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M. Most businesses use Windows PCs due to the low hardware cost. So, they use Microsoft Office. At least 90% of businesses use Microsoft Office. It's the de facto standard in business. If you want to send someone a document, you'll most likely have to send it in Microsoft Office format. You could send it to them in iWork format, but you'll likely get a response from them saying "I can't open it". You can't function in business without Microsoft Office because everyone else is using it.

Pretty much. In addtion to my day job as an accountant, Office is the end all be all. I also have a side gig helping small businesses do their bookkeeping. iWork simply is not viable. I can actually get by with Google Docs for word processing, but Excel is still the king in my field.
 
So....Do the office 2016 apps (all of them) still bounce in the dock 100 times before it finally opens? that is really getting annoying and now it looks like if you run el capitan you can run 2011 because it's gimped. Wonderful.

It takes Word three bounces for it to open on my early 2011 17" Macbook Pro with an SSD.
 
Does anyone have/use a number pad? Since 2016, mine is 100% useless. Tried on my macbook air as well, when I type numbers it backspaces them immediately. Odd little bug.
 
It takes Word three bounces for it to open on my early 2011 17" Macbook Pro with an SSD.

Mine takes about 20 bounces before opening (Mac Mini Late 2014,
2,6 GHz Intel Core i5, 8GB RAM 1TB HD).

On a MBA 2013 about 6 bounces before opening.

Considerably slower in comparison with Office 2011.
 
I have update and used about 3 hours (last updated). No crashed with me, but I think I need more time to give feedback for us.
Bad news: when i edited my post. My Office crashed :(
 



Microsoft today released updates for each of its Office 2016 apps, introducing feature improvements, security enhancements, and bug fixes to Outlook, Excel, PowerPoint, and Word. All apps have been updated with a security fix for vulnerabilities that could allow remote code execution should a user open a specially crafted Office file.

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All of the apps have also gained new Chinese and Japanese default fonts and improvements to the Visual Basic Editor that allows users to add modules and references and use debug shortcuts. Other fixes and improvements are listed below:

Outlook
- Improved VoiceOver support for weather in the Calendar feature.
- Email address is now included in the default message attribution when you reply and -forward.
- Message list is now displayed correctly when you switch folders by having the Reading Pane turned off.
- Improved Reminders functionality to reduce CPU consumption.
- Improved use of advanced search operators for non-English languages.

Word
- Ribbon extensibility. Use ribbon customization XML to customize the ribbon the way that you want it.
- Custom paper sizes in Page Setup are now supported.
- Find/Replace is corrected to move to the next matched word when Track Changes is turned on.
- Fixed crashes that occur when you use Mail Merge together with Outlook.
- Headers/Footers: Page numbering: Number of Pages option is corrected to display numbers greater than two digits.

Excel
- Ribbon extensibility. Use ribbon customization XML to customize the ribbon the way that you want it.
- Improved support for pasting from external applications.
- Scroll bars now correctly respect OS X scroll bar settings

PowerPoint
- Ribbon extensibility. Use ribbon customization XML to customize the ribbon the way that you want it.

It is not clear if today's Office 2016 update fixes problems that Office users have been having with Office 2016 and OS X El Capitan, as Microsoft does not outline specific fixes for those issues in the software release notes. Problems with Office 2016 and OS X El Capitan include frequent crashing, inaccessible email, and an inability to open some apps.

Microsoft has also released an update for Office 2011 that preserves ribbon customization in documents and allows calendar events with online meeting details to be edited in Outlook for Mac and opened in Outlook for Windows. Microsoft previously released an Office 2011 update that fixed issues users were having with OS X El Capitan.

The updates can be downloaded through Microsoft's AutoUpdate tool which is available within each app. The updates are available for OS X Yosemite and later.

Article Link: Microsoft Updates Office 2016 Apps With Security Fixes, Feature Improvements

http://www.macworld.com/article/299...de-fix-for-crashes-under-os-x-el-capitan.html

Microsoft on Tuesday updated Office 2016 for Mac with security patches and a host of smaller feature changes, but did not fix the constant-crash problem users have reported on OS X El Capitan, Apple’s newest operating system.

Instead, the company told customers to sit tight and wait for Apple to ship an update for El Capitan, aka OS X 10.11, strongly suggesting that the mess was Apple’s responsibility.

“On October 13, 2015, we released an update to Office 2016 for Mac ... [but] this update doesn’t address the issues experienced by Office customers with OS X 10.11 El Capitan,” the company said in an unsigned note on its support site. “We are actively working with Apple to ensure resolution with the next update of OS X 10.11 El Capitan.”

Microsoft has been taking a beating on its Office 2016 for Mac support discussion forum since Sept. 30, the day Apple released El Capitan. Since then, numerous threads have been produced by users looking for an explanation and a fix.

The longest thread so far—which harked back to early July, just a day after Microsoft shipped the final Office 2016 for Mac and Apple issued the first public beta of El Capitan—had logged nearly 48,000 views and contained more than 525 messages as of late Tuesday, both extremely large numbers for the forum.

Most of the crashes have involved Outlook, customers reported, but other applications, including Word, Excel and PowerPoint, have also regularly dropped dead, either separately or when Outlook went down. Computerworld staffers running Office 2016 for Mac on El Capitan-powered Macs have been affected as well.

Tuesday’s Office for Mac 2016 update—available only to consumers or businesses that have subscribed to a rent-not-own Office 365 plan—was billed as a security rollout, but it also included multiple non-security bug fixes and improvements for Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook and Word.

Although Microsoft said that Tuesday’s update did not include a fix for the Office 2016 for Mac crashes, some users who had installed the update reported that their applications had stopped dying. “I installed the Oct. 13 update to Office 2016 about 5-6 hours ago and have had no anomalies since,” said Coe Miles on Tuesday.

Computerworld suspected that El Capitan at least shared the blame after several staffers who had encountered crashes installed the public beta of OS X 10.11.1 and got some relief. While the dreaded crashes eventually returned, they have diminished in frequency when running OS X 10.11.1.

Apple does not set timetables for its OS X (or iOS) updates, and did not reply to Computerworld’s questions about responsibility, but the release pace—just six days between the second and third betas of 10.11—may give Office 2016 for Mac users hope for a speedy resolution.

Or not. Microsoft, it seems, can do nothing more than wait. Like its customers
 
You're heavily biased since you work for IBM and you're stating that IBM is actually using it's own version of Office. Congrats, it's always great to see a company use it's own software.

Granted I'm biased because I work for MS but I think market share numbers speak for themselves. IBM and Microsoft are direct competitors in pretty much every realm so I wouldn't expect IBM to embrace much of MS's portfolio just like how we don't embrace much, if any, of IBM's portfolio.

And of course, even though I work for Microsoft, my views do not officially represent Microsoft. These are solely my opinions and nothing more.
It’s a little ironic that Microsoft and IBM are direct competitors because at one point, they practically worked together. But then IBM Clone makers pretty much beat IBM out of the PC space by making cheaper PCs, which is why IBM mainly makes servers now instead of PCs.
 
Not really.

I work at IBM and we actively encourage using Lotus Symphony instead of Office. We also use Open Office and iWork. Google Drive is the only thing that we say you absolutely should not use (because Google scrapes the documents).

And IBM moves at glacier speeds. If IBM not only allows, but encourages, using alternatives to Microsoft Office, I think that most companies have probably stopped considering Microsoft Office to be a must-have.
I looked for Lotus Symphony on Amazon, but I couldn’t find it. Is it only available for enterprise users?

If it’s only available to enterprise users, then that would be the reason why it’ll never beat Microsoft Office - then people can only use it at work and can’t use it at home.
 
Not really.

I work at IBM and we actively encourage using Lotus Symphony instead of Office. We also use Open Office and iWork. Google Drive is the only thing that we say you absolutely should not use (because Google scrapes the documents).

And IBM moves at glacier speeds. If IBM not only allows, but encourages, using alternatives to Microsoft Office, I think that most companies have probably stopped considering Microsoft Office to be a must-have.
I think you’re in the minority. The far fringes of the minority too.
 
Honestly, I think that the people here who claim that MS Office is no longer necessary... Simply haven't had very many jobs. I am in academia which is pretty much the most Apple-friendly environment you are going to find (just look at any university classroom).... And MS Office is completely still necessary.

It is true that there are better word processors, but at the end of the day, you are probably still converting your document over to Word and making sure it opens nicely in MS Word. PP and Excel, I don't know much about, though I hear that Excel is very powerful on PCs.

I use Scrivener, and I have used Mellel and a few of the others like Nisus. Great word processors. At the end of the day, the only format really acceptable is .doc or .docx and it has to also open without formatting issues in MS Word.

As for every other job I've had... MS Office has been the standard (and no substitutes allowed).

I'm sure there are some out there that don't require it (i.e. IBM because they have their own software), but it currently dominates the market generally.
 
Honestly, I think that the people here who claim that MS Office is no longer necessary... Simply haven't had very many jobs. I am in academia which is pretty much the most Apple-friendly environment you are going to find (just look at any university classroom).... And MS Office is completely still necessary.

It is true that there are better word processors, but at the end of the day, you are probably still converting your document over to Word and making sure it opens nicely in MS Word. PP and Excel, I don't know much about, though I hear that Excel is very powerful on PCs.

I use Scrivener, and I have used Mellel and a few of the others like Nisus. Great word processors. At the end of the day, the only format really acceptable is .doc or .docx and it has to also open without formatting issues in MS Word.

As for every other job I've had... MS Office has been the standard (and no substitutes allowed).

I'm sure there are some out there that don't require it (i.e. IBM because they have their own software), but it currently dominates the market generally.
Nail on the head right here.
 
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I personally didn't have any issues with El Capitan and Office 2016, but Outlook 2016 is slower when switching emails. Now it takes about two seconds for the content to display when I switch emails I am reading. Odd. Of course it could be that Office 365 is slow today since I didn't really pay attention before I updated to the latest version.
 
I looked for Lotus Symphony on Amazon, but I couldn’t find it. Is it only available for enterprise users?

If it’s only available to enterprise users, then that would be the reason why it’ll never beat Microsoft Office - then people can only use it at work and can’t use it at home.


The last update to Symphony was released in 2012.
http://ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21661339
IBM formally withdrew Symphony from the market in 2014.

IBM's suggested replacement (see above) is Apache OpenOffice.
 
Not really.

I work at IBM

I work at the same place and have a company issued Macbook. In the MAC@IBM app store is MS Word and symphony is nowhere to be found.
Symphony like Notes is built on eclipse and I could not recommend a java desktop application to anyone. Even on a i7 quad core with 16GB of ram, it runs like a slow dog.
That being said, when you work with others in a corporate environment the last thing you want is your customers to open up a OpenOffice or Symphony doc in MS Word and have it render like crap. It's not worth the pain.
MSFT must have had El Cap since day 1 developer beta or even earlier. The fact that they still haven't got it stable is a damning indictment of how MSFT really feels about Mac users.
 
Even with the latest announcement from Microsoft hinting that the issue will be fixed when 10.11.1 is released by apple, it still won't give us the same compatibility as we had under yosemite.

Those of us who use OneDrive for Business, are still out in the cold (though hard to know for how long)
Mac OS 10.11 (El Capitan) is not a supported OS for the OneDrive for Business Preview application. We are releasing a new client that will support Mac OS 10.11. If you wish to be on the list to receive the new client preview, you can fill out a signup form here.
https://community.office365.com/en-us/f/153/t/411868

Has anyone registered for this preview of the new El-Capitan compatible client, and received the software?
 
After 24 hours, it crashed again using the new MS update.

I have tried to install the 10.11.1 beta but my machine hangs every time - waiting for a real fix
 
M. Most businesses use Windows PCs due to the low hardware cost. So, they use Microsoft Office. At least 90% of businesses use Microsoft Office. It's the de facto standard in business. If you want to send someone a document, you'll most likely have to send it in Microsoft Office format. You could send it to them in iWork format, but you'll likely get a response from them saying "I can't open it". You can't function in business without Microsoft Office because everyone else is using it.

Yes, Office is the standard in office environments. But it did not save the Mac.

Microsoft invested 150 million in Apple by buying non-voting preferred stock. That's what gave Apple the financial boost. Not Office. Not Internet Explorer. Just cash.

If MSFT held that stock until recently, it'd be worth well over 20 billion dollars. Instead, they sold it sometime in 2003.
 



Microsoft today released updates for each of its Office 2016 apps, introducing feature improvements, security enhancements, and bug fixes to Outlook, Excel, PowerPoint, and Word. All apps have been updated with a security fix for vulnerabilities that could allow remote code execution should a user open a specially crafted Office file.

officeformac2016-800x159.jpg

All of the apps have also gained new Chinese and Japanese default fonts and improvements to the Visual Basic Editor that allows users to add modules and references and use debug shortcuts. Other fixes and improvements are listed below:

Outlook
- Improved VoiceOver support for weather in the Calendar feature.
- Email address is now included in the default message attribution when you reply and -forward.
- Message list is now displayed correctly when you switch folders by having the Reading Pane turned off.
- Improved Reminders functionality to reduce CPU consumption.
- Improved use of advanced search operators for non-English languages.

Word
- Ribbon extensibility. Use ribbon customization XML to customize the ribbon the way that you want it.
- Custom paper sizes in Page Setup are now supported.
- Find/Replace is corrected to move to the next matched word when Track Changes is turned on.
- Fixed crashes that occur when you use Mail Merge together with Outlook.
- Headers/Footers: Page numbering: Number of Pages option is corrected to display numbers greater than two digits.

Excel
- Ribbon extensibility. Use ribbon customization XML to customize the ribbon the way that you want it.
- Improved support for pasting from external applications.
- Scroll bars now correctly respect OS X scroll bar settings

PowerPoint
- Ribbon extensibility. Use ribbon customization XML to customize the ribbon the way that you want it.

It is not clear if today's Office 2016 update fixes problems that Office users have been having with Office 2016 and OS X El Capitan, as Microsoft does not outline specific fixes for those issues in the software release notes. Problems with Office 2016 and OS X El Capitan include frequent crashing, inaccessible email, and an inability to open some apps.

Microsoft has also released an update for Office 2011 that preserves ribbon customization in documents and allows calendar events with online meeting details to be edited in Outlook for Mac and opened in Outlook for Windows. Microsoft previously released an Office 2011 update that fixed issues users were having with OS X El Capitan.

The updates can be downloaded through Microsoft's AutoUpdate tool which is available within each app. The updates are available for OS X Yosemite and later.

Update October 14 11:18 AM: Microsoft has posted a support document acknowledging that this update does not address the crashing issues under OS X El Capitan and suggesting the fixes will require an update to El Capitan itself.

Article Link: Microsoft Updates Office 2016 Apps With Security Fixes, Feature Improvements [Updated]
 
The update worked for me with 2011. Outlook wasn't even functioning before the update, now I'm able to use it as before. I'm just afraid to upgrade to 2016 now...
 
You're heavily biased since you work for IBM and you're stating that IBM is actually using it's own version of Office. Congrats, it's always great to see a company use it's own software.

Granted I'm biased because I work for MS but I think market share numbers speak for themselves. IBM and Microsoft are direct competitors in pretty much every realm so I wouldn't expect IBM to embrace much of MS's portfolio just like how we don't embrace much, if any, of IBM's portfolio.

And of course, even though I work for Microsoft, my views do not officially represent Microsoft. These are solely my opinions and nothing more.

Since you work for MS - a question for you. What happened to the Bold button on the ribbon in ppt 2016? There seems to be no simple way to create bold text. Why take the feature away? Will it come back?
 
Pretty much. In addtion to my day job as an accountant, Office is the end all be all. I also have a side gig helping small businesses do their bookkeeping. iWork simply is not viable. I can actually get by with Google Docs for word processing, but Excel is still the king in my field.

Have you ever used ASAP with your Excel? I have had the free version for a number of years.

http://www.asap-utilities.com/
 
Since you work for MS - a question for you. What happened to the Bold button on the ribbon in ppt 2016? There seems to be no simple way to create bold text. Why take the feature away? Will it come back?
Sorry I don't work on the Office team nor do I work for MS PR so I couldn't officially comment on anything even if I knew something.

With that being said, I fired up PowerPoint 2015 version 15.15 running on OS X 10.11. I am able to bold text with the bold button in the ribbon. I have attached a picture showing bold text and you can even see the bold button.

It appears that you might need to adjust a setting since I'm able to see the bold button. I would ensure that you are running Office 2016 version 15.15 and I would ensure that you expand the window large enough so that the entire ribbon can be displayed. I would also try to ensure that the expand button on the top right of your window is expanded to show the ribbon.

If you still are having issues, attach a screenshot of your screen so that I can see what you're seeing.

Again, I'm helping you as a MR forum member and not officially as a MS representative or employee so take my advice with a grain of salt :)
 

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