Ming-Chi Kuo Cuts iPhone XR Lifecycle Shipment Estimates by 30 Million

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Noted analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has issued a new research note today, cutting his shipment estimates for the iPhone XR due to several factors. He believes that some of the decline will be offset by higher demand for iPhone XS and older "legacy" models, but he is still reducing his overall iPhone shipment forecasts by 15-20 percent for the first quarter of 2019.

    Kuo believes that iPhone shipments for the current quarter will be in the same 75-80 million range he previously predicted, while he has lowered his first-quarter estimate to 47-52 million from a previous range of 55-60 million.

    Kuo's prediction is somewhat curious given that he raised his early iPhone XR estimate a little less than a month ago and cited stronger demand than seen for the iPhone 8 last year with the potential for more stable demand over time.

    Apple's stock price is down over 4 percent today, outpacing broader market declines and falling to its lowest point since the end of July.

    Article Link: Ming-Chi Kuo Cuts iPhone XR Lifecycle Shipment Estimates by 30 Million
  2. Andres Cantu macrumors 68030

    Andres Cantu

    May 31, 2015
    Rio Grande Valley in South Texas
    Hey, Apple needs to purchase their stock on the cheap, right? ;)
  3. adamdport macrumors newbie

    Mar 19, 2011
    "the most breakable iphone ever". No thanks. I want my SE2.
  4. miniyou64 macrumors 6502a


    Jul 8, 2008
    The only reason Im going with this phone is because the LCD screen doesn’t blast your eyeballs out with PWM like the OLED screens. Total fail on Apple’s part to pit a screen on XS and Max that gives people headaches. Unbelievable
  5. jeffg1 macrumors newbie

    Mar 27, 2009
    Why is it whenever apple is expected to sell less items, either Tim Cook or other analysts blame either a trade war, or some other reason, but never say that the consumer is slowly waking up to see that apple's old tech isn't enough to sell as much as it used to?
  6. tkermit macrumors 68040


    Feb 20, 2004
    Uh-oh. Almost looks like the XR is going to be a repeat of the iPhone 5c. I thought people loved phablets?
  7. aakshey macrumors 68000


    Jun 13, 2016
    True that.

    Just reduce it to 5.5” and make it USD 649 and the sales will more than double.
  8. Marzel macrumors regular

    Sep 12, 2018
    Life of "analysts" appears to be very difficult. First they "predict" sales using huge ranges and then they keep updating those figures every two weeks. Kuo went from a 55-60m Q1 prediction to 47-52m (and from 100m LTD to 70m) lol.
  9. ijbond, Nov 12, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2018

    ijbond macrumors member


    Jan 17, 2006
    No wonder! The XS is too big, too heavy und much too expensive. The XR is much too big, much too heavy und too expensive. The XS is much, much too damageable, when falling down.

    I am waiting and waiting for a desirable XR-Min, which is as solid as the SE was. My SE fell down several times without any damage. Best iPhone ever. And no, I don't like cases.
  10. Breaking Good macrumors 65816

    Sep 28, 2012
    I think that is what Kuo is stating in items 2 and 3 above, just not in the same words you used.

    Item 2 is stating that some consumers don't see the value proposition of the iPhone XR and item 3 is stating that some consumers see a better value is a competitor's device.
  11. smallcoffee macrumors 68000

    Oct 15, 2014
    North America
    I think people do, which is why they bought the XS Max - iirc sales numbers were ok/good for that. The issue with this model is that it's just "the cheap version". Apple's lineup should be a $1000 iPhone XS with 128gb of storage, an iPhone SE2 with 64gb of storage, and an iPhone XS Max for $1200 with 256gb of storage (roughly speaking for all). There are a lot of people who want the XS series, a lot of people who want an SE-type phone, but there doesn't seem to be a real need for the XR.

    Sometimes I don't think Apple understands their market. Make high-quality, repairable, expensive but not overpriced stuff that makes my life better/easier and you've got me for life. Cancelling the Time Capsule/AirPort Express, not updating the Mac lineup, and jacking up the price of the iPhones isn't a long-term winning strategy.
  12. DrJohnnyN macrumors 65816


    Jan 27, 2010
  13. Breaking Good macrumors 65816

    Sep 28, 2012
    I'm hoping that they release an iPhone XR mini also that is either the same size or smaller than the iPhone 8.
  14. rorydaredking macrumors newbie

    Aug 3, 2014
    Not just an analyst, but a noted analyst. Noted for never providing any analysis or scoops of note I would suggest but MR seem to like his 'insight'
  15. 840quadra Moderator


    Staff Member

    Feb 1, 2005
    Twin Cities Minnesota
    I think it is somewhat of a comment on the smartphone market overall too. The market is essentially saturated, and people are holding onto devices longer since speed / software compatibility / and features have more or less leveled off.
  16. x34 macrumors 6502a

    Oct 19, 2014
    yes, and in some ways inferior to 7 plus and 8 plus too.
  17. max.ine macrumors regular


    Aug 16, 2016
    My hands are big, but I still have no idea how anyone could think the XR is too big. Ever since I got my iPhone 6 Plus, I’ve never been able to go back to anything smaller.

    My launch 7 Plus is starting to show signs of wear and tear and I’d consider replacing it with the 8 Plus over the XR any day, and that’s not even accounting for price. And as much as I want an XS Max, the PWM is too much for me.

    He’s right about Huawei, too. Both their notebook and smartphone lineups are excellent right now. One of the only companies who might be able to turn me away from Apple.
  18. nitschi macrumors member

    Jan 17, 2008
    Vienna, Austria

    I love my XS, it's the ideal size for me. But we've been waiting for a replacement for my wife's iPhone SE – and the XR is just too big. I know that bigger phones are a big thing (ha!) especially in the Asian markets where Apple wants to grow, but a smaller XR would be a day 1 buy for my wife. *shrug*
  19. mprime_17 macrumors newbie

    Oct 5, 2018
    "competition from Huawei's Mate 20 series"

    Yeah no... as good as the mate 20 is, its not going to sell as much to be a cause. Its like saying competition from pixel 3 or note 9 or LG G7, or 1+6t
  20. pat500000 Suspended


    Jun 3, 2015
    Next article “apple refuse to have quarterly reports from here on out.”
  21. max.ine macrumors regular


    Aug 16, 2016
    You have to keep in mind that he’s talking about sales in China, which were the driving force of his previous estimates.
  22. Mcsnee macrumors newbie


    Oct 26, 2018
    Interesting. FWIW, still loving my XR, and for the first time in a while I really want to just go into an Apple store and buy ALL of the new products they've introduced this fall.
  23. The_Interloper macrumors regular


    Oct 28, 2016
    It's simply too expensive. All Apple's phones are now. Here in the UK, wages have been stagnant for years; we simply cannot absorb these 20-25% price increases on top of the exchange rate pressure we're seeing due to Brexit.

    These aren't even affordable on contract. Carriers are now touting 3-year plans instead of 2; that's an extra year with the same phone just so you can pay the same monthly charge as before. Meanwhile, Huawei are killing it here. Their phones are gradually appearing everywhere; lots of new Nokias and Samsungs too (as the latter are frequently discounted).

    The 1080p LCD-based Huawei P20 Lite (which the XR roughly competes with) is just £229 outright. Is the XR better? Maybe. But it's not £520 better. Even going up tiers to the P20 (£399) and the flagship P20 Pro (£629) make the iPhone prices look ludicrous. I just don't see how Apple is going to sustain these prices against such decent competition.
  24. Breaking Good macrumors 65816

    Sep 28, 2012
    I think Apple understands their customers quite well. However, I also believe that the iPhone XR was never meant to be a big seller in North America or Europe. I think it was targeted at China first and maybe India second.

    These two countries have a very large percentage of poor people. But their upper and upper-middle classes in terms of actual people are incredibly huge as compared to other countries.

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