Ming-Chi Kuo Says 2018 iPhones Unlikely to Have Rear-Facing TrueDepth Camera System

[MacRumors]

Apple is unlikely to expand its front-facing TrueDepth system for Face ID and Animoji to the rear-facing camera module on iPhones released in 2018, according to oft-reliable Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.

In a research note with KGI Securities, obtained by MacRumors, Kuo said the iPhone X's 3D sensing capabilities are already at least one year ahead of Android smartphones. For that reason, he thinks Apple's focus with next year's iPhone models will be ensuring an on-time launch with adequate supply.

Based on aforementioned assumptions, we do not expect 2H18F iPhones to come with rear TrueDepth Camera/3D sensing, contrary to market expectations. While we agree that a rear TrueDepth Camera/3D sensing can potentially provide more augmented reality (AR) applications, we note that Apple needs to quickly resolve two issues if it wants 2H18F iPhones to have a rear TrueDepth Camera/3D sensing, namely: (1) the development of AI and ARKit software and an ecosystem, which takes time; and (2) achieving stable shipments and on-time shipping, which are challenging due to the higher spec requirements of rear TrueDepth camera.

Even without rear TrueDepth, Kuo believes 2018 iPhone models will unsurprisingly come with other tech spec upgrades to attract consumers. He has a positive view on the prospects of the new iPhone models.

Article Link: Ming-Chi Kuo Says 2018 iPhones Unlikely to Have Rear-Facing TrueDepth Camera System

 

[pat500000]

It would definitely be nice...

 

[scrapesleon]

so these one will be at a lower price sticking to my X then

 

[outskirtsofinfinity]

One more mention of this Ming-Chi Kuo, and I will stop visiting MacRumours... sigh.

 

[Marshall73]

Rear truedepth would only be useful if the range was FAR greater, as in, scanning rooms greater.

 

[44267547]

One more mention of this Ming-Chi Kuo, and I will stop visiting MacRumours... sigh.

Ming Kuo is a regular here on Macrumors. At least his predictions are some of most accurate. (I did mention his name one more time inadvertently).

 

[HacKage]

Can we please have a separate section for things Ming-Chi Kuo says, and make it opt-in?

 

[nikicampos]

Ming Kuo is a regular here on Macrumors. At least his predictions are some of most accurate.

Well, like someone said in this forum, couldn't find the post, Kuo bets on the home team, away team and draw, then he says he has the winning ticket, yeah, you will be right at one point.

 

[0003939]

One more mention of this Ming-Chi Kuo, and I will stop visiting MacRumours... sigh.

I just mentioned Ming-Chi Kuo. What're going to do now?

 

[viachicago22]

Ming-chi needs to just calm down

 

[dojoman]

One more mention of this Ming-Chi Kuo, and I will stop visiting MacRumours... sigh.

This guy is like spam email that everyone reads.

 

[Fozziebear71]

"achieving stable shipments and on-time shipping"

Now that's funny.

 

[iapplelove]

One more mention of this Ming-Chi Kuo, and I will stop visiting MacRumours... sigh.

Well it is a rumors site, right?

 

[desmond2046]

One more mention of this Ming-Chi Kuo, and I will stop visiting MacRumours... sigh.

Just want to remind you Ming-Chi Kuo predicted accurately the iPhone X in March 2016
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/03/26/kuo-iphone-2017-oled-curved-glass/
He also predicted iPad Pro 10.5 in August 2016
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/08/15/kuo-10-5-ipad-pro-2017/
Not to mention the touch bar Macbook Pro
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/05/23/macbook-pro-2016-oled-display-touch-bar/

Just want to give him the credit he deserves. If you think this is not reliable I don't know what source of rumor would you trust.

 

[Blackstick]

The hardware choices for Fall 2018 were finalized last Spring at the latest, so what will be will be... right now they're choosing components for 2019 and into 2020. That's just business when you're making 100,000,000 of anything...

 

[Kabeyun]

the iPhone X's 3D sensing capabilities are already at least one year ahead of Android smartphones

A month ago he said it was at least two years. I smell some copying going on. Or maybe just shotgun guessing. Gotta be right somehow...

 

[Xavier]

One more mention of this Ming-Chi Kuo, and I will stop visiting MacRumours... sigh.

You mean a guy that speculates on Apple products, and has even been correct sometimes, will stop you from visiting a Apple based rumor site? Lol

 

[imran5720]

One more mention of this Ming-Chi Kuo, and I will stop visiting MacRumours... sigh.

why the phobia?

 

[AppleWarMachine]

"Kuo believes 2018 iPhone models will unsurprisingly come with other tech spec upgrades to attract consumers"

...expanded Animoji characters

and available in Rose Gold

 

[1Zach1]

Just want to remind you Ming-Chi Kuo predicted accurately the iPhone X in March 2016
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/03/26/kuo-iphone-2017-oled-curved-glass/
He also predicted iPad Pro 10.5 in August 2016
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/08/15/kuo-10-5-ipad-pro-2017/
Not to mention the touch bar Macbook Pro
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/05/23/macbook-pro-2016-oled-display-touch-bar/

Just want to give him the credit he deserves. If you think this is not reliable I don't know what source of rumor would you trust.

Also not so accurate. He might be the best (I don't know), but lets not go crazy and call him accurate

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/02/15/2017-iphone-edge-to-edge-display-virtual-buttons/
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/08/08/all-2017-iphones-3-colors-september-launch/
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/01/21/apple-touch-id-facial-recognition-iphone-8/

 

[mozumder]

The front cameras need to be upgraded, including bigger lenses and OIS, since they're probably used more than the rear cameras.

 

[thisisnotmyname]

One more mention of this Ming-Chi Kuo, and I will stop visiting MacRumours... sigh.

God forbid we reference knowledgeable analysists with a proven track record. Let’s only post about what your best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with a girl said.

 

[michael31986]

I love the “new tech will be there on iPhone”.

Well thanks for obvious. Every iPhone release has had something new. Even if it’s small. They always add something.

 

[EvilEvil]

Don't worry guys Apple will put it in the following year and call it an innovation.

 

[outskirtsofinfinity]

Well it is a rumors site, right?

My point is that MacRumours is naive in letting itself be used by Ming-Chi Kuo in order to further his own agenda. He's running a business. When Ming-Chi Kuo sneezes, investors shuffle a lot of money around. MacRumours facilitate this. Is MacRumours getting kickbacks from Ming-Chi Kuo's company?