i.......Phone.
That's just, so amazingly inventive.
Oh no.... choice! I can't think for myself! Lord Turtleneck himself says choice is bad!
Exactly... and there's as much truth there as humor. It's not Apple that "needs to worry" about Microsoft's new gadget (as some others here are wont to claim)... it's more like Nokia and that ilk, which appeals to the non-Mac-using crowd who will be affected by this.Looks like a Droid killer to me...
What a beautifully crafted, back-handed compliment![]()
On which subject ? The interview is over an hour long, spanning multiple subjects, not a lot of it being about choice (the Flash part is especially anti-choice...).
Exactly... and there's as much truth there as humor. It's not Apple that "needs to worry" about Microsoft's new gadget (as some others here are wont to claim)... it's more like Nokia and that ilk, which appeals to the non-Mac-using crowd who will be affected by this.
What? . . . as if hoards of iPhone owners are gonna suddenly flock over to the DarkSide? Why? . . . because it runs Windows?!?!
HA!![]()
It is to laugh.
Hark... an English major.I hda a hart tmie inderstunding you're pose.
Looks VERY different from iPhone. Makes iPhone OS look cluttered and outdated.
A very troubling quote indeed –*and this article was put forward as a 'study'!?
Originally Posted by LamontWasHere
Wow, I just went to Microsoft.com and not one mention of the phone there. I mean when apple launches a new product it's plastered all over the homepage.
I find this to highlight more than almost anything the key differences between Redmond and Cupertino. That is to say, not on top of it.
No, but it quoted the study.
And the author was using apple as an example.
Not to mention there were other articles I posted. But you know, because the guy I was arguing only wants to see his view, he'll find whatever reason he wants to decide not to pay attention (instead of maybe finding his own articles or studies that show differently).
My only point originally in ever replying is to note that yes, providing too much choice can actually be a bad thing when you are trying to sell something. It's not saying that providing choice is bad, but you don't want to confuse your market by too much. I know, it's a very cynical way of looking at people, but in general it is too. I have noticed myself if there is a lot of choice I'm more likely to go home and think about it. And then lose interest in it in the first place. And that is not what you want to do when you are trying to sell something. You want people to decide to buy when they are still interested. Not have them decide they need more time and have more time to cool off on wanting it and get disinterested, decide they didn't need it, decide they don't have the money/whatnot.
And what Apple fanboys lack, others have in abundance. The intangibles that occur before a product is purchased. Choice, free will, a clear idea about what product they want and the ability to decide form themselves. What else is new?
You advocate Apple blitzing your wallet by compromising your free will with a lack of choice?
Wow.
That's some impressive fanboy logic.
Hmm. Microsoft announces a new mobile platform. New user joins MacRumors and immediately starts bashing Apple customers and proclaiming the beauty of "freedom of choice." (LOL @ "Microsoft" and "deciding for themselves").
Interesting.
And thus the WP7 astroturfing campaign begins in earnest.
And you continue your crusade of vacuous statements. Does your post count compensate for something?
Sorry - went to sleep but wanted to comment on this. MS is one of the top 5 traded companies as per your own admission and the charts shown on here. So you're really going to tell me that MS is at a tipping point? You are implying that MS will fail and destroy itself. Really? Because I wonder how many companies WISH they had MS "problems" and "failures." Again - they are one of the top 5 traded companies on that chart. I'd say they are pretty "healthy" as a company for now and quite a while. This new OS won't kill them. Ballmer's "reign" is another matter. But the company is far from doomed. But whatever keeps you sleeping at night
And to some other posters - I am still amused by this thread. Some of you are posting as if you are bullies on the playground who are "secretly" insecure/afraid/threatened so you immediately go into attack mode as part of defense/survival mechanism. Psychology 101 - no degree even needed to diagnose that one LOL.
There will always be choices. There will always be competition. And there will always be people who want and need different things in their life that aren't the same as YOU. That's really the bottom line...
So you honestly think that Microsoft's failure and success lie in phones? That if they stayed out of the market or failed in the market - they have no vitality as a company?
Hopefully you "new members" are astroturfing the sites of your real competition:
Best o' luck capturing the hearts and minds of 'Droid droids.
You'll not be converting us die-hard Macoholics any time soon.![]()
No, but it quoted the study.
And the author was using apple as an example.
Not to mention there were other articles I posted. But you know, because the guy I was arguing only wants to see his view, he'll find whatever reason he wants to decide not to pay attention (instead of maybe finding his own articles or studies that show differently).
My only point originally in ever replying is to note that yes, providing too much choice can actually be a bad thing when you are trying to sell something. It's not saying that providing choice is bad, but you don't want to confuse your market by too much. I know, it's a very cynical way of looking at people, but in general it is too. I have noticed myself if there is a lot of choice I'm more likely to go home and think about it. And then lose interest in it in the first place. And that is not what you want to do when you are trying to sell something. You want people to decide to buy when they are still interested. Not have them decide they need more time and have more time to cool off on wanting it and get disinterested, decide they didn't need it, decide they don't have the money/whatnot.
YES! THE BIGGER THEY ARE THE HARDER THEY FALL!
It is not just the Windows 7 Phone(s). The Microsoft Courier was an even more vital failure. The last 30 Billion of the 60 Billion that Apple has gained over Microsoft has come when everyone was shocked that the Microsoft Courier failed to launch.
The interesting thing is that Microsoft had some really promising technology related to "Touch Computing" with Microsoft Surface. But it looks like Microsoft Surface never delivered on that either!
If Microsoft totally fails in the mobile space, you could compare it to IBM dismissing the PC over Mainframes, a real changing of the guard, everyone is watching!
Marcus
You advocate Apple blitzing your wallet by compromising your free will with a lack of choice?
Wow.
That's some impressive fanboy logic.
Yeah, WP7 is so uncluttered they can't even fit full words on the screen.![]()
No, I'm saying that if you are a marketing person, it is in your best interest to not offer too many choices. It's just one of those things, know how to sell to the masses and know how much choice gives people enough room to find something they'd use, and how much will cause them to get confused or decide to think it over.
I never said whether it was good for the consumer or not, I'm discussing why on the business end it may not be a good thing to offer too many choices. But, if you are trying to sell stuff, it is definitely something you need to keep in mind when deciding what choices to offer. The end point is to sell your product, not be as nice as possible to your clients. Being nice does you no good if you are trying to make money selling stuff if you don't sell anything.
The legitimate gripe many of us have is not that some people here say bad things about Apple. Not at all. The legitimate gripe many of us have is that some people here say nothing but bad things about Apple. Then they gripe about pro-Apple bias and the dreaded "Apple fanboy." On a Mac-oriented site. Rational logic would define this as trolling. Unfortunately, these incessant instigators are allowed to wreak their havoc unimpeded. Challenge them too vociferously and you end up in the timeout corner.
It's gone far beyond annoying.
Why don't you let the businesses worry about their business, cause that's not really our business.