Mini iPods, iLife Updates, No New CPUs at MacWorld Expo?

[SeaFox]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
I feel your pain but Apple has to pull its head out of its corporate a..! as long as G4 is forced on us sales will suck. dump the ballast Steve.

That's the same thing people said about the G3's after the G4's came out and all the popular audio/visual apps grabbed big performance boosts with AltiVec. It seems some people will never be satisfied as long as the consumer machine are not running the latest and greatest chips the pro towers are.

 

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by SeaFox
That's the same thing people said about the G3's after the G4's came out and all the popular audio/visual apps grabbed big performance boosts with AltiVec. It seems some people will never be satisfied as long as the consumer machine are not running the latest and greatest chips the pro towers are.

Yah, that's pretty much the same conclusion I've reached after reading some of these posts - some people aren't happy unless they have something to complain about, and can't comprehend the big picture at times. I responded in detail to these types of comments in my reply to Don't Hurt Me's earlier post, but he never responded back, so perhaps I actually gave him something to think about! 😉

 

[narco]

Originally posted by zim
Seems to me that if apple was going to release smaller colorful iPods, then it would have been smarter to have marketed them for the holidays, oh well.

Look at how much iPods are selling now, regardless of the price. When all the new iPod owners show off their iPod, the new mini iPods will (possibly) be out. If the mini iPods were released before Christmas, everyone would be getting those instead of the more expensive one.

 

[SeaFox]

Originally posted by ~Shard~
Yah, that's pretty much the same conclusion I've reached after reading some of these posts - some people aren't happy unless they have something to complain about, and can't comprehend the big picture at times. I responded in detail to these types of comments in my reply to Don't Hurt Me's earlier post, but he never responded back, so perhaps I actually gave him something to think about! 😉

I really don't see anything bad about the G4 chip. Now the G3's really were at a disadvantage compared to the G4 with all the most popular software Altivec enhanced. But Macworld's review of the last of the G3 iBooks (800/900 mhz) found they were fairly snappy for being G3 machines simply because the processor speed and graphics chips had imroved so much since the first iceBook came out.

With both the Powerbooks and Consumer iBooks still sporting G4 chips, there is little reason to poo-poo the G4 processor. It used to be the rule desktop systems were to be more powerful than laptop systems anyway, mostly because of power and temprature being less of a problem. Perhaps we've been a little spoiled by how the platforms have evened out over the years.

 

[trutherd]

Re: CES show in Las Vegas Jan 8-9th

Keynote on the 8th in NE? What is NE.. Nebraska, New England, ? Really confused.. Is it confirmed he's giving another keynote on the 8th? Where is it?

Originally posted by ITR 81
Apple has set up a very large booth there which is approx. the same size as MS.

SJ is either telling everyone no PM upgrades for the Expo to cause mis-direction or has planned to release it to the CES community where it has released some big and small surprises.

SJ does a Keynote on the 6th in CA.
SJ then does a Keynote on the 8th in NE.

"And just one more thing.." line will end up being a whole lot more of something.

I believe SJ wants to wow the crowd at CES which is mostly PC oriented.
MS is said to be releasing something big there as well so it would seem plausible for SJ to release something that would be a buzz kill for MS and knock billy boy of his high horse.

 

[Travis Novak]

I'm not sure about this color and stipe idea. Unless they realese some other style update I don't they would do that. Everything for some time now has been silver and white. They wouldn't screw up their entire syncronization just to make a splash with a very limited audience. Form, function, and price will sell better than any new hip look.

 

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by SeaFox
I really don't see anything bad about the G4 chip. Now the G3's really were at a disadvantage compared to the G4 with all the most popular software Altivec enhanced. But Macworld's review of the last of the G3 iBooks (800/900 mhz) found they were fairly snappy for being G3 machines simply because the processor speed and graphics chips had imroved so much since the first iceBook came out.

With both the Powerbooks and Consumer iBooks still sporting G4 chips, there is little reason to poo-poo the G4 processor. It used to be the rule desktop systems were to be more powerful than laptop systems anyway, mostly because of power and temprature being less of a problem. Perhaps we've been a little spoiled by how the platforms have evened out over the years.

Completely agree with you, SeaFox. I honestly can't wait to see a G5 in the iMac, however I don't see the need for all this excessive G4 bashing. My co-worker has a PowerBook with a G4 for instance, 450 MHz, and with Panther, it still does everything he needs it to, and it's not even sluggish! I'm not saying the iMacs don't need an upgrade and a fresh new look - they are due - but all in good time, i.e. a few more months. The G4 has been stuck speed-wise for a long time, yes, the G4 has been around a while and become old technology, yes, and the G4 gets its butt kicked by the G5, yes, but let's not bash the G4 because of this, as it is still a decent chip. Perhaps these G4 bashers go to PC forums too, and bash Celerons in their spare time as well. 😉

 

[Dont Hurt Me]

I guess we got a lot of newbies to the mac world here, if you have been a long time mac user as myself then you clearly realize that Motorola never advanced much. 1+ year at 500mhz, so apple had to come up with dual cpu's since its all they had and the pro line was taking a whipping, now we have another year at about 1 gig. did you not know apple was using 2 G4s 1.42s a year ago? whats the fastest G4 we have now a year Later?1.33?? you guys are saying you are just happy as can be to keep going on and on with no progress? either you are young, naive or hate progress. G4 was spanked by all other cpu makers a long time ago. read some benches or go do something like play UT2003 or Halo and perhaps you will find out how slow that G4 you love so much is. Apple has the best software but why is it they have less then 5% market????ill tell you why they are still trying to cram slow G4's down our throat. I would think most buyers spending close to 2 grand( imac) want a little more then a 1.25 g4. spin it all you want, even spit out the megahertz myth if you want but the truth is G4 is way way behind. sure its all you need for internet or viewing that next box of cereal but this is about selling computers and slow computers dont sell, though apple has done everything under the sun to make those slow G4's attractive such as super cool styling. Just as many waited for G4 to get the boot out of powermac there are many like me waiting for the G4 to get the boot out of imac.

 

[question fear]

wait...i know what the ipod change will be....
G5 IPOD
WORLDS FASTEST MP3 PLAYER


;-)

 

[~Shard~]

I'll edit out 95% of your post, since it is all common knowledge
and doesn't really add anything of value to our discussion here. Plus, it seems like you're overreacting to some posts that, well, I've never seen before (not saying I've read every post of course!) . For example, you remark, "you guys are saying you are just happy as can be to keep going on and on with no progress? either you are young, naive or hate progress." I have never read one post on this forum where someone has said they don't want progress and hate it. Please quote a post with that exact sentiment and please prove me wrong and I will gladly accept it, in all seriousness. Otherwise, it seems as though you are angered at some sort of "phantom posts" or points of view that do not exist! 😉

Anyway, as for the remaining 5% of your post:

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
Just as many waited for G4 to get the boot out of powermac there are many like me waiting for the G4 to get the boot out of imac.

Yep, and I'm one of them - I can't wait to see the G5 in the iMac, as Motorola has been horrible to deal with these past couple of years. The upcoming "IBM years" will definitely be a much better time. But, all in good time - Apple can only work on so many new hardware and software projects at once, so it's just a matter of time. And the iMac's time will come in a few short months. 😎

 

[SeaFox]

Originally posted by ~Shard~
I'll edit out 95% of your post, since it is all common knowledge
and doesn't really add anything of value to our discussion here. Plus, it seems like you're overreacting to some posts that, well, I've never seen before (not saying I've read every post of course!) . For example, you remark, "you guys are saying you are just happy as can be to keep going on and on with no progress? either you are young, naive or hate progress." I have never read one post on this forum where someone has said they don't want progress and hate it.

We'd just like the machines to be affordable when they have the high speed chips. One reason Appls continues to thrive compared to other PC makers is because of it's large margins. One thing Don't Hurt Me doesn't seem to get is many PC manufacturers lose money on their ultra cheap models. Apple actually makes money on every computer they sell. If Apple sold their machines at the prices PC makers do, buying a Mac would have a very low return of investment because they would have gone the way of Amiga and users would be abandoned by developers much like BeOS users were.

But I really like the first sentence. 😀

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
I guess we got a lot of newbies to the mac world here, if you have been a long time mac user as myself then you clearly realize that Motorola never advanced much.

What a wonderful assumption! We are newbies in the Mac world because we don't hate Motorola's guts. The obsession with performance is certainly characteristic of the PC world, maybe it's Don't Hurt Me who's the newbie here. I like performance as much as the next person, but it isn't the sole measure of my computing experience. If there is one mark that Mac users should wear with pride (and that proves my point) it is that Mac users have been shown to be more productive than PC users despite them having the performance advantage in hardware.

My first Mac was a IIsi. And I used Photoshop on it! Talk to anyone in the PC world and they would not believe using a 20mhz computer for graphics.

Yes, I think it sucks the G4 got stuck for so long performance-wise. But that doesn't mean I am going to discount the entire family for a growth stunt by their maker.

The average home user does not need the same hardware the professiona; uses. It may be handy to have the extra speed, FW800, ect. But when so many of your users will sell their machine before they think of adding PCI cards, is there reason to put in three slots? And if they just surf the net and word process, do they need Dual 2.0 Ghz G5's?

 

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by SeaFox
One reason Appls continues to thrive compared to other PC makers is because of it's large margins. One thing Don't Hurt Me doesn't seem to get is many PC manufacturers lose money on their ultra cheap models. Apple actually makes money on every computer they sell. If Apple sold their machines at the prices PC makers do, buying a Mac would have a very low return of investment because they would have gone the way of Amiga and users would be abandoned by developers much like BeOS users were.

Well put SeaFox - some people don't realize that Apple and Dell are the only 2 computer companies that actually make money - Jobs said it himself. And if I remember correctly, Jobs also mentioned that Dell is essentially the WalMart of computers. So where would you like to buy your computer from? 😉

Originally posted by SeaFox
What a wonderful assumption! We are newbies in the Mac world because we don't hate Motorola's guts. The obsession with performance is certainly characteristic of the PC world, maybe it's Don't Hurt Me who's the newbie here.

Couldn't have put it better myself. Glad to see I'm not the only logical one here. 😎

 

[chanoc]

Mini ipods!!!

I know 4 people at my work who said they would be buying a mini ipod if they come about this MacWorld. The idea of a lowend ipod at 2GB would be great!

 

[potterfast]

Confirmed!!

I just got a case for my iPod and it stated on the case that it fits the New 3 GB iPods!

I'll post pictures of the case soon.

 

[Sir_Giggles]

the wait is killing me

Am I the only one to feel time has slowed down since they announced MWSF? I find myself compulsively counting down the hours until I can watch the live QT stream.

The wait is too painful, I need my Apple fix right now!🙁

😀 😀 😀

 

[Duff-Man]

Re: Confirmed!!

Originally posted by potterfast
I just got a case for my iPod and it stated on the case that it fits the New 3 GB iPods!

Duff-Man says.....it probably says "3G" which refers to the "3rd generation" iPod - the current ones. Nothing to do with 3GB......oh yeah!

 

[~Shard~]

Re: Confirmed!!

Originally posted by potterfast
I just got a case for my iPod and it stated on the case that it fits the New 3 GB iPods!

I'll post pictures of the case soon.

Um, does the case say "3GB" iPod or "3G" iPod, as in the 3rd generation of iPod, i.e. the current iPods?

Might want to check that, blush a little bit in emabarassment, then re-post to confirm. 😎

 

[Sir_Giggles]

I think he was just pulling your leg about the 3GB iPod being confirmed.

I hardly believe its possible the case will fit what would amount to a smaller form factor for the new iPod-Mini or the upcoming iPod/AV.

 

[Mac Dummy]

Re: Re: Re: Stockholders. Get ready to short AAPL

Originally posted by suzerain
Hmmm...at the last Macworld Expo SF, they launched two groundbreaking new models of PowerBook that were completely unexpected. I think that was kind of a big product launch.

And...you know...the Macworld Expo SF before that (2002) they released the flat panel iMac. Also, kind of a 'big' product launch.

The year before that (2001), Apple introduced the Titanium PowerBook and speed-bumped G4 towers, which was also a really big product launch.

So, I don't understand where in the world people get the idea Apple doesn't launch products at Macworld SF. It seems like it is the opposite: Apple always announces new hardware at Macworld SF.

Still, it's possible this year could be the exception.

Someone else commented that this was sounding very much like last year, where everyone expected eMac/iMac updates, and they didn't come.

So the question becomes: what will be the major surprise hardware announcement? An XServe G5? I think that's expected, and wouldn't surprise anyone...so going by recent history, there will be something else.

I heard somewhere, maybe it was on this forum that the G5 Powermacs would reach speeds up to a dual 2.5Ghz. If Apple does this the price of the dual 2.0 and 1.8 Ghz will drop. Hopefully they will dump the single processor 1.6Ghz from the lineup, due to the fact that it is inferior to the duals.

 

[potterfast]

Pulling Leg?

Originally posted by Sir_Giggles
I think he was just pulling your leg about the 3GB iPod being confirmed.

I hardly believe its possible the case will fit what would amount to a smaller form factor for the new iPod-Mini or the upcoming iPod/AV.

My bad...

I think I may have seen 3G and got all flustered...

"FITS ALL NEW 3G IPODS"

Sorry about that.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
did you not know apple was using 2 G4s 1.42s a year ago? whats the fastest G4 we have now a year Later?1.33?? you guys are saying you are just happy as can be to keep going on and on with no progress? either you are young, naive or hate progress. G4 was spanked by all other cpu makers a long time ago. read some benches or go do something like play UT2003 or Halo and perhaps you will find out how slow that G4 you love so much is. Apple has the best software but why is it they have less then 5% market????ill tell you why they are still trying to cram slow G4's down our throat. I would think most buyers spending close to 2 grand( imac) want a little more then a 1.25 g4. spin it all you want, even spit out the megahertz myth if you want but the truth is G4 is way way behind. sure its all you need for internet or viewing that next box of cereal but this is about selling computers and slow computers dont sell, though apple has done everything under the sun to make those slow G4's attractive such as super cool styling. Just as many waited for G4 to get the boot out of powermac there are many like me waiting for the G4 to get the boot out of imac.

Hi,

I have to agree in principal that the iMac is not up to date and we need to get the G5 into the iMac very soon at speeds above 2GHz. Recent GPU is also required.

I cannot agree to your statement that we are in principal at the same speeds than a year ago, because the dual G4s have been used in the PowerMacs that are today at dual 2GHz. Yes the fastest G4 is now 1.33GHz, but thats not the top of the line as a year ago. We are at dual 2GHz G5s. Thats where we are. If you cannot afford them - your problem.

But again, I agree - the iMac has to move soon to G5.

Cheers

 

[NeatGekko]

HERES WHATS COMING

MINI IPOD FACTS:

They are going to be HD based but loaded with RAM so it won't skip.

They will ship with multiple colors.

Small...comes with an armband for runners.

NOT $100!!! Are you kidding me! isights aren't even that cheap! This is Apple we are talking about! Its gunna be good. Look for the price to drop around $250.

And now for the size: NO 2BG (weak) Apple will show off a nice 4.5 GB in multiple colors. 2 models in muli color is a nightmare. They will have the one size only.

G5 Speeds:

YUP! You guessed it...3GHZ!!!

I know this...its a fact, just accept it.

 

[Pirate_Will]

Re: Heres what's coming

NeatGekko you are posting all over the place on macrumors and you dont seem to ever want to justify yourself.
So i will ask, how do you know this stuff?

Just give me some logical argument to back up your statements and i would certainly leave you alone.
I think its nonsense myself, what would mac have to gain by introducing an mp3 player with a price and spec only just lower than the current models? That would just take sales from the current ipod. You dismiss a 2GB because it is so small, but some of the best selling players (which apple currently doesnt have anything to compete with) are small capacity solid state players.
Look at pretty much every other mp3 player brand, they usually have a HDD based player and a solid state one (phillips, creative, iriver, rio).
Apple could release a generic flash player with a pretty shell and everyone would buy one because they have built an excellent reputation with the ipod, so why wouldnt they build their own and release it?

Sorry for the rant, but its getting irritating seeing your psychic predictions with no substance 😛

 

[~Shard~]

I agree. To be making the bold claims that you are posting here, I think it's reasonable to ask for some sort of substance to back up your claims. "I just know" or "there was a leak" or "I can't tell you right now" simply does not cut it.

If you went on these threads and said, "I THINK this is what MIGHT happen", then that would be different, but since you're claiming what you're saying is gospel and 100% absolute fact, I think it is reasonable to ask for more information before anyone takes you seriously.

Please back up your claims, provide us with some more substantial information and the members of this forum might take you a little more seriously. If you do not provide more information, avoid these questions by saying, "That's all I can say for now", or simply ignore this post, I can gaurantee you that most members will see that as a sure sign that you are indeed not as informed as you claim to be, and your credibility will be next to zero.

 

[spook]

I for one, support what Don't Hurt me is saying

How can you take pride in buying products that contain hardware that is half the speed of what i in the PC world at TWICE the cost?

A few comments about the G4 being good enough, maybe it is, but that if you was in the market for buying a computer would you buy a lesser spec machine for more money, it doesnt make sense unless you a either a Mac fanatic or need a Mac for a specific reason.

mmmm, Macs are one of the few machines that make profits? unless you are a shareholder then why is that such good news, if you want to applaud their increasing balance sheet rather then have a good price performance then just send them some cash, ye I'd like to see them make masses of profit, just don't like to be forking out for a iBook for the same amount of money that I could buy a Widescreen, 64mb Graphics Card, top of the range processor and DVD burner PC laptop

The G5 is where the consumer machines should be and the Pro should be a G6, consumers (normally) want to be getting a good deal and value for money, like I said I was after a iBook, but failed to get one now I am going to wait a few more month not for cost reasons but I don't like paying full whack for yesterdays technology, a reason Macs were doing poorer and poorer everywhere, they need to continue with recent progress and build and build quickly to stop the joke they where becoming