Microsoft Unveils Windows Phone 7 Handsets
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haruhiko
macrumors 604
i.......Phone.
That's just, so amazingly inventive.
Oh no.... choice! I can't think for myself! Lord Turtleneck himself says choice is bad!
IMHO simple names like iPhone/Windows Phone are actually very good. A product name should be easy to remember and to be pronounced. This is especially important for the international market where most of the people do not speak English very well. Just imagine writing the word "Android" on a board and ask random people from Japan or China to pronounce it
Hal Itosis
macrumors 6502a
Exactly... and there's as much truth there as humor. It's not Apple that "needs to worry" about Microsoft's new gadget (as some others here are wont to claim)... it's more like Nokia and that ilk, which appeals to the non-Mac-using crowd who will be affected by this.Looks like a Droid killer to me...
What a beautifully crafted, back-handed compliment
What? . . . as if hoards of iPhone owners are gonna suddenly flock over to the DarkSide? Why? . . . because it runs Windows?!?!
HA!
It is to laugh.
NT1440
macrumors P6
Things such as security.
All I was getting at is your rhetoric is far over reaching, so you may want to focus it a little more so you don't look like a troll.
Mike225
macrumors 6502a
Exactly... and there's as much truth there as humor. It's not Apple that "needs to worry" about Microsoft's new gadget (as some others here are wont to claim)... it's more like Nokia and that ilk, which appeals to the non-Mac-using crowd who will be affected by this.
What? . . . as if hoards of iPhone owners are gonna suddenly flock over to the DarkSide? Why? . . . because it runs Windows?!?!
HA!
It is to laugh.
I hda a hart tmie inderstunding you're pose.
Hal Itosis
macrumors 6502a
LagunaSol
macrumors 601
tigress666
macrumors 68040
No, but it quoted the study.
And the author was using apple as an example.
Not to mention there were other articles I posted. But you know, because the guy I was arguing only wants to see his view, he'll find whatever reason he wants to decide not to pay attention (instead of maybe finding his own articles or studies that show differently).
My only point originally in ever replying is to note that yes, providing too much choice can actually be a bad thing when you are trying to sell something. It's not saying that providing choice is bad, but you don't want to confuse your market by too much. I know, it's a very cynical way of looking at people, but in general it is too. I have noticed myself if there is a lot of choice I'm more likely to go home and think about it. And then lose interest in it in the first place. And that is not what you want to do when you are trying to sell something. You want people to decide to buy when they are still interested. Not have them decide they need more time and have more time to cool off on wanting it and get disinterested, decide they didn't need it, decide they don't have the money/whatnot.
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
The "key difference" is that Apple is single-threaded and only focusses on one product at a time. Apple's home page is dedicated to the latest gadget that Apple is pushing.
Microsoft has many products, so the home page is an index page to get to the product line (Windows/Office/Xbox/Phone/...) one wishes, and various rotating links.
Having said that, though, http://www.microsoft.com/ shows me:
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delta function
macrumors newbie
You advocate Apple blitzing your wallet by compromising your free will with a lack of choice?
Wow.
That's some impressive fanboy logic.
LagunaSol
macrumors 601
Hmm. Microsoft announces a new mobile platform. New user joins MacRumors and immediately starts bashing Apple customers and proclaiming the beauty of "freedom of choice." (LOL @ "Microsoft" and "deciding for themselves").
Interesting.
And thus the WP7 astroturfing campaign begins in earnest.
delta function
macrumors newbie
Hmm. Microsoft announces a new mobile platform. New user joins MacRumors and immediately starts bashing Apple customers and proclaiming the beauty of "freedom of choice." (LOL @ "Microsoft" and "deciding for themselves").
Interesting.
And thus the WP7 astroturfing campaign begins in earnest.
And you continue your crusade of vacuous statements. Does your post count compensate for something?
Hal Itosis
macrumors 6502a
Hopefully you "new members" are astroturfing the sites of your real competition:
Best o' luck capturing the hearts and minds of 'Droid droids.
You'll not be converting us die-hard Macoholics any time soon.
YES! THE BIGGER THEY ARE THE HARDER THEY FALL!
It is not just the Windows 7 Phone(s). The Microsoft Courier was an even more vital failure. The last 30 Billion of the 60 Billion that Apple has gained over Microsoft has come when everyone was shocked that the Microsoft Courier failed to launch.
The interesting thing is that Microsoft had some really promising technology related to "Touch Computing" with Microsoft Surface. But it looks like Microsoft Surface never delivered on that either!
If Microsoft totally fails in the mobile space, you could compare it to IBM dismissing the PC over Mainframes, a real changing of the guard, everyone is watching!
Marcus
delta function
macrumors newbie
Hopefully you "new members" are astroturfing the sites of your real competition:
Best o' luck capturing the hearts and minds of 'Droid droids.
You'll not be converting us die-hard Macoholics any time soon.
What exactly is the relevance? Are you that desperate, grasping at straws for anything remotely resembling a connection? Oh, right, you might not have gotten your free case yet.
John Dillinger
macrumors regular
I get what youre saying about the choices and agree it would be true.. for some cases. If you're trying to get inexpensive impulse buys having too many options would not be a good thing.
But for things like cars, houses etc people want options. Not even necessarily in the little add-ons, the analogy is best likened to the variation in the form factors. I think in both car and houses this holds up well: not everyone want a convertible, hatchback, estate... some want insane performance, others want good fuel economy or be able to go off road.
With houses I think people are happy to have choices as well: city house, country houses, roof garden, number of garages etc etc. and many women can happily handle the choices of which colour to paint the walls, which sofa, what type of kitchen etc etc.
I dont think many people complain about these options, they add spice and variety to life. If everything was left to Apple all phones would have no buttons, be super thin, all home appliances would be grey aluminum and black colour combos. We'd all wear turtlenecks and jeans and sneakers. Sure that would be simpler but a hell of lot duller.
John Dillinger
macrumors regular
Marcus I never remember seeing Microsoft making any official statements on the Courier... thought it was more of a concept/prototype thing? Fail to see where all these people would be declaring it a failure/flop etc.
tigress666
macrumors 68040
No, I'm saying that if you are a marketing person, it is in your best interest to not offer too many choices. It's just one of those things, know how to sell to the masses and know how much choice gives people enough room to find something they'd use, and how much will cause them to get confused or decide to think it over.
I never said whether it was good for the consumer or not, I'm discussing why on the business end it may not be a good thing to offer too many choices. But, if you are trying to sell stuff, it is definitely something you need to keep in mind when deciding what choices to offer. The end point is to sell your product, not be as nice as possible to your clients. Being nice does you no good if you are trying to make money selling stuff if you don't sell anything
.John Dillinger
macrumors regular
Yeah, WP7 is so uncluttered they can't even fit full words on the screen.
Youve watched the video and are impressed, I can tell
Check out the browser comparison ones too.
Face it that iPhone home screen looks pretty poor and static compared to WP7, and that was pre-release stuff on an LG. The crappy background doesnt help but it looks messy and like some jail broken hackers phone. WP7 looks more classy, plus its animated and dynamic. Cant wait to play with the OS on some HTC hardware, and see how it evolves.
Im interested how quickly MS will update it with new features improvements etc. Im guessing not too long as its not like Apple will just sit back, neither Google or HP. Competition in this case definitely IS good
delta function
macrumors newbie
No, I'm saying that if you are a marketing person, it is in your best interest to not offer too many choices. It's just one of those things, know how to sell to the masses and know how much choice gives people enough room to find something they'd use, and how much will cause them to get confused or decide to think it over.
I never said whether it was good for the consumer or not, I'm discussing why on the business end it may not be a good thing to offer too many choices. But, if you are trying to sell stuff, it is definitely something you need to keep in mind when deciding what choices to offer. The end point is to sell your product, not be as nice as possible to your clients. Being nice does you no good if you are trying to make money selling stuff if you don't sell anything
Why don't you let the businesses worry about their business, cause that's not really our business.
Burger Thing
macrumors 65816
I so agree on this. I think most of the regulars here could easily name a handful of well known posters here, who have never posted anything but Anti-Apple stuff. On a
dedicated Forum. LOL. And as you stated correctly: they go on and complain about "fanboys" and the lack of balanced discussions. madstation
macrumors newbie
Exciting news. The Zune software player not only looks gorgeous but works like a charm. Can't wait to install it on my mac
tigress666
macrumors 68040
Because, it's interesting to discuss it. It's what I find interesting on this forum is reading people's takes on why a business would do something or what would be a good move for that business. I also like psychology a lot and studies like that do say something about the human being and how it thinks as well, not just from a marketing stand point.
Am I not allowed to find that kind of stuff interesting? Really all the time I see people argue on what is a good business move on this forum (regardless of if it is good for the customer). To me it's the most interesting stuff to read on here (long as they appear to be being objective).
And honestly, I do think people lose sight on this forum that they are all businesses all out to make money on the customer and tend to take things too personally from the company. Yeah, sometimes it does suck for consumers. You want to change that, you'll have to understand what the company is getting out of it and find some way of countering htat. Companies in the end are always going to do what is best for their bottom line. They really could care less about what is best for the consumer rather than what will sell the most stuff. Whining that they should allow you choice unfortunately isn't going to do anything, particularly if they make more money that way rather than listening to a few who would rather have the choice and would *still buy the product*. They sell more by listening to what markets best. Otherwise they go out of business.