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For the same reason Apple doesn't license OSX to other hardware manufacturers. Because then they'd be competing with themselves.
It's going to require something that extreme. They had to do the same thing when they launched Zune, no? Kill their other drm-ladened musing offerings?

Besides, they can keep doing what they are doing and the spinoff could be a high-end platform that can coexist with Windows, but be something more elite in a closed, MS-controlled environment.

For those that haven't seen it, even Zune's most die-hard fan has now abandoned ship: http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/zune-guy-fed-up-with-zune-seeks-to-cover-up-tattoos/
 
So Bill Gates has been out of the office for, what, 10 seconds now and all Ballmer can do is pee his pants and send a email to his employees saying to replicate Apple's business model?

Too bad Apple's business model is constantly flexing and changing...

i think MS needs some kick ass product designers. then... apple will be in trouble.

If it were that easy, MS would have dominated years ago. They HAVE good designers, but they also have a typical, overgrown corporate environment that takes a good idea and bastardizes it until its a fraction of what it used to be.

For example: http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2008/07/23

What Apple has, is a focused, brilliant leader who has uncompromising sensibilities and knows exactly what he wants, and guides (harshly at times) his team to make THE thing he wants. That is an environment and a success story that is extremely hard to replicate. (though MS has their share of successes too....)
 
Well, it makes sense... The world of consumer electronics is becoming a lot less "Wild West" where roughians patch together solutions to try to make things work well together. We're reaching an age of unification... hardware and software becoming one. I think the iPhone is probably the best example I can think of.

It at least a good sign that Microsoft is sensing this and is moving with the trend. I wish them the best in their realignment. Competition is very good for all end-users.

-Clive
 
Dell comes pretty close to barebones on their workstation configurations. CD-ROM drives until Vista was out, 1 GB of RAM, and 80 GB SATA drives.

I remember those days too. Getting an XPS system for around $1000 simply because the case cost $600. Filling up the internals along the way. That was the case with the G4/G5 towers or yore. For $1500/$2000 respectively you could get a barebones tower with just enough CPU but a lot of expansion.

Actually, I can't. It's beyond my price range, too big of a screen, a way faster processor than I want, ect. ect. ect.

I really DO need a Macbook with dedicated graphics.

I love the way some people think they can justify up selling you on a system.

Everyone could use a MacBook with dedicated CPU, or there is still that need for a 13.3" MBP.
 
Doh! Thanks.

well for MS it doesn't matter if people buy because they want windows or because their boss tells them to want windows.
So true. Fortune 500, governmental agencies and the military -- the three largest computer purchasing segments in the US -- purchase PCs running Windows.

Until this changes, Windows will dominate. Face it, folks want to use what they are comfortable with.
 
First the zune and now this, am i the only one who finds it pathetically sad that microsofts attempt at being innovative is really just imitating apple? Which in a sense means they're already a step behind before they've even hit the ground.
 
I don't get it. Apple has a tiny 8% share of the market. Why is MS so obsessed with trying to kill Apple. They have a government approve monopoly why bother with Apple?

Microsoft is like the great cattle barons of the old West...they weren't greedy, they just wanted all the land contiguous to their ranches.:D
 
Steve Ballmer is on the same tier as the CEO of Palm, an idiot and lacking the knowledge and wherewithal to monitor the market and adapt to changes.

Old farts that have fallen out of the tech world and inundate us with outdated technology that caters to outmoded market segments.

I may not be a huge fan of the iPhone, but it has changed the market substantially, while those that were flourishing in it tried their best to give users a better device with crappy OS.

Ballmer will fail at much of what he tries to do with Microsoft, though I do hope that the next version of Windows gives Apple a run for it's money, and makes me consider buying a PC.

I completely agree with your assessment of Ballmer. The problem is not even that Microsoft is a bad company, the problem is that Microsoft is a public company (which means certain expectations from investors) that has to deal with a lot of legacy issues (which means certain expectations from customers).

But instead of dealing with it honestly and objectively, Ballmer says they're going to implement some sort of 'no compromises' solution. That's impossible. You can't be all things to all people, all of the time. If they would only make some realistic choices, Microsoft could thrive again (it's not like they're losing money, they're just not achieving the same growth they used to.)

Exactly so. The Microsoft we know today was the product of an historical quirk, an accident, which made them think that this so-called "component" model was a work of their genius and could be implemented in other markets. Now after literally decades of trying, they appear to be giving up and accepting that they have to design products more like Apple does. Good luck with that, is all I can say.

Any company with the size and success of Microsoft cannot just be considered a historical quirk. If anything, objectively speaking I would consider Apple a historical quirk, a company whose success largely rests upon the back of one man- Steve Jobs- a man who won't be at Apple forever.

But in the end, models are only a rough approximation of reality. The reality is Apple has executed much better than Microsoft the last few years, regardless of their operating and design models.

Competition is relevant for all those companies' missions of delivering "better." But competition is irrelevant to Apple's mission of delivering the BEST. If they were the only computer company on earth with a 100% monopoly, I believe they/Steve would still be constantly improving their products in trying to deliver the best. That is what drives them.

No. Competition always drives companies and individuals to reach heights they never thought possible. Competition is what drives Apple to not only create the best products, but at the best possible price points they can deliver. Competition also drives companies internally. Competition also provides an inspiration or starting point for your new products. Apple didn't invent mp3 players, or mp3's for that matter. They didn't invent the GUI either, the inspiration came from another company which could be regarded as a competitor.

A certain degree of complacency is inherent in human nature.

If a company (any company) essentially existed in its own vacuum, it wouldn't be nearly as successful due to the direct/indirect influences of other companies or competitors.
 
It's going to require something that extreme. They had to do the same thing when they launched Zune, no? Kill their other drm-ladened musing offerings?

And look how well that worked out. It was just another signal that partnering with Microsoft is a dangerous game. This is a company that eats its young.
 
I don't get it. Apple has a tiny 8% share of the market. Why is MS so obsessed with trying to kill Apple. They have a government approve monopoly why bother with Apple?

I think some of it is the brand. Microsoft's/Apple's marketshares are inversely proportional to their brand images in the marketplace. To some extent, "brand Microsoft's" constantly-bruised corporate ego leads to more of their attention on shiny, loved "brand Apple" than Apple's marketshare warrants.
 
Somebody gets it.

Not only are they too large and unfocused (thank Ballmer for that), they really have no experience with making the end-to-end model work for them, and too little control over the OEM hardware market to implement the strategy, even if they had one, which apparently they don't. All talk no action. Classic Microsoft.

Totally agree. The only fronts where they have some success are their silo divisions, such as the xbox. I don't count Zune in there because their software is too tied to the OS to be completely independent of the typically problems they have.

I happened to be reading the MiniMicrosoft blog today; which is always fun to see how disorganized they are internally. Good, but sad, read into what could be.
 
Competitive pressures are not the engine of Apple's quality.

"Competition is good because it pushes Apple" -- this Economics 101 idea is always being touted throughout the MacRumors forums. I think it's worth saying that competition is not what drives Apple/Steve Jobs. They want to make the best products. Not "slightly better than the other guy" products, the best ones. They are not driven by what's out there, or with keeping up with the Joneses. They do not "get nervous" when a competitor adds some feature or reduces the price of something. They do not "worry" that their products have to be up to par with everyone else's. They do not improve a product to compete, they improve it to make it better. Sure, Apple has to play in the same market like everyone else and I'm not suggesting they can totally defy the laws of competitive economics... but I am suggesting that it's not what drives them, and it's not what inspires them, and I don't believe it's what constitutes their decision-making.

Competition is relevant for all those companies' missions of delivering "better." But competition is irrelevant to Apple's mission of delivering the BEST. If they were the only computer company on earth with a 100% monopoly, I believe they/Steve would still be constantly improving their products in trying to deliver the best. That is what drives them.

I don't think Apple is striving to be #1 in sales, or is trying to have the products with the most features. And yes, you’re right -- they ARE striving to put out the best products.

BUT -- to say that they are devoid of ANY competitive qualities whatsoever is not only naive for anyone to say, but it would be absolutely foolish for them as a business.

Apple is seen in such high regard BECAUSE of their quality products and services. When huge missteps like MobileMe happens, it creates a much bigger PR nightmare than if it was MS who unveiled it (where people would probably be shrugging as if it was the norm). Apple needs to stay competitive in order to keep their integrity and good name in good standing. They can’t afford more disasters like MobileMe and firmware 2.0 and the iPhone activation mess (which yes, I know -- is not their fault, but it unfortunately happened at the same time as all of their other problems, and the general public just clumps it all together).

If MicroSoft really DOES step up their game, and delivers quality products that gain people’s respect (it remains to be seen, of course), you better believe it will hurt Apple. When people have a choice of switching to an unknown company that’s getting lots of bad press (warranted or not), or sticking with something familiar that’s suddenly doing well -- what do you think they’ll choose?

Apple DOES need to be competitive in order to keep their respect intact. And I believe that they ARE competitive, by striving to be the best. There's no way they could have gotten this far if they hadn't been...
 
Competitive pressures are not the engine of Apple's quality.

"Competition is good because it pushes Apple" -- this Economics 101 idea is always being touted throughout the MacRumors forums. I think it's worth saying that competition is not what drives Apple/Steve Jobs. They want to make the best products. Not "slightly better than the other guy" products, the best ones. They are not driven by what's out there, or with keeping up with the Joneses. They do not "get nervous" when a competitor adds some feature or reduces the price of something. They do not "worry" that their products have to be up to par with everyone else's. They do not improve a product to compete, they improve it to make it better. Sure, Apple has to play in the same market like everyone else and I'm not suggesting they can totally defy the laws of competitive economics... but I am suggesting that it's not what drives them, and it's not what inspires them, and I don't believe it's what constitutes their decision-making.

Competition is relevant for all those companies' missions of delivering "better." But competition is irrelevant to Apple's mission of delivering the BEST. If they were the only computer company on earth with a 100% monopoly, I believe they/Steve would still be constantly improving their products in trying to deliver the best. That is what drives them.

Yeah, because we've never seen any evidence of any Apple product being pushed out before it's ready. And Apple isn't interested in making money as a corporation, no their just a charity...

This sort of blind view about Apple is quite possibly what is driving their ability to shovel us all **** right now.
 
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So Bill Gates has been out of the office for, what, 10 seconds now and all Ballmer can do is pee his pants and send a email to his employees saying to replicate Apple's business model?

Too bad Apple's business model is constantly flexing and changing...

Apple's restricted model has been there for 20 years, change? maybe cosmo changes, nothing to the core.

I doubt M$ is abandoning open hardware model, Thats still 90% of the market, what Ballmer is probably thinking, is just to spend some $$$ to expand, on top of its current model, a model with restricted hardware/softwares like apple did with macs.

I think The netbooks, such as MSI, EEE, etc, are all very close to this model, and M$ is said to optimization winXP for them. I would imagine this is what they are trying to go. Maybe with some high-end types as extra to increase competition with macs in rich market.

Yeah, because we've never seen any evidence of any Apple product being pushed out before it's ready. And Apple isn't interested in making money as a corporation, no their just a charity...

This sort of blind view about Apple is quite possibly what is driving their ability to shovel us all **** right now.

absolutely, apple's quality control is in the toilet, hardware, software, and online service. I can't believe somebody would still blatantly making false claims in face of mobileme fiasco, with RSS, discoloration, iPod Touch color issue, iMac LCD issue, with 10 month premature leopard.

Just this type of lacking any real criticism from the users, that encouraged apple kept putting out these obviously not ready product. This needs to stop.
 
There is NOTHING that Microsoft can do that will EVER make me go back to Windows as my primary operating system. Windows is fundamentally flawed in its design - just look at the number of blue-screened self-checkout machines, airport notice boards, etc.

When a 14 year-old kid can bring down the entire network from one PC at his middle school, you know that there's a fundamental problem.

The only way that Microsoft can escape its bad image is to do a complete ground-up redesign, like Apple did with the OS9 - OS X switch. The entire system needs to be locked down - hard.

But it doesn't matter to me as I won't ever buy a PC again.
 
Any company with the size and success of Microsoft cannot just be considered a historical quirk. If anything, objectively speaking I would consider Apple a historical quirk, a company whose success largely rests upon the back of one man- Steve Jobs- a man who won't be at Apple forever.

I agree that Microsoft is not a quirk because they're not. Their day in the sun may be coming to an end, at least in their current form (not saying they're going to die, that is silly). But I wouldn't go so far as to say Apple is the quirk. Companies that are driven to success by a strong leader are not a quirk. In fact, that is usually how things happen. Visionaries bring success, not committees. Committees are good at refining the status quo. Overly large committees are too scared to offend anyone that they usually screw up whatever they're delegated. Overly stupid visionaries think they're perfect and drive themselves into the ground.
 
The component model only works if you have a monopoly, thus maintained by inertia and user ignorance. The end-to-end model requieres state-of-the-art and quality, awesome user experience and ease of use. Something that Microsoft cannot even dream of. That is why the day 25% of people use Mac, Windows will be history in three years.
 
The component model only works if you have a monopoly, thus maintained by inertia and user ignorance. The end-to-end model requieres state-of-the-art and quality, awesome user experience and ease of use. Something that Microsoft cannot even dream of. That is why the day 25% of people use Mac, Windows will be history in three years.

Thats total imaginary statements with absolutely no logic behind it. If anything, component model invites competition.
 
How are they going to create a good "end-to-end" experience when they can't even get one piece (the OS) right? You think Apple had problems with the Mobile Me update? Wait until you see Microsoft try to implement something like painless syncing. Or a good mobile web browser (Gosh, how how are we going to fit all 600 toolbar icons into Mobile IE?). Or a retail experience that doesn't look like Walmart and smell like Ballmer? I hope they really do something good, but confidence is low...extremely low.

Epic fail.

Great point. While the last week or two has been a little disappointing, as far as I understand it a very small percentage of users continue to have mobile me mail troubles, and from my perspective the whole launch went relatively well. Three weeks from now will these hicups be remembered, let alone commented on?

Over a year since Vista launch and M$ just recently commented that it is finally ready to be competative. They have a LOOONG way to go before seriously competing with Apple's quality, AND (not or) Apple has a long way further to fall.
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Any company with the size and success of Microsoft cannot just be considered a historical quirk. If anything, objectively speaking I would consider Apple a historical quirk, a company whose success largely rests upon the back of one man- Steve Jobs- a man who won't be at Apple forever.

Microsoft really is the product of an historical quirk, several really. The key quirk was IBM losing control of the PC hardware platform. Microsoft wasn't responsible for this development, Compaq was. Microsoft just happened to be perfectly positioned to reap the rewards of the PC clone industry -- which IBM certainly never intended to develop, and nobody, Microsoft included, anticipated. This quirk created the very unusual split between the hardware and OS manufacturers, or the "component model" as we're calling it today. Microsoft has been trying for decades to duplicate the success of this model in other markets, with a notable lack of success. Others have also tried and failed. This doesn't come as much of a surprise to those of us who know that its success in the PC market was the result of a series of historical accidents which are unlikely to occur again.
 
Great point. While the last week or two has been a little disappointing, as far as I understand it a very small percentage of users continue to have mobile me mail troubles, and from my perspective the whole launch went relatively well. Three weeks from now will these hicups be remembered, let alone commented on?

Over a year since Vista launch and M$ just recently commented that it is finally ready to be competative. They have a LOOONG way to go before seriously competing with Apple's quality, AND (not or) Apple has a long way further to fall.
:apple:

you should read reviews of mobileme, its bad beyond hiccups.

PS. Vista sold 180millions and has 18% market share now. How much does leopard has?
 
Good news!

In my opinion, Microsoft (the enterprise) has become too much bulky and will have hard time achieving their new goal.
Apple shouldn't be afraid.
 
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