Ming-Chi Kuo: iPhone 8 - 3D facial recognition instead of TouchID!

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KeanosMagicHat

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Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has suggested that the iPhone 8 will not have Fingerprint TouchID and instead rely on advanced 3D facial recognition.

(2) OLED iPhone will adopt full-screen design, with the highest screen-to-body ratio of any smartphone currently available worldwide (thanks to a notch display design); the OLED model will also come with a virtual Home button, though the button will not support fingerprint recognition. "We predict the OLED model won’t support fingerprint recognition, reasons being: (1) the full-screen design doesn’t work with existing capacitive fingerprint recognition, and (2) the scan-through ability of the under-display fingerprint solution still has technical challenges, including: (i) requirement for a more complex panel pixel design; (ii) disappointing scan-through of OLED panel despite it being thinner than LCD panel; and (iii) weakened scan-through performance due to overlayered panel module. As the new OLED iPhone won’t support under-display fingerprint recognition, we now do not expect production ramp-up will be delayed again (we previously projected the ramp-up would be postponed to late October or later)."

(3) OLED iPhone will support 3D sensing for facial recognition & improved selfie quality.
This is disappointing, if it proves to be true.

From a security perspective, it does make me question my purchase slightly, especially when you consider that the 8S model will likely feature under screen fingerprint recognition once the technology has been fully mastered for large scale release.

The reason the analyst predicts this is because Apple do not want to delay the launch (and as such, would be prioritising revenue over the user experience).

Whilst this would not surprise me in the modern corporate world, I really hope he's wrong on this occasion and that Apple will delay long enough to enable under screen fingerprint technology to be included in the iPhone 8.


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If apple are going to have any delay in the iPhone 8 it would be due to yield issues at this point. They will have known exactly what is going into the next phone for a good few months now. You wouldn't be even considering launching a new iPhone in 2.5 months if you were still trying to use an unstable technology.

I really dislike rear fingerprint readers and I would probably just change my 6+ for a 7+ if they don't embed the finger print reader in the display.
 

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I much prefer the finger id on the front of the phone, i have the s8 also and having to take sun glasses off to unlock the phone is a pain ...have not tried the facial unlock yet
 
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Facial unlock is a crappy gimmick that isn't up to scratch for a lot of users. I want to use my phone without having to pick the thing up. I don't want to have to take sunglasses off or make sure the area is well lit to use facial recognition. I don't want to pick my phone up to use a rear fingerprint reader. There is a really good reason why apple put it on the front... because thats the only place it actually makes sense.

If they do this I would skip the iPhone 8 until they can put it under the display.
 

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If apple are going to have any delay in the iPhone 8 it would be due to yield issues at this point. They will have known exactly what is going into the next phone for a good few months now. You wouldn't be even considering launching a new iPhone in 2.5 months if you were still trying to use an unstable technology . . .
Under normal circumstances, I would completely agree with you, but the rumours have been strong across many outlets that Apple have taken much longer to decide upon the final design for the next iPhone than they have previously.

I have a strong suspicion, that the attempts to secure under screen fingerprint recognition is the reason for this delay.

With all the media kerfuffle around it being the 10th anniversary of the iPhone this year, they're going to want this phone to be special.
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Facial unlock is a crappy gimmick that isn't up to scratch for a lot of users . . .
The extra front facing sensors/camera on the iPhone 8 are predicted to allow for more advanced 3D facial recognition.

This doesn't merely rely on a flat image of a face for recognition purposes (which can sometimes be spoofed by using a photo) but rather analyses the depth of the face to pick up things like cheekbones, size of nose, chin shape, forehead slope etc.

So at least it's a step in the right direction from a facial recognition point of view.

I still have some concerns though that is not as secure as the fingerprint method, which if this report is true, I guess would be one of the "big" launch features of the 8S.
 
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