted by working directly on-screen, it's pretty much no contest. As Apple has focused and limited their product line to a very narrow traditional set of use cases, they've left several major gaping holes in the market, one of which MS is now pretty casually filling with the Surface. As soon as you can connect a Surface Pro to an eGPU for more power and a big external display, it's over.
Buy a windows machine and move on.
It sounds as if you need to run Windows. So run it.
 
How can you assure it is a budget issue? My PC is twice as expensive as a MacBook Pro.

Regarding not understanding why PCs are better for engineers let me enlighten you. The main reason is the professional software needed which is not available on Mac. There is a lot of modeling software, structural design, finite elements, etc. that are mainstream in the industry and they do not run on Mac.

I tried using virtual machines but the performance hit is so brutal to the point of being unusable.
Obviously you buy the OS that runs the software you need. I won’t be surprised if in 3 years those apps are enabled to run on Apple Silicon.
 


Microsoft yesterday shared a new ad on YouTube titled "Microsoft Surface Pro 7: The Better Choice," in which the company compares its tablet computer to Apple's 13-inch M1 MacBook Pro, as spotted by MSPoweruser.


The ad highlights the Surface Pro 7's touchscreen and included stylus as opposed to only a "little bar" (the Touch Bar) on the MacBook Pro. Other advantages of the Surface Pro 7 mentioned in the ad include the detachable keyboard, a cheaper price, and the claim that the tablet is "a much better gaming device" than the MacBook Pro.

Results uploaded on Geekbench show that the Intel Core i3-equipped Surface Pro 7 with 4GB of RAM has single-core and multi-core scores of 769 and 1,851, respectively. Additionally, the Intel Core i5-equipped Surface Pro 7 with 8GB of RAM has single-core and multi-core scores of 1,210 and 4,079, respectively. By comparison, the ‌M1‌ chip running on a 13-inch MacBook Pro with 8GB of unified memory achieved greater performance than both Surface models with single-core and multi-core scores of 1,735 and 7,686, respectively.

The 12.3-inch Surface Pro 7 starts at $749.99 with 128GB of storage and 4GB of RAM and increases to $2,299.99 with 1TB of storage and 16GB of RAM. In comparison, the current 13-inch M1 MacBook Pro starts at $1,299 with 256GB of storage and 8GB of unified memory and increases to $2,299 for 2TB of storage and 16GB of unified memory.

Microsoft has long positioned its Surface devices as an ideal combination of both a tablet and computer experience. In years past, Microsoft has released several ads promoting its Surface lineup over Apple's MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, and iPad lineup.

Article Link: Microsoft Touts Surface Pro 7 as 'The Better Choice' Over MacBook Pro in New Ad
This is nice,almost all the features has been changed, looking for more as MacBook is also my choice as I bought it from one of the online portal that is dubaimachines.com
 
i have a maxed out surface book 3 and i love it. Apple should definitely make a touchscreen mac. That being said, my maxed out M1 macbook pro is so much more powerful it's ridiculous.
 
i have a maxed out surface book 3 and i love it. Apple should definitely make a touchscreen mac. That being said, my maxed out M1 macbook pro is so much more powerful it's ridiculous.

I WISH I had a dollar every time someone stated this!

5 corporations since the first MS Surface tablet and multiple roll-outs and there is just 2 people out of over 50 for each that likes it the first year, thereafter ALL get returned!

I liked the presentations too of the Microsoft Surface Pro 5 wanted them to be black and then I saw how terrible they are with palm-pen recognition/avoidance, how poor they are as portable machines for presentations even compared to the iPad.


Enjoy it while it lasts it’s your choice and your dollars spent - not gonna change your mind.
 
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What? Apple's marketing does this all the time in both the computer and smartphone businesses.

I remember last year when they compared their overpriced monitor to a professional monitor only to be later trashed in side by side comparisons... some defended the price difference ($6000 vs $44000) but it was Apple itself who made the comparison during the keynote.

By the way, there are many reasons why a PC is a better purchase, especially for professional Engineers and gamers. Macs have a edge on content creation.

Architechs ... are they not engineers? Many use either PC or Mac.

Gamers ... how many are using PC’s vs consoles (by any single comparison on a global scale)? Hmmm.
 
Why do you compare “starting at” prices? Compare prices for models that are as close as possible.
 
It's just so horrible to use a lifted touchscreen, unless you really want to train your arm muscles. Why PC makers don't ever understand that.
They don’t build what users need, but what users want which sells things. If the user stops using the touchscreen after a week, no problem.

Samsung has this feature where you can charge your empty phone by holding it against a charged phone. How many use it? Or a feature where you can combine six Samsung phones to play the same music louder. How many use that?
 
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Surface Pro. another non upgradable expensive to repair device.
Stop the super thin and non upgradable and super expensive to repair mindset.

Just give us performance and highly functional laptops.
 
Compared to the M1 Mac, Surface performance must be much worse in the processing/graphics/battery departments.

However the advertisement specifically states that the price includes the Pen and Type Cover, offer valid through 31st January.
Ah, I missed that.
 
This ad falls apart like a house of cards.

Yeah, you don’t get touch on an MBP. You also don’t get a detachable keyboard, because it’s not that kind of device (is their point that the Surface Laptop is a bad device?).

But then they bring up the price. At that price, the Surface Pro 7 includes neither the pen nor any keyboard, and its specs are very poor.

Why didn’t they simply compare it with the iPad Pro? It makes much more sense that way, and they could tout that it runs Windows apps and games (though you can’t convince me that there’s much of a market of college kids who want to run games on a Windows tablet. It’s an awkward compromise).

People don't want to run Windows tablet mode, it's rubbish and the numbers of apps is very poor, the Surface can't beat a MBP at being a laptop, or beat a iPad at being a tablet
 
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Microsoft has disabled comments on the YouTube video because they are worried about people outing them for the misleading advertisement. Hope it comes out here in Australia so I can flag it as deceptive and misleading, which it is. Microsoft scraping the bottom of the barrel here because they know their surfaces don't sell nearly as well.
 
One year ago, I made the move from a Surface Pro 5, i7 with 16GB Ram and 512GB Storage, to a basic MacBook Pro (i5, 8GB 256GBStorage). My first surface was the Pro 2. But why the change? The reasons, apart from the ecosystem, were
1.) it is not a laptop and even if you want to be mobile, you'll always need a desk.
2.) even though it was a core i7, it was much slower than the entry MacBook Pro!
3.) Professional software... well if you're keen on (or you have to use the software) lags, long startup times great.
4.) You don't need a touch display or pen input for Word, Excel and Power Point. If you're a creator well then yes, but if you are doing tables, charts and engineering stuff, there is really no supported software.
 
Hahaha, not even close.
I got a work related Surface, you know what, it sucks big time, there's not a single hour of using it without problems, it's an i5, slow, unresponsive, UI elements are too small to use a pen with, touch display works mediocre, for instance, pinch to zoom is atrocious.
And then there are all the magnets cluttered with small metal pieces, we use them in our workshop, lots of small metal pieces everywhere.
Software is crap, the one which I most dislike is Microsofts cloud, slow and unreliable.
 
Ignoring that a kid this young should maybe be comparing a Surface Go 2 vs a MacBook Air, Microsoft has always dropped the ball when it comes to 'Show, Don't Tell' in advertising.

Homework - show him in class, getting an assignment from his teacher, recording the lecture with the rear camera while also taking notes in OneNote.

Kickstand - show him in a rear passenger seat, watching videos hands free (as the kickstand is hooked to the front seat) while his sibling has a MacBook balanced on their lap.

Ports - show him at the museum loading a micro-SSD card with photos from a fellow student while a MacBook user looks for a dongle.

Connectivity - show him in a restaurant, accessing the internet via internal LTE while the MacBook user has to ask their mom to use her phone to connect.

Tablet - show him switching effortlessly between pen and keyboard while working on the class project while the MacBook user struggles to draw using a mouse.

Gaming - show him at home using an Xbox Controller while accessing games remotely on his Xbox.

There are actual reasons a kid might want a Surface over a MacBook. Show the reasons, don't tell/lecture potential customers.
 
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??? Actually they are. I’m sure you noticed them exploring, keyword ‘exploring’ ARM processors for Surface tablets.

Exploring since at least 2015, which eventually led to a venture with Qualcomm in demonstrating W10 running on a Snapdragon 835 in 2017 which then led to the development of the SQ1 and Surface Pro X in 2019. 5 years of exploring is not exactly a sign of 'Microsoft must be scared of Apple Silicone'.

And that is before you go back way further and Window RT which was ARM-based and can be traced back 10 years.
 
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