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Mini iPods, iLife Updates, No New CPUs at MacWorld Expo?

Re: Stockholders. Get ready to short AAPL

AAPL always drops after their big events. There's probably not much logic to it, but it always happens. But not more than to please the day traders.

Andreas
 
Originally posted by iAdam
I would love the annoucment of mini/cheaper iPods, but i'm just afraid of the them looking cheesey with colors and stripes. I think the cell phones with switchable faceplats look cheep.
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No, switchable faceplates are great! You can change the color as your prefrence changes. Well done faceplate systems look pretty good. Just check out some of Nokia's business market mobile phones.

The real benefit is replaceability. Cosmetic case scratches is one thing that has a big effect on the resale value of electronics. Nobody wants an iPod with a screen that's super scratched up. People take their beautiful T610's and stick them in tacky cases to protect them.

If the case gets sraped or stained and you don't have face plates, you can either send it to the factory for replacement for $100-200 or do it yourself for $30-50 and void your warranty. But if you have faceplates you can just buy a new one for $20-40.
 
If this keynote presentation is to be music centric i expect some big news on the pro audio front as well. Jobs recently pointed out the path music takes from creation to market and how so much of it centers around apples products (not to mention film/print media). I get so many sneers from friends and family for using Apple products but they are dumbfounded when i start listing the large # of mac users who are famous musicians. People respect that for some reason. Vicarious living. Star****ers. Armchair quarterbacks. What ever you wanna call it. Suddenly it becomes ok that i have a mac as i watch the person start revaluating immediately that "one button mouse" or "no software" statement because now they know radiohead/coldplay/moby and others might use one. Its all about the associations! I look at it this way. Guitars are cool, if you have a guitar someone somewhere is going to think your cool. Some girl is going to sit crosslegged on a floor all dreamy eyed and ask you to play it. You might not know a single not but she associates you with that guitar and if you only play twinkle twinkle star youre probably gonna get some action. In modern times with all the music production that is done on a mac and the increasing number of home based studios having a mac is the equivalent of a les paul custom. So while they are telling us how great iPods/iTMS are (MTV rap videos/Celebrity endorsements(u2, sara mc)/Time Magazine) why not remind us that the people who are making the music are using macs at the top end too. If "apple" can become synonymous with "rock star" then the future is a golden path.



As far as eMagic announcements i hope for integrated Logic hardware. I've heard rumors that with the core audio apple has built in Logic hardware support. Pro Tools is beating Logic for now because they have gobs of scalable hardware that can take some of the load of the computer. Apple is releasing faster machines (g5s) that can do more of the same hardware tasks natively that the protools hardware is doing but still would benefit by having their own line of scalable mixers, input devices, or effects processing among other things via firewire . If apple could make my music production process even more intuitive then it already is, this would be it. Fingers are crossed.

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"We are not meant to be cogs in a system"
-Howard Dean
 
It's not iPodworld Expo!

I sure hope Steve has some exciting G5 desktop news for me. I'll be in attendance and I want him to personally sell me a Rev 2 G5. I've been waiting patiently as the first batch got out the door -- waiting for the right moment!

The iPod news I want to hear is the new video iPod. All it needs is a color screen and you're there. You already have the highspeed FW connection, the user interface, enough storage for video, and a microprocessor to run the whole shebang!
 
Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
ipod is cute but lets get real, the consumer line looks great but performs like crap. thats the bottom line .... i said it.....apple does not compete with apple and we all know it. why not build a imac that can be all it can be - G5 high end, top video card and monitor choice rather then the constant crippling by Apple so it dont compete with the other products they make such as powermac and powerbook. I guess they have forgotten which line saved their bean counter ran corporate butt.(before steve).
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That would be the Power Mac. If it weren't for those $4000+ 8x00s and 9x00s...

Really, I think the best the consumer line has ever been, relative to the rest of the line, would be when the G3 and G4 iMacs were first introduced, and maybe when the iBook first came out. Other than that, throughout Apple's history there have not been many consumer lines that have even approached the pro lines the way you want them to. Maybe the IIci was considered a consumer product, long ago? Or something like the PowerBook 150? Both of those were introduced when I was in kindergarten (roughly), so I really wouldn't know. 🙂

WM
 
Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
ipod is cute but lets get real, the consumer line looks great but performs like crap. thats the bottom line .... i said it.....apple does not compete with apple and we all know it. why not build a imac that can be all it can be - G5 high end, top video card and monitor choice rather then the constant crippling by Apple so it dont compete with the other products they make such as powermac and powerbook. I guess they have forgotten which line saved their bean counter ran corporate butt.(before steve). Make imac all it can be and you wont be able to make enough.🙂
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You want to buy an iMac that is top of the line, G5, top-end video card, monitor choice, etc.? Go ahead and buy one right now - it's called the PowerMac. And be prepared to absorb the resulting costs as well for a top-end system. However, there are those poeple out there who can't afford $3000 for a PM + $500 for a flat panel monitor + tax and don't need a top-of-the-line machine to check their e-mail, surf the Net and play iTunes. For those people, there is the consumer line, and the iMac. It's called product differentiation, and involves making products that cover a range of price points, and types of consumers. I'm not going to start a lecture on economics and marketing here though, so I'll just stop. 😎
 
Re: Re: CES show in Las Vegas Jan 8-9th

Originally posted by jettredmont
Damn. Steve's flying to Nebraska for a keynote? Cue rumors of a new corn-farming iApp ...

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But of course:
iCorn - Husks corn with the greatest of ease, just like you'd expect from Apple. The cornhusker for the rest of us. Heh.

Or:
iMuck
Mucks out stalls, relieving your nostrils and saving you time so that you can do what you've always wanted....husk some corn.

Sorry farm folk, just having a bit of fun. Go ahead and level your barrels at the urbanist northerner. You may fire when ready.

BACK on Topic.
Yay. iPods! (Crankyankers!)

That would be great if they spoofed SJ and BG cranking each other. Pay attention! There's good ideas here!!!! 🙄
 
Oh man light emitting plastic! I love it! I'd get one just for the novelty. I'm curious. Do you think the cheap ipod would be rechargeable or run on AA batteries like a walkman? No one has discussed this to my knowledge.
 
Apple has practically half the portable music community on it's side, with hadcore listners to fans with lots of cash snapping up one of the current 3 iPods. But if they released a $100 (£60) model that was durable, compact and held 2 or 3 CDs at least, you would have the casual listners and practically every teenager on the planet with a crappy old CD player buying it.
 
eMagic???

Sorry everyone, it's Emagic, not eMagic....

i've seen this mistake more than once, but Emagic is the correct company name.
 
Re: I'm guessing this is the approximate size and shape of the new iPod

Originally posted by machinehien
http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/011384.php
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Interesting.

My guess (thinking that it will be a flash based player) would be something like the current iPod but much thinner (about 25%) since they would not need the hard drive.

The iPod's size allows plenty of room to use surface mount flash memory.

With FM prices falling, I still think that is an option they may be looking at.

From a Japanese perspective, even the current 10/20GB models are too thick to wear with a suit. In Japan, where most folks commute by train everyday, thickness becomes an issue (as well as overall size).

BTW, as of two weeks ago iPods were not selling as well as expected here in Tokyo at the Apple store.

While I have and love my original 10GB iPod, tonight I used my flash memory player, a RIO SU30.

http://www.rioaudio.jp/products/riosu30.html

It is the size of a pack of stick gum, and weights a mere fraction of what an iPod weighs. It is so light, that I don't even notice it in my shirt pocket. Space wise, with my Sony earbuds, both take less space than my keys!

Very very convenient! 😀

Sushi
 
Originally posted by ~Shard~
You want to buy an iMac that is top of the line, G5, top-end video card, monitor choice, etc.? Go ahead and buy one right now - it's called the PowerMac. And be prepared to absorb the resulting costs as well for a top-end system. However, there are those poeple out there who can't afford $3000 for a PM + $500 for a flat panel monitor + tax and don't need a top-of-the-line machine to check their e-mail, surf the Net and play iTunes. For those people, there is the consumer line, and the iMac. It's called product differentiation, and involves making products that cover a range of price points, and types of consumers. I'm not going to start a lecture on economics and marketing here though, so I'll just stop. 😎
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Thanks for stopping, G4's suck and thats why G5's are in Powermac. How long will Apple force the agonizing slow G4 on us ( consumers )? well as long as the slow g4 sits in those imacs sales will continue to get smaller,smaller except for the fools that buy one. Lets see a cpu 1.25 thats less then half of a dual 1.42 they sold in powermacs a year ago?a bus speed of 167? 1/3 of what those cheap Pcs have, it also has the slowest videochip on the market fx5200(garbage but cheap for apple)not upgradeable, your stuck with the monitor thats stuck to a G4. Lets see now why are sales sucking? Blame the market, blame George Bush, Blame those fast Pcs? come on just get rid of motorola's G4 instead of constant crippling of imac so it dont compete with powermac or anything else for that matter. This is Apples problem, instead of building a great imac they give us more g4. it went from 1.0 to 1.25 this year! and were supposed to be happy with that?they even held back emac because it was beating imac. The G4 was getting whipped 1 year ago and they were using 2. now we get one thats even slower? Motorola is still kicking Apples corporate butt years later. I know there are mac heads here that even if apple used 1.25 g4's for the next year they would be shouting that they dont need the speed, how great apple is and blah blah blah.
 
Don't hurt me (incidentally, why not? You clearly deserve it):-

Ha! Good Lord, you're even more boring when I've got to read your sad git whining from a crap PC connection on glacially-slow telephone modem in Moscow. I'd've hardly thought it possible....

Still, I can't help myself. Amazing amount of work I've done this year on a (by your standards) crap G4 500 (yet!).

Work is the metric here ("No nye pa twoyemu," as they say here), like it is when I'm back at base in Florida.

What are you doing on a non-pro PC rig that you can't manage on an iMac ?
 
People dont buy computers because they are slow, in fact most people buy new ones that are faster but if apple continues with moto it will never be much faster therefore where is the incentive to buy a new machine if its had virtually no progress? This is motorola's legacy they have given to apples consumer machines. If not for the G5 coming on line what would apple do? try to sell us on the idea of 4 moto cpu's in a single computer? Just admit it moto's G4 is and has been stuck for years. Even the new over 2 thousand dollar 20" imac is still using a 1.25 G4???? Consumers are not all idiots and would say the Apple consumer is brighter then most. sooner or later this monkey( G4 ) has got to go.
 
From what I've heard, this is nearly a total turn in events. If my sources are still correct, expect a same size in height and lenght, but MUCH slimmer. As for the colors, I guess this was a very recent decision, as in the last few weeks.

My educated guess of the next prodcut line....

2 gig- $99
4/5 gig- $199
10 gig- $299
20 gig- $399
40 gig- $499
60 gig- $599
 
Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
Thanks for stopping, G4's suck and thats why G5's are in Powermac.
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First of all, yes, you're right, there is a reason G5s are in the PowerMac - they are the better chip. And although "G4's suck" is neither a proper technical analysis, nor is it proper grammar, they are the lower-end chip and currently have their place, until the G5 iMacs come out in spring, or whenever it might be.

Why does every machine have to have a top of the line chip and hardware in them? How do you differentiate products? I'm all for the iMac having a G5, but what you are proposing is making it exactly like the PowerMac which makes no sense. Why not do away with the iMac then altogether, how would it be any different from the PowerMac?

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
How long will Apple force the agonizing slow G4 on us ( consumers )?
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The answer to your question is, until the G5 iMac is released, probably very soon. Patience is a virtue. We are slowly coming out of the Motorola age and into the IBM age, so updates will become much better and more frequent. Once again, patience is a virtue.

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
well as long as the slow g4 sits in those imacs sales will continue to get smaller,smaller except for the fools that buy one.
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My grandpa likes to surf the Net and check his e-mail. That's it. Why does he need a G5? Is he a fool? I think the fools are people who make narrow-minded comments like the one quoted above.

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
it also has the slowest videochip on the market fx5200(garbage but cheap for apple)not upgradeable
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Slowest on the market? Hmm, I can still go out an buy a GeForce 2 MX, so that statement is completely incorrect for starters. Secondly, once again, does everyone need top of the line hardware? My old PC has a GeForce 2 with 32 MB RAM (not even DDR!) in it. Guess what - it displays my screen fine. I don't play games, why would I need anything more? Hell, a FX5200 is overkill for my needs, and most people's needs. If you are a gamer, you need a power machine with a power video card regardless, so feel free to buy a PowerMac. The FX5200 is not garbage, as it works just fine - so once again, you are incorrect with your non-technical assessment.

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
come on just get rid of motorola's G4 instead of constant crippling of imac so it dont compete with powermac or anything else for that matter.
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I totally agree - the G5 needs to make its way into the iMac. Motorola is slowly being phased out, and the iMac's time will come in the next few months. As for the iMac being crippled, this is once again, incorrect. a 1.25 GHz G4 is adequate for many people's needs. There are many people on this forum using even older machines, which you would deem as crippled garbage, who will prove you wrong time and time again.

You seem to think that something is garbage if it can't compete with the top of the line systems. Why does Intel still make Celeron chips then? You never see Celerons competing with top of the line chips, but they have their place, just as the G4s currently do.
 
Originally posted by the_mole1314

My educated guess of the next prodcut line....

2 gig- $99
4/5 gig- $199
10 gig- $299
20 gig- $399
40 gig- $499
60 gig- $599
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I don't think they'll go up in ladder like that. The gap between the largest Mini-iPod and the bottom iPod is too small. I expect the Mini=iPod will only function as a music player and not a firewire disk (although many students could use some portable document storage without needing 6+ gigs of it). Plus, I think four iPods + 2 Mini-iPods is too many products.

I see it like this:

2 GB - $99
4 GB - $149
15 GB - $299
30 GB - $399
40 GB - $499
 
Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
Thanks for stopping, G4's suck and thats why G5's are in Powermac. How long will Apple force the agonizing slow G4 on us ( consumers )? well as long as the slow g4 sits in those imacs sales will continue to get smaller,smaller except for the fools that buy one. Lets see a cpu 1.25 thats less then half of a dual 1.42 they sold in powermacs a year ago?a bus speed of 167? 1/3 of what those cheap Pcs have, it also has the slowest videochip on the market fx5200(garbage but cheap for apple)not upgradeable, your stuck with the monitor thats stuck to a G4. Lets see now why are sales sucking? Blame the market, blame George Bush, Blame those fast Pcs? come on just get rid of motorola's G4 instead of constant crippling of imac so it dont compete with powermac or anything else for that matter. This is Apples problem, instead of building a great imac they give us more g4. it went from 1.0 to 1.25 this year! and were supposed to be happy with that?they even held back emac because it was beating imac. The G4 was getting whipped 1 year ago and they were using 2. now we get one thats even slower? Motorola is still kicking Apples corporate butt years later. I know there are mac heads here that even if apple used 1.25 g4's for the next year they would be shouting that they dont need the speed, how great apple is and blah blah blah.
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Testify! More of Jobs head up his ass marketing with the iMac. His job is to maximize shareholder value and putting out the best consumer desktop is the best and quickest way to do that. The notion that so-called pro users and consumers can't have the same chip in the computer is ridiculous. If it caused Apple's miniscule business user base to buy iMacs and not Powermacs, so be it. Besides, most of their business base would not due to the horsepower, graphics and expandability they need. With a G5 in it, the iMac would still be highly difffrentiated from the Powermacs.

I also think it's just plain assinine to say you can't put a G5 in an iMac because the "pro" PowerBok doesn't have it.

I love Apple and its products. I sold over 15,000 Macs when I was a reseller and evangelized their platform to the best of my ability.

I'm so tired of wanting a consumer system and all they offer is paltry compared to what PC vendors offer. Remember the original iMac, excellent price-performance in its day and it sold like iPods do today. Do it again Steve!

I want a G5 and I don't want the monster PowerMac, I have no room for it. Give me a G5 iMac with current technolgy and I'm buying 3. Keep me waiting and I might go PC after 16 years.

Surely I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Rant over. Merrry Xmas everyone!
 
Originally posted by rdowns
The notion that so-called pro users and consumers can't have the same chip in the computer is ridiculous.
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I completely agree. But you have to realize that these things take time. Up until June 2003, The PowerMac line and the iMac line did have the same chip in them. But Once the G5 is released, it simply takes time for it to appear it the iMac - and this will happen very soon. Apple has so many things on the go, whether it be working on the PB G5 redesign, new iPod stuff, ITMS, G5 xServes, new LCDs, new iApps, Panther, and who knows what else, that it can't just jump up and release everything right away. These things take time!

Originally posted by rdowns

With a G5 in it, the iMac would still be highly difffrentiated from the Powermacs.
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I agree. Put a 1.6 or 1.8 GHz G5 in the new iMac. However, what Don't Hurt Me was saying above, was that the iMac should have the exact same chip and the exact same hardware - now this idea is simply foolish.

Originally posted by rdowns
I also think it's just plain assinine to say you can't put a G5 in an iMac because the "pro" PowerBok doesn't have it.
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No, you're right, there's no reason that they can't put a G5 chip in the iMac, but this gets back to my earlier points about product differentiation. Why not put a G5 in the eMac and iBook then too? They definitely can put a G5 in anything (once the unit has been appropriately redesigned), but that's not the point. The iMac will see the G5 soon, just before the PBs receive them, but it seems silly to put the G5 in an iMac before the mighty xServe even gets one! Plus, the iMac is undergoing a complete redesign, and there is the timing issue as well regarding this.

Originally posted by rdowns
I want a G5 and I don't want the monster PowerMac, I have no room for it. Give me a G5 iMac with current technolgy and I'm buying 3. Keep me waiting and I might go PC after 16 years.
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Just wait a little longer, my friend and you will have your wish. It has take Apple some time to get out of the ditch Motorola had dug for us, but now that IBM is around, we will be seeing more frequent and impressive updates, and the nasty Moto stench will soon be a thing of the past. 😎

Just curious though, once the G5 PowerBooks come out in early summer (or whenever), are you going to start complaining that the iBooks don't have the G5 chip as well? 😉
 
Originally posted by ~Shard~
Just curious though, once the G5 PowerBooks come out in early summer (or whenever), are you going to start complaining that the iBooks don't have the G5 chip as well? 😉
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Nope. The iBooks are very competitve where they are now with the G4. If a notebook user wants a G5, an alternative will be there. If an iMac consumer wants a G5, there is no alternative now. It's been six months since the G5, it's time. I could just go buy a Powermac but it is too big and more than I need or want. Definately not the money; just had my best year ever.

If Apple does release a G5 iMac in January, I'll get on my knees, face Cupertino and pray to Steve, right after I order them.
 
Originally posted by rdowns
Nope. The iBooks are very competitve where they are now with the G4. If a notebook user wants a G5, an alternative will be there. If an iMac consumer wants a G5, there is no alternative now. It's been six months since the G5, it's time. I could just go buy a Powermac but it is too big and more than I need or want. Definately not the money; just had my best year ever.

If Apple does release a G5 iMac in January, I'll get on my knees, face Cupertino and pray to Steve, right after I order them.
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I was just joking with my last comment there, I hope you realize. 😉

But yes, I agree - the iBook/PowerBook situation is defintely different than the iMac/PowerMac situation right now.
 
Originally posted by ~Shard~
I was just joking with my last comment there, I hope you realize. 😉

But yes, I agree - the iBook/PowerBook situation is defintely different than the iMac/PowerMac situation right now.
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The smiley told me it was a joke but the question deserved an answer. Glad to see you agree.
 
Originally posted by rdowns
Testify! More of Jobs head up his ass marketing with the iMac. His job is to maximize shareholder value and putting out the best consumer desktop is the best and quickest way to do that. The notion that so-called pro users and consumers can't have the same chip in the computer is ridiculous. If it caused Apple's miniscule business user base to buy iMacs and not Powermacs, so be it. Besides, most of their business base would not due to the horsepower, graphics and expandability they need. With a G5 in it, the iMac would still be highly difffrentiated from the Powermacs.

I also think it's just plain assinine to say you can't put a G5 in an iMac because the "pro" PowerBok doesn't have it.

I love Apple and its products. I sold over 15,000 Macs when I was a reseller and evangelized their platform to the best of my ability.

I'm so tired of wanting a consumer system and all they offer is paltry compared to what PC vendors offer. Remember the original iMac, excellent price-performance in its day and it sold like iPods do today. Do it again Steve!

I want a G5 and I don't want the monster PowerMac, I have no room for it. Give me a G5 iMac with current technolgy and I'm buying 3. Keep me waiting and I might go PC after 16 years.

Surely I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Rant over. Merrry Xmas everyone!
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I feel your pain but Apple has to pull its head out of its corporate a..! as long as G4 is forced on us sales will suck. dump the ballast Steve.
 
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