The law maker should also stop “freemium” model for underaged. Getting kids into a game and sell overpriced skins should be banned too. If that is the only business model
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And tell me why is an iPhone an absolute essential and critical? Dialing 911? Jitterbugs can do that. Guess what? My grandparents have jitterbugs, new ones. They do not NEED an iPhone or Android.
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My grandparents have one. They do not need smartphones. iPhones and Android are just too much for them.
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My grandparents have one. They do not need smartphones. iPhones and Android are just too much for them.
It has GPS and Alexa
And? Can't put Fortnite on it or Office or any apps. So how does that relate to this bill and the people saying iPhone and Android are the MOST ESSENTIAL DEVICES EVER!!!!!!It has GPS and Alexa
My grandparents get by just fine without iPhone or Android smartphones.
Increasingly impractical. Do you have a COVID app for that “jitterbug”? How do your grandparents receive e-mail? What about photos; does the family print them out for them, or do they not even bother because they’re the only ones in the family without a messenger?
These devices are for the elderly, they really aren't viable for most and definitely not for business.
So you just proved my point, iPhone and Android are not the most critical devices in the world and everyone NEEDS one. If the elderly (which has constant health problems) can survive with these devices, then a smartphone like the iPhone or Galaxy phones are not ESSENTIAL.
They have computers and printers. I don't even have a COVID app on my iPhone. And you do realize these phones perform SMS messaging right?
Again, accessing emails while out to dinner is not OMG ESSENTIAL I NEED NEED NEED MY EMAILS NOW!!!!!!!
Oh, so now computers are essential? Sounds like you’re arguing against yourself.
No. Accessing them at all is, though, and for the majority of people on the planet, a smartphone is the primary way you do that.
It is convenience not essential.
And yes, computers are essential. How the hell am I arguing with myself? Someone said smartphones are essential, they are not. You said "What about emails" they have computers. "What about "photos" they have photo albums, you know not everyone just has stuff digitally, we still prefer to print out photos and put them in a physical photo album.
Again, if you are out to dinner, accessing your email, playing Fortnite, browsing Facebook or opening up Microsoft Word are not essential for life and safety. Being able to dial 911, or texting is - which these non-smartphones do.
This is not Mission Impossible, where you only have 60 seconds to read your email or write a Word document.
Are you sure your grandparents use it? I reckon they are on clubhouse on their pro max when you're not about ranting about you not buying them a proper phone.
Geez people, yes I am 100% sure my grandparents use them. I would not have stated so if they have an iPhone.
They have tried, iPhone and Android OSes are just way too much for them.
Again, that proves the point I was making. Let's see here.
Computer + non-smart phone
vs
iPhone/Android.
Therefore, iPhone/Android is NOT ESSENTIAL if a laptop/desktop gives access to essential email/photos/printing.
The people that only have iPhones/Android are doing it for convenience. Like my grandparents, they have computers for all that other stuff.
Again, it’s not 2003. The primary computer most people use, especially very young and old ones, is a smartphone.
It’s great that you can come up with your counterexample, but I really don’t care, and neither do regulatory bodies.
Again, that’s increasingly not representative of how people think. Old people love to go on WhatsApp and iMessage to see family pictures in the group chat.
So what? If you’re out to dinner, which I hope you aren’t because we have a pandemic going on, your home water and electricity aren’t essential either, because you’re not hope. Despite that, we consider those essential.
Yes yes. Go enjoy your nerdgasm.
Funny how these fictional people use a desktop PC and printer, but a smartphone confuses them.
“Akshually, my grandparents have no smartphone; therefore it isn’t essential” is about as useful to the discussion as “actually, my uncle uses kerosene lamps and is prepared for electrical grid failures; therefore, electricity isn’t essential”. Which, cool, but no. That’s not how policy moves forward.
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If you think that’s a UITableViewController or SwiftUI List view, I have a bridge to sell you.
It’s a website.
Sometimes the ridiculousness here is more than amazing, right? A smart phone is not a necessity, but a cell phone is... Tells you the guy grew up with cell phones but is old enough to remember pre-smartphone times. Also shows limited understanding of technological and cultural advances. If at least the argument was that messenger pigeons are the only necessity and e.g. electricity and toilets are just a convenience too... then at least one could give 0.5 points for consistency.
At the end of the day it all boils down to Pro Business versus Pro Market, the rest of the world is turning pro market with the US still being pro business, it will get ugly, I mean the EU is lusting after Apple Pay as their own universal form of payment therefore expect to see a lot of this, epic knows they have a fighting chance in the EU with this, but of course expect the consumer to lose as always
You think “greedy” epic and giving a hoot about consumers goes in the same sentence?
Woohoo no more state taxes in AZ because i lived in South Dakota and they didn't make me pay state income tax so I shouldn't have to pay them in AZ! Apple does not get money from the state so I don't see how a private business has to follow certain states rules! If people want to be like android and be able to load possible virus infested apps move to a windows phone or android. This is why ordinary people are not in charge of big companies cause they would fail.
You are probably right. It does mirror the subscription web page.
But, hear me out here, it is a standard List construct. Whether that is a UITableViewController, SwiftUI List view, or any other various Java control options, C## control, or what have you. The concept of "put a bunch of things in a list that I can scroll and click to get more detail" is pretty universal.
Does it really matter if someone coded a SwiftUI List view into the settings pane or just wrapped a web page view? And, since this is coordinating information NOT stored on your phone anyway, the web view actually makes more sense.
I guess I am confused - was the issue of "non standard" that it was not a explicitly using UITableViewController? That seems like a bit of grasping at straws to complain about something rather than argue the merits of the point (pro or con).
It’s a **** user experience. It’s slow to load the list in the first place, and when you tap to open a subscription page, it’s empty until the content fades in a second or two later. Used to be Apple would reject third-party apps over that, but it’s fine for them.
Why does a computer == it being 2003? I don't recall a Windows 10 system existing in 2003. Some people actually prefer Computers + classic phones.
Again, what you are saying is convenience NOT in any way 100% life and death essential otherwise Jitterbug would not be able to sell ANY of those phones.
And BTW, I really do not appreciate your tone. "These fictional people". Are you serious?! Tell me, how do you print from an iPhone? Not from USB is it? These people have printers connected via USB because they do not have wifi, they have ethernet.
Not what I said.
Yes, but most people do not, and many people on the planet never had a PC but do have a smartphone.
AirPrint.
(Why is this relevant?)
I don’t know why you’d bring that up, but again, a lot of households don’t exactly have Ethernet cables. They have Wi-Fi.
This....is....my....point.
Its not 100% life and death essential for an iPhone to exist. You said not everyone on the planet has a PC, but not everyone on the planet has an iPhone. And iPhone is convenience not a necessity. You are basically saying the exact same thing in a way. I am not saying an iPhone is nice, or cool, or can even replace a computer. I am saying its not 100% life and death essential. As people with Computers + flip phones can get by EXACTLY THE SAME. They still have access to email, photos, printing, and more.
My point was relevant because some people (like my grandparents) do not have Wifi, so how do you expect them to print from an iPhone?
You do realize many elderly people do not want to spend money if they don't need to right? So I could FORCE them to move to iPhone, but then they would need to get a wireless router, a new printer that supports AirPrint, dealing with showing them how to use iOS, moving their data to some cloud storage provider so they can access it on iPhone JUST because someone online said iPhones are critical?