Milk and Mass Propaganda

[amateurmacfreak]

I hate milk b/c of all the propaganda crap.
That's why I very rarely drink it.

I'm still sad to here that Horizon is bad. My family drinks their milk, and if they're trying to degrade organic standards....

 

[Kingsly]

American Dietetic Association

"Food and Nutrition Misinformation on the Internet

The Internet is a rapidly expanding source of food and nutrition information. Forty-six percent of those participating in a 2005 Food Marketing Institute survey said they used the Internet on a regular basis. Although people are increasingly relying on the Internet for nutrition information,(10) consumers must be informed that the accuracy of information appearing on Web sites is not governed by any regulatory agency. As a result, sites featuring sound, science-based content coexist with sites containing questionable, inaccurate, or alarming nutrition information promoted by individuals and groups supporting unscientific views."

British Dietetic Assn.
Dieticians of Canada
Nicholas Institute for Sports Medicine
National Cancer Institute has no contra-indications
- the only studies of cancer that involved milk that I could find showed that people who grew up in US and Russian states where and when atomic weapons testing took place, had higher levels of thyroid cancer, which was linked to radioactive iodine ingested with milk (presumably from cows grazing on contaminated pastureland) and noted that the incidence dropped with the cessation of testing.
American Institute for Cancer Research has no contraindication for milk, and includes milk-based recipes in its recommendations


Of course, it is true to say that millions of people don't tolerate milk. If you don't then it isn;t a good food choice for you. If you do, though, the fact that someone else is intolerant it not reason to stop consuming milk.

Office of Disease Prevention and Health Promotion
There are studies that present weak evidence of drinking large amounts of whole milk (and not any other type) with increased ovarian cancer. "However, since the association was a weak one, the new report is no reason to stop drinking milk in moderation, the researchers note.... Although [whole] milk consumption may increase the risk of ovarian cancer, this cancer is relatively uncommon. In contrast, there is strong evidence that milk consumption (and a high intake of calcium, which is found in milk) may reduce the risk of colorectal cancer, which is a much more common cancer than ovarian cancer. Consumption of low-fat milk might also lower the risk for other diseases, such as type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease.""

CanadaRAM, I like your style.

Despite what sensationalists would have you believe, facts are good for you.

 

[Stampyhead]

Until the 20th Century, most of humanity drank raw milk. In the US, raw milk is illegal is most states. It is possible, though not necessarily true , that this was done for profit. It is far more profitable to pasteurize milk and extend it's shelf-life. Pasteurization also makes it possible to use milk from less-than-healthy animals, as the pasteurization process kills most of the harmful germs in that milk. This is also a potentially cost-cutting procedure.

We lived in Salt Lake City for a while when I was a kid and there was a dairy not far from our house where we would go to buy raw milk. Sometimes, if you went early enough in the morning, it would still be warm from being in the cow! (shudder...)
I never really liked milk and I don't drink it at all now as an adult. Although I haven't done much research on the subject myself, I truly believe that milk is intended for babies and should not be consumed by anyone old enough to eat solid foods. Calcium can be found in plenty of other foods, like bananas. These are just my opinions, however, and are not based on any sold scientific research. They are also not meant to dissuade anyone from drinking milk, should they so desire. To each his/her own.

 

[LethalWolfe]

We lived in Salt Lake City for a while when I was a kid and there was a dairy not far from our house where we would go to buy raw milk. Sometimes, if you went early enough in the morning, it would still be warm from being in the cow! (shudder...)
I never really liked milk and I don't drink it at all now as an adult. Although I haven't done much research on the subject myself, I truly believe that milk is intended for babies and should not be consumed by anyone old enough to eat solid foods. Calcium can be found in plenty of other foods, like bananas. These are just my opinions, however, and are not based on any sold scientific research. They are also not meant to dissuade anyone from drinking milk, should they so desire. To each his/her own.

Your pretty much unfounded opinion has been noted.


Lethal

 

[scem0]

my sister is currently attending a gourmet cooking school in NYC and they are very pro-raw milk. I've never had the stuff, myself, but I'd like to try it someday.

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[rickvanr]

Well I love milk. 2% (or 1% if its chocolate milk), it's yummy. I'm also a big fan of most diary products.

Cheese, ice cream, sour cream, etc..

 

[njmac]

I occasionally drink raw goat milk and it tastes really great plus I make (raw) goat cheese as a hobby. Raw milk is the best if you have it available to you to drink and absolutely 100% neccessary for cheese making. I like raw yogurt too.

I do buy my kids organic milk. I know the controversy about it but its still better than feeding them milk filled with hormones and pesticides.

I can see not drinking a glass of milk, but I would miss ice cream and bechamel and many other recipes that include milk plus I do like milk on cereal.

 

[adk]

Can anybody give me a link to information on milk's benfits/risks from a respectable source? I'm not going to believe what PETA has to say about milk, they use about as much propaganda as mao did.

 

[Koodauw]

Correction: Cows nourish baby cows with cow's milk.

aren't we all little heifers?

I like the stuff, so I drink it. Course I do live in Wisconsin, so it practically law here.

 

[Leareth]

two points : milk is made for babies to drink before they can eat other stuff
two: most adult people do like dairy products even if they sometimes dont know they are consuming them, just read the nutrition labels of foods , how often do you come across the ingredient "milk solids" where you would never expects it, like beef jerky, sausages, crackers etc. we are not going to stop consuming milk as adults...

I dont like drinking commercial milk that comes from medicated cows, the medication gets excreted in to the milk and we consume it. Plus pasturized milk is "dead" anyway.
Go for cheese made from raw milk or yoghurt made with bioactive ingredients... not necessarily good for you but better.

 

[sushi]

I grew up on the farm. Worked at a dairy farm in HS.

Still drink milk.

Raw/Whole milk is great when it is fresh.

Unfortunately today, many cows are injected or fed chemicals that end up in our food supply. Same holds true for beef.

I've tried soy milk and other alternatives. None taste as good to me. So I think that I will stick with cows milk but watch my intake amount as I get older.

 

[iTwitch]

... yeah, there's no way I'm drinking 5-15 cups of tea and coffee a day, without milk!

Hear, hear.

In other news:

scem0 trampled by rampaging herd of dairy cows.

 

[Abstract]

Scientists everywhere should be trying to find alternative ways to make cheese.

If they had a pizza place that used only soy milk cheese in their pizza, I'd shop there. And I'm curious about soy ice cream. I haven't had it because it's expensive and I don't think I could afford it being a student, but I guess just once wouldn't be so bad.

 

[iSaint]

Hear, hear.

In other news:

scem0 trampled by rampaging herd of dairy cows.

It's the Running of the Bull from the mouth!

Skim for me. Switched to skim over 10 years ago and love it. Couldn't have cookies without it!

 

[takao]

i don't know if switching to soy milk is any better since more than 1/3 of all soy in the USA is genetically manipulated

well everything in moderation.. i mostly consume my milk in the form of cheese nowadays and only from time to time a cacao or cereals with milk (and i buy 3.5 % fat milk .. it's bad enough that it is homogenized and pasteurized)

but injecting hormones and antibioticas is much more regulated/banned around here so it's not that bad

 

[Queso]

i don't know if switching to soy milk is any better since more than 1/3 of all soy in the USA is genetically manipulated

One more reason to love living in the EU. GM soya is banned here.

I'm not totally against dairy BTW. I love manchego cheese, even though that's from sheep rather than cows, and eat a lot of greek yoghurt. I just think that this idea we need milk in large quantities is one of those post-WW2 things like "meat with every meal" that just ended up causing as many problems as benefits. Apes in the wild mostly eat plants. I think we're supposed to follow their example.

 

[CHAOS STEP]

Apes in the wild mostly eat plants. I think we're supposed to follow their example.

Apes also throw their poo around

 

[Queso]

Apes also throw their poo around

So do some humans if certain websites are to be believed

 

[Boggle]

I just want to know everyone's thoughts on Milk. It doesn't take much research to find that milk does not "do the body good". Milk has very few health benefits going for it and increases the risk of contracting many types of cancers.

Milk (and arguably the rest of the dairy industry) is the poster example of propaganda. Ask any lay-person is milk is healthy, they will tell you it is. Ask legitimate health experts what they think about milk, you'll get a completely different answer - and it won't be a good one.

Google around, you'll see what I'm talking about.

e

I don't believe you want to hear about anybody's thoughts. I'm out and out saying that you just wanted to tell ppl how crap milk is. So stop pretending you want some kind of debate, when you just want to promote a specific POV. And I agree w/ you that milk is not healthy. I just don't think you're being honest about your intentions.

Alpro soya milk is the way to go. That's the one Starbucks uses in it's soy lattés. Thank God!!

Keep your dairy intake low. A little is good for you. Too much is very bad, especially for women.

1. Milk (basically all dairy) isn't great for the body. And 1 + 1 = 2.
2. Therre is not such thing as "soy milk" it's soy juice.
3. "I don't know a lot, but I know you need a breast for milk." - Lewis Black.
4. Soy isn't what's good for you. It's not being a fat lazy slob that's good for you. It all comes back to being an endotherm. Insulation w/ balanced ventilation powered by circulation, regulated by metabolism...just like ppl and their goddamn overheated MBPs.

 

[Queso]

Ahem....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_milk

 

[taytho]

i am going to have to go ahead and chime in that worrying about milk is the LEAST of our countries concerns..... kids drinking milk is probably one of the best things most of them put int their bodies throughout the day in most households and schools. At least milk is natural and not over processed flash frozen sodium saturated machine made "foods" they lijke to snack on because that is all that is advertised. give a kid the choice between a glass of milk and a can of coke and i would hope that choosing the milk wouldnt be something you would frown upon.

 

[scem0]

i am going to have to go ahead and chime in that worrying about milk is the LEAST of our countries concerns..... kids drinking milk is probably one of the best things most of them put int their bodies throughout the day in most households and schools. At least milk is natural and not over processed flash frozen sodium saturated machine made "foods" they lijke to snack on because that is all that is advertised. give a kid the choice between a glass of milk and a can of coke and i would hope that choosing the milk wouldnt be something you would frown upon.

oh sure, I totally agree, especially when talking about children. But still, why choose between the lesser of two evils? There are plenty of unsweetened beverages for your children . And if your child must have something sweet give 'em orange juice. Orange juice is calcium loaded, tastes great, Vitamin C loaded, etc.

e

 

[scem0]

I don't believe you want to hear about anybody's thoughts. I'm out and out saying that you just wanted to tell ppl how crap milk is. So stop pretending you want some kind of debate, when you just want to promote a specific POV. And I agree w/ you that milk is not healthy. I just don't think you're being honest about your intentions.

Exactly, because I have so much to gain by pushing my anti-milk agenda. The world will be mine soon!

e

 

[aristobrat]

i don't know if switching to soy milk is any better since more than 1/3 of all soy in the USA is genetically manipulated

The soy milk that I've had (8th Continent and Silk) have pretty big sections on their box/jugs that explain how they don't use any genetically modified soybeans.

 

[aristobrat]

Hey, a website brought to you by PETA. I'm sure it lacks any sort of inflammatory, sensationalistic, manipulated, and/or self-serving "information."

I know, it's almost as bad as the "official" dairy information that we get from our gov't after the US dairy industry lobbyists have done their thing.