Natural?taytho said:
If the dairies can find a way to keep the hormones and antibiotics that they shoot into the cows out of the milk that the cows produce, then maybe...
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Milk and Mass Propaganda
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If the dairies can find a way to keep the hormones and antibiotics that they shoot into the cows out of the milk that the cows produce, then maybe...
scem0 said:
Oh get a grip, Dr. Evil. It was all I could do in the first post not point out how stupid your assertion about increased cancer risk is. BTW, I noticed you didn't respond to CanadaRam's refute of your ridiculous cancer argument, but you had time to be glib w/ me.
You certainly didn't have anything to say about the daily fat intake requirements of kids compared to full grown people, or the ederly. Do you even understand the importance and impact of fat intake on people at different stages of their lives? Or what about the insulating properties of whole milk vs. 2% & 1%? And why do nutrionists recommend people who live in different climates consume different amounts of milk? Do you have scientific evidence to present on the issue of the effects of bile on the nutrional components of milk during and post digestion? What about the pressure levels in the GI system?
It's all part of most studies on milk. So your "legitimate health experts" certainly put forth their findings on these subjects. Oh forget it, I can't believe I got this worked [up] over the comments of someone who thinks "googling" is research.
Well, I'll be. We have reached the point where something like milk is well on its way to Angry Place
On a side note, I like milk, ice cream, yogurt and most derivations. I'm not a huge fan of cheese, but I like it well enough. Just about the only think I like better with less milk is chocolate (big dark chocolate fan - I look forward to eventually trying 90% after I build my tolerance for 85%...I'm at 72% right now).
On a side note, I like milk, ice cream, yogurt and most derivations. I'm not a huge fan of cheese, but I like it well enough. Just about the only think I like better with less milk is chocolate (big dark chocolate fan - I look forward to eventually trying 90% after I build my tolerance for 85%...I'm at 72% right now).
eek Boggle, all I was saying is that I made this thread without any motives. I have the opinion I have because I went to a lecture a couple years ago in Austin, Texas about the subject. It concentrated on Monsanto and BGH's, but it covered it all.
I'm actually largely in agreement with you about internet sources, etc. And if you haven't noticed, I haven't linked to any sources on the internet. That is also why I did not respond to CanadaRAM. There's a million sources on the internet with a million different arguments and points of view. I could find sources to refute his sources, and we could go back and forth for an eternity - I'd rather not play that game. I simply encouraged people to google it to see that the opinion that commercial milk from the grocery store is good for you might not be true. That's all.
The intention of this thread was not to prove anyone wrong, just to raise some awareness. If I had wanted to change opinions I would have found some sources that I believe to be credible and I would have linked to those sources (which are not PETA, mind you). I'll let people do their research themselves. If people are of the opinion that drinking 6 glasses of milk a day at age 35 is good for them, and they want to do it for the rest of their lives then that is their decision. I'd just hate for someone to do that without educating themselves.
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I'm actually largely in agreement with you about internet sources, etc. And if you haven't noticed, I haven't linked to any sources on the internet. That is also why I did not respond to CanadaRAM. There's a million sources on the internet with a million different arguments and points of view. I could find sources to refute his sources, and we could go back and forth for an eternity - I'd rather not play that game. I simply encouraged people to google it to see that the opinion that commercial milk from the grocery store is good for you might not be true. That's all.
The intention of this thread was not to prove anyone wrong, just to raise some awareness. If I had wanted to change opinions I would have found some sources that I believe to be credible and I would have linked to those sources (which are not PETA, mind you). I'll let people do their research themselves. If people are of the opinion that drinking 6 glasses of milk a day at age 35 is good for them, and they want to do it for the rest of their lives then that is their decision. I'd just hate for someone to do that without educating themselves.
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Screw what any "experts" say. I like milk. My kids like milk. My wife likes soy milk. I drink it because I like the taste. What else goes so well with an Oreo anyway?
Drink whatever you like. Death is inevitable. Embrace it, baby!
Drink whatever you like. Death is inevitable. Embrace it, baby!
That's right. Take info from people w/agendas w/a grain of salt. I just find it amusing that many people vehemently question the opposition, while readily accepting info from anyone as long as it's info they want to hear.aristobrat said:I know, it's almost as bad as the "official" dairy information that we get from our gov't after the US dairy industry lobbyists have done their thing.
scem0,
If all you wanted to do was to let people know that milk might not be such a big requirement for maintaining proper health as an adult your original post completely didn't get that message across. Honey vs vinegar my friend. The "hey you stupid sheep, listen to me because I know more than you do" approach typically starts a fight, not a discussion. And posting some quality links supporting your opinion woulda been nice because, lets face it, people are lazy. Give them a link and they'll probably click. Tell them to google for info to support your opinion (which they may or may not share) that contradicts "common knowledge" and they probably won't.
Lethal
I could take milk or leave it. A little in my coffee, with a fresh hot chocolate chip cookie or cooking, but that's it. I don't dislike it, but I'm not really crazy about the taste of it.
Cheese, on the other hand, is absolutely fantastic in all of its many glorious & delicious forms!
Cheese, on the other hand, is absolutely fantastic in all of its many glorious & delicious forms!
All farm animals (and vegetables for that matter) have been genetically manipulated by cross-breeding over 1000's of years in order to produce completely unnatural food-stuffs for human benefit.
Any assertions that drinking milk isn't natural is based on a fairly distorted view of agriculture.
Ripe pears aren't 'natural'
Juicy steaks aren't 'natural'
Bread isn't 'natural'
There's virtually nothing we consume that would be recognized by our far ancestors tens of thousands of years ago.
Any assertions that drinking milk isn't natural is based on a fairly distorted view of agriculture.
Ripe pears aren't 'natural'
Juicy steaks aren't 'natural'
Bread isn't 'natural'
There's virtually nothing we consume that would be recognized by our far ancestors tens of thousands of years ago.
adk said:
I'm not sure how "respectable" a source this is, but a fully referenced report on the harm milk can cause, can be found here:
http://www.vegetarian.org.uk/whitelies/report01.html