Microsoft Unveils Windows Phone 7 Handsets

[res1233]

You can clearly see it dropping for 6 months. yes iphone 4 boosted it but I doubt that will hold.

Pretty sure all that means is the market was saturating, so sales dropped.

 

[pr5owner]

Which carrier do you prefer? After you answer that I think the max you have to choose between is 3. (AT&T)

anything more than 1 is too confusing for apple users

i was at the rogers store yesterday and the person infront of me was buying an iphone. after listening to her for a while i came to the conclusion that she didn't even know what she was buying, her friends just told her to get one and her son said everyone else is buying this. she also walked out with nearly $100 worth of useless accessories, talk about getting ripped off.

that is the typical apple customer.

 

[Mike225]

anything more than 1 is too confusing for apple users

i was at the rogers store yesterday and the person infront of me was buying an iphone. after listening to her for a while i came to the conclusion that she didn't even know what she was buying, her friends just told her to get one and her son said everyone else is buying this. she also walked out with nearly $100 worth of useless accessories, talk about getting ripped off.

that is the typical apple customer.

I think thats the typical customer in general. If the salespersons at AT&T/T-Mobile etc. like WP7 then it will not have a hard time selling.

 

[Hal Itosis]

anything more than 1 is too confusing for apple users

i was at the rogers store yesterday and the person infront of me was buying an iphone. after listening to her for a while i came to the conclusion that she didn't even know what she was buying,

I guess we'll just assume your conclusion was correct, since we didn't hear what she actually said (and you didn't tell us either).

her friends just told her to get one and her son said everyone else is buying this. she also walked out with nearly $100 worth of useless accessories, talk about getting ripped off.

that is the typical apple customer.

So to summarize: some lady —who wasn't an über-geek —bought an iPhone.
Sounds good to me... as i'm sure she'll be more than satisfied.

Thanks for sharing!

 

[cmvsm]

And on perhaps a more humanistic note: I wouldn't wish failure on a person or company unless they were doing evil or really wronging people. Not trying to play holier than thou. But in this economy where I have seen and know so many people out of work in all occupations - its a bit "nasty" to wish failure on a company which - if it happens - would probably end the jobs for hundreds if not thousands MORE people. Don't get me wrong - it's not a reason to CHEER a company on. But I wouldn't wish failure on them either. You might not like Microsoft. But there are thousands of good hardworking people who make their living from working for them. It's "easy" to hate a company because it has no face. But I would guess you wouldn't go up to someone who works for Microsoft in their Windows Phone 7 department and wish them failure... would you?[/I]

Normally would agree, but Microsoft has been ripping the consumer and vendors off for years with their monopolistic grip of their OS and browser, and still are. I don't hold it against Gates for ripping the Windows idea off initially, that's just business, but they've pushed prices up on bad software for years on the consumer, and they've had no choice otherwise. Empathy is at an all time low for me and MS.

 

[delta function]

Normally would agree, but Microsoft has been ripping the consumer and vendors off for years with their monopolistic grip of their OS and browser, and still are. I don't hold it against Gates for ripping the Windows idea off initially, that's just business, but they've pushed prices up on bad software for years on the consumer, and they've had no choice otherwise. Empathy is at an all time low for me and MS.

That actually makes more sense if you replace Microsoft with Apple, etc.

Then again, what is the "right" price? Good luck defining that in such an economy.

 

[Bigdaddyguido]

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iOS 5 is going to specialize a whole new notification system, and everyone is going to say that it's because of MS competition. Only the notification system is clearly the last remaining Achilles heel from the original iOS. Once that's fixed, all the issues people complained about initially will have been attended to (copy paste, different revenue models, multitasking, etc) and people will be forced to actually find new things to whine about the iPhone.

Honestly, when it comes to apple, I think competition matters very little. They're going to follow their roadmap and a majority of the time the market corrects around apple, not the otherway around.

 

[delta function]

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iOS 5 is going to specialize a whole new notification system, and everyone is going to say that it's because of MS competition. Only the notification system is clearly the last remaining Achilles heel from the original iOS. Once that's fixed, all the issues people complained about initially will have been attended to (copy paste, different revenue models, multitasking, etc) and people will be forced to actually find new things to whine about the iPhone.

Lets not count chickens before they hatch. Also, if lord turtleneck's vision is so great, why is jailbreaking so popular?

 

[shingi70]

Why are people comparing this to ios and android. The market has three big markets in the smartphone canyon. Consumer,Business, and the techie group.



ios-consumer mostly'
android- techie/ consumer
Blackberry- consumer/business


Now with rim slowly dying its going to leave a whole in the enterprise market that wp7 can fill. of course the regular consumer (like me) will get the phone but after watching the keynote and looking at the whole windows live/office/exchange support this could be the next BB.

 

[koruki]

They have been launched here in NZ today and I just came back from having a play. My first impression is good, its better than i thought. The phone tested was the HTC Trophy.

The responsiveness was good, the tile layout is original however you had to scroll up and down to see all the basic apps as it waste a lot of space on the left and right.

The maps was not very polished, its not using the google map api, also when you zoom out the edges are just kinda cut off and blurred, not clean and tidy.

Office looked promising, ability to connect to Sharepoint.

I wouldn't give up my iPhone4 for one but I'd say my UI test of the Win7 mobile impressed me more than my test with android

 

[Mike225]

They have been launched here in NZ today and I just came back from having a play. My first impression is good, its better than i thought. The phone tested was the HTC Trophy.

The responsiveness was good, the tile layout is original however you had to scroll up and down to see all the basic apps as it waste a lot of space on the left and right.

The maps was not very polished, its not using the google map api, also when you zoom out the edges are just kinda cut off and blurred, not clean and tidy.

Office looked promising, ability to connect to Sharepoint.

I wouldn't give up my iPhone4 for one but I'd say my UI test of the Win7 mobile impressed me more than my test with android

Thanks. From what Ive seen the biggest thing it needs is the ability for apps to save their state.

The load times for some programs looked long and Im not sure who's at fault. I would hope this gets addressed by Microsoft before I consider a WP7. Did you notice anything like that?

 

[linux2mac]

OOOH. HARSH!

Walt Mossberg: Windows Mobile 7 is inferior | 9 to 5 Mac Walt Mossberg: Windows Mobile 7 is inferior | Apple Intelligence

The "corrupted" blank Word doc couldn't be opened on MS' phone but could on the iPhone. LOL!

http://www.9to5mac.com/31720/walt-m...c-MacAllDay+(9+to+5+Mac+-+Apple+Intelligence)

Oh no! "Apple is doomed and will be out of business like Amiga" ( words from anti-Apple forum members in other threads) - ROFLMAO !!

 

[LagunaSol]

OOOH. HARSH!

Walt Mossberg: Windows Mobile 7 is inferior | 9 to 5 Mac Walt Mossberg: Windows Mobile 7 is inferior

The extensive Engadget review also pointed out WP7 is inferior to iOS in almost every regard. While a summary review of "not bad for a first effort" would be just fine if this were 2007, it's not. It's 2010. The competition is already far ahead.

That said, the tech press will fall all over themselves praising WP7, at least initially. Because it's Microsoft. And that's what the tech press does.

And Microsoft will certainly spend many billions trying to capture some market share and buy some fan loyalty. That's what Microsoft does.

Me, I'm just looking forward to seeing the Fandroids and the Winbot Horde turn on each other.

Is that your only defense is to accuse people of being fanboys?

It's the way the resident agitators roll. When you can't provide an intelligent counterpoint, play the fanboy card. Works a charm.

 

[Neonblue]

I really like them. The selling point for me is the UI, I'm loving the whole look of it, especially the big bold live tiles.

 

[mrochester]

The extensive Engadget review also pointed out WP7 is inferior to iOS in almost every regard. While a summary review of "not bad for a first effort" would be just fine if this were 2007, it's not. It's 2010. The competition is already far ahead.

That said, the tech press will fall all over themselves praising WP7, at least initially. Because it's Microsoft. And that's what the tech press does.

And Microsoft will certainly spend many billions trying to capture some market share and buy some fan loyalty. That's what Microsoft does.

Me, I'm just looking forward to seeing the Fandroids and the Winbot Horde turn on each other.



It's the way the resident agitators roll. When you can't provide an intelligent counterpoint, play the fanboy card. Works a charm.

I wouldn't expect any sort of balanced or fair comment from you, but a lot of what the press are saying is very positive, and I think WP7 is the closest thing to iOS out there. If we were able to forgive Apple in 2007 for all the things they were missing (3G, multitasking, apps, copy & paste to name but a few) then we're going to have to afford Microsoft the same sort of grace period now. As with iOS, WP7 will grow and develop over time, and the features we feel are missing now will probably eventually be there. What's apparent though, is how strong a base Microsoft now have on which to build on, and it's onwards and upwards from here. I can't wait to try it out myself; going to pop into an Orange shop today and see if I can give it a go.

 

[MorphingDragon]

It's the way the resident agitators roll. When you can't provide an intelligent counterpoint, play the fanboy card. Works a charm.

And those people suitably miss out on the chance to lead people into circular arguments, blatant contradiction and general drama.

 

[pr5owner]

I guess we'll just assume your conclusion was correct, since we didn't hear what she actually said (and you didn't tell us either).



So to summarize: some lady —who wasn't an über-geek —bought an iPhone.
Sounds good to me... as i'm sure she'll be more than satisfied.

Thanks for sharing!

these are the things she said

Rogers rep: can you remove the pin lockout on your blackberry so i can copy your contacts
Customer: how do i do that?

Rogers rep: do you want to get your internet email on your phone?
Customer: i probably dont need too

Rogers rep: do you want to setup an itunes account? you will need to have an itunes account to use some features on the phone
customer: no i dont want too (this indicates she doesn't really care about music or apps or even smartphone features in general)

Rogers rep: do you wish to connect your iphone to your work email?
Customer: okay
Rogers rep: do you know the settings?
Customer: no (most people dont, which is fine)
Rogers rep: what is your email address?
customer: i cant remember (WTF?)

Rogers rep: you should get a case (points to a $35 case)
customer: ok
Rogers rep: you should get a screen protector too (points to a $20 screen protector)
customer: ok

hahaha she got ripped off so bad

 

[Hal Itosis]

Rogers rep: you should get a case (points to a $35 case)
customer: ok
Rogers rep: you should get a screen protector too (points to a $20 screen protector)
customer: ok

hahaha she got ripped off so bad

Depends. [Unless she actually feels 'ripped off' perhaps your opinion is overstated. Are you implying that the case or screen protector don't function somehow?... or that you know where to purchase such items at a much cheaper price? Maybe you could have been kind enough to provide her with some information... instead of ridiculing her in this forum for your own amusement.]

 

[AidenShaw]

"Windows Phone 7 a big step forward"

Newspaper headline: Windows Phone 7 a big step forward


Windows Phone 7 a good start, but still needs some work
By Troy Wolverton

Mercury News Columnist
Posted: 10/21/2010 05:54:17 PM PDT

Not that long ago, Microsoft was a major player in smartphones and handheld computers. Now the software giant is an afterthought.

With its recent release of a completely revamped version of its mobile operating system, Microsoft is trying to get back in the race.

The new software, dubbed Windows Phone 7 and debuting next month on three phones running on AT&T's network, is a huge improvement over its predecessor, Windows Mobile 6.5, and one of the most visually appealing mobile operating systems out there. But it lacks key features, includes some frustrating user interface elements and provides access to a far smaller selection of applications than its most notable rivals, Apple's iOS, which powers the iPhone, and Google's Android software.

In developing Windows Phone 7, Microsoft scrapped its old Windows Mobile software. That's a good thing, because Windows Mobile was ugly to look at and difficult to use. The new Windows Phone 7 software, by contrast, is much sleeker and easier to operate.

Microsoft is also keeping much tighter control on Phone 7, limiting the number of manufacturers to a handful of top-tier companies and dictating that phones using the software meet certain minimum requirements, such as having a touch-screen display with three system buttons underneath it and a 5-megapixel camera.
...

http://www.siliconvalley.com/latest-headlines/ci_16400898?nclick_check=1

Story in today's Mercury News....

 

[Hal Itosis]

Oh my, thanks for that Aiden... i'm going to rush out and buy one right now.

BTW, why didn't you embolden this part:

But it lacks key features, includes some frustrating user interface elements and provides access to a far smaller selection of applications than its most notable rivals, Apple's iOS, which powers the iPhone, and Google's Android software.

 

[AidenShaw]

Oh my, thanks for that Aiden... i'm going to rush out and buy one right now.

BTW, why didn't you embolden this part:

At least I didn't quote an opinion piece that started with "I worship Steve Ballmer", unlike a recent pro-Apple piece a few pages back that has "I worship Steve Jobs" .