Missing "pro" features

[Armen]

When dealing with companies and customer care, or some contractor or smaller business, it can be used as confirmation of what was promised and/or done to your account, for example.

When dealing with another person it could be to recall some sort of directions or a list of something.

All of those can be less important when someone can text or email you all that too, but not everyone by far does that.

Well, I don't think anyone here in California would be ok with "oh btw, is it ok if I record this conversation?"

 

[C DM]

Well, I don't think anyone here in California would be ok with "oh btw, is it ok if I record this conversation?"

At least as far as calling customer care or companies/businesses you are usually told that your call can/will be recorded by them, and most of us continue anyway most of the time--being able to record the same conversation on your side of things shouldn't really be a big deal then it would seem.

As for talking to someone while you are driving for example or commuting and they are going to list off some things to you or give you some directions (and again, maybe they can't email/text that information for whatever reason) most would probably be just fine with that conversation recorded, in particular if it's between family members or friends or something like that who wouldn't care about something like that at all for a conversation of that sort.

 

[Menneisyys2]

When dealing with companies and customer care, or some contractor or smaller business, it can be used as confirmation of what was promised and/or done to your account, for example.

When dealing with another person it could be to recall some sort of directions or a list of something.

All of those can be less important when someone can text or email you all that too, but not everyone by far does that.

Also add situations where you're told some important info but you don't have a pen or need to finish the conversation quickly, making it impossible to in some way jot down that info. This can be VERY useful.

Also, not forgetting meeting places / times when meeting friends and stuff - I pretty easily forget unimportant stuff like that, so, it's very important for me I can listen to the conversation any time to make sure I remember the right place / time

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Well, I don't think anyone here in California would be ok with "oh btw, is it ok if I record this conversation?"

Again: you Californians are in a very small minority. You have your laws - we have ours and your laws shouldn't forbid us to live under much freeer / more liberal laws by making Apple not offer call recording at all.

The vast majority of Earth's population is free to record calls. And a lot of them do want to record calls.

 

[MisakixMikasa]

If by using you mean making phone calls and texting, sure. Ask an average Android user how to add a widget to the desktop and they wouldn't know how.

Which world are you living in that average Android does not use app and other stuff? I am pretty sure lots of iOS users using iDevices just like Android users using their device. Heck, I have seen iOS users do not know how to change wallpaper.

 

[C DM]

Also add situations where you're told some important info but you don't have a pen or need to finish the conversation quickly, making it impossible to in some way jot down that info. This can be VERY useful.

Also, not forgetting meeting places / times when meeting friends and stuff - I pretty easily forget unimportant stuff like that, so, it's very important for me I can listen to the conversation any time to make sure I remember the right place / time

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Again: you Californians are in a very small minority. You have your laws - we have ours and your laws shouldn't forbid us to live under much freeer / more liberal laws by making Apple not offer call recording at all.

The vast majority of Earth's population is free to record calls. And a lot of them do want to record calls.

To be fair, going by the earlier posted Wikipedia article, there are more states than even just a couple that are two-party consent states. There are more countries than just a couple where it's two-party consent also applies or recording is just illegal. So, while it might be a minority perhaps as far as being less than half in the overall sense, it's not exactly something that is so isolated or so unimaginable as it is reality for quite a large number of people in US and the world overall.

 

[Armen]

Which world are you living in that average Android does not use app and other stuff? I am pretty sure lots of iOS users using iDevices just like Android users using their device. Heck, I have seen iOS users do not know how to change wallpaper.

EXACTLY my point. Most users don't know how to customize their phones so what's the point of giving MORE options to customize?

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Also add situations where you're told some important info but you don't have a pen or need to finish the conversation quickly, making it impossible to in some way jot down that info. This can be VERY useful.

Also, not forgetting meeting places / times when meeting friends and stuff - I pretty easily forget unimportant stuff like that, so, it's very important for me I can listen to the conversation any time to make sure I remember the right place / time

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Again: you Californians are in a very small minority. You have your laws - we have ours and your laws shouldn't forbid us to live under much freeer / more liberal laws by making Apple not offer call recording at all.

The vast majority of Earth's population is free to record calls. And a lot of them do want to record calls.

Ok fair enough. It's just generally taboo around here to record conversations.

 

[Menneisyys2]

To be fair, going by the earlier posted Wikipedia article, there are more states than even just a couple that are two-party consent states.

Are you sure you checked out the right sections? According to section "All-party consent states", in the US, twelve require an announcement of recording, of the 50+1. It's quite a minority. Also in the EU, where the majority of countries are one-party states, except for Germany and prolly the UK.

 

[C DM]

Are you sure you checked out the right sections? According to section "All-party consent states", in the US, twelve require an announcement of recording, of the 50+1. It's quite a minority. Also in the EU, where the majority of countries are one-party states, except for Germany and prolly the UK.

As far as US, while 12 out of 50 is a minority, it's still doesn't mean something is so isolated or unheard of as something that would only apply to 1 or 3 or even just 3 states. Plus, a good few of those states have more US population in them than quite a few of the other 38 states put together, so population wise the proportion can be quite a bit higher (and while it still might not be a majority, and thus would technically be considered a minority, it would still mean that it's reality for a ton of people).

As far as EU, by number of the countries, yes, it seems like only a few might have restrictions. But, again, population can potentially change that proportion somewhat.

If you go beyond that, essentially worldwide, the article doesn't cover as much, but you have the whole continent of Australia that restricts it (yes, it's only one country that's not very densely populated). You also have India that restricts it, and that has the population larger than all of US and EU put together and then some.

So, in a sense of how many people worldwide might be affected by such types of restrictions, it's a harder call to make what's really a majority or a minority, and by how much really.

Again, it's a reality for many many people. It doesn't necessarily make it right or wrong or good or bad per se, but it's much more than some sort of isolated "backwards" thing that just applies to some fringe elements in the world.

 

[Menneisyys2]

BTW, speaking of call recording, I've just released version 1 of my long-promised dynamic Audio Recorder configurer tool (both full sources and a DEB installer are available): https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18682541/

 

[SanjeevRana]

As far as US, while 12 out of 50 is a minority, it's still doesn't mean something is so isolated or unheard of as something that would only apply to 1 or 3 or even just 3 states. Plus, a good few of those states have more US population in them than quite a few of the other 38 states put together, so population wise the proportion can be quite a bit higher (and while it still might not be a majority, and thus would technically be considered a minority, it would still mean that it's reality for a ton of people).

As far as EU, by number of the countries, yes, it seems like only a few might have restrictions. But, again, population can potentially change that proportion somewhat.

If you go beyond that, essentially worldwide, the article doesn't cover as much, but you have the whole continent of Australia that restricts it (yes, it's only one country that's not very densely populated). You also have India that restricts it, and that has the population larger than all of US and EU put together and then some.

So, in a sense of how many people worldwide might be affected by such types of restrictions, it's a harder call to make what's really a majority or a minority, and by how much really.

Again, it's a reality for many many people. It doesn't necessarily make it right or wrong or good or bad per se, but it's much more than some sort of isolated "backwards" thing that just applies to some fringe elements in the world.

Wanted to correct you on India's status ...

If you look into current laws, its all GREY ... Phone tapping is very different from Phone Recording. Strict laws are there for Phone Tapping. However, when it comes to Phone recording (no 3rd party involved), its all subjective.

If prior consent is there, then all legal. If public interest is the final motive (Sting operations), then no consent even required and its legal in eyes of courts !!

 

[-LikesMac-]

What is considered "pro"? I think the best way to talk about features that should be in iOS is to simply say "Missing features in iOS" rather than bringing in the idea of "pro" since that term is subjective in itself.

On the topic of call recording:
I think call recording is an interesting idea, but I don't think it should be put into iOS simply because of privacy concerns (esp. in today's world) and because of the fact that legality of recording calls is simply not uniform enough, even within one country.

 

[charlituna]

Somethings that could make iOS much more interesting and productive is customization (can't even turn off vibration for alarm clock), file system, allow apps to compile code, send more than 1 pdf file at a time (not possible with Pages), send more than 5 pictures in one e-mail (when adding a 6th picture in the pictures app the e-mail options disappears like it would be some kind of trial version), record phone calls, and so on.

all of these are things Apple could have done several versions ago if they wanted. They haven't, cause they don't want to. Especially the compiling code and file system.

Remember they are designing iOS for the 95% which don't need or care about such things, not the 5% that keep screaming it's vital etc

 

[redkamel]

You don't see a problem with the way it's done now?

If you have 2 file viewing apps having the same file saved 2 times on the phone is a good solution? Again the same identical file saved twice just wasting space.

How about if you delete an app. It's a good idea to lose all the external files contained in it? Or if the app fails losing all your files?

Here's the deal. Apple knows this is an archaic way of file management they currently have but worked themselves into it because it was fine in 2007-08. Now there is no good way to fix it.

Let me ask you, what do you think is easier. Opening a file from a folder like we've all been doing for years on computers OR opening a file in an app from another app that has the file?

It's kind of a trick question because the latter is sometime impossible depending on sharing.

Does it really save it twice though? I thought it just saved the changes to the file, except for photos which can save a copy

If you delete an app it doesn't delete the files...at least, not for me.

I actually think opening a file from an app is much easier on my phone/ipad. I never have to look for it, it is just listed.

 

[bransoj]

Joys of internet forums....on one thread on here we have someone saying the dots to show someone is typing on iMessage is a privacy issue whilst on another thread someone is wanting Apple to allow recording of calls!!

 

[cynics]

Does it really save it twice though? I thought it just saved the changes to the file, except for photos which can save a copy



If you delete an app it doesn't delete the files...at least, not for me.



I actually think opening a file from an app is much easier on my phone/ipad. I never have to look for it, it is just listed.

Everything here is incorrect and the reason people want a file system. Which makes it obvious why you don't understand the need for a user accessible file system.

Files are contained within apps.

So if you have two apps to view the same file it needs to be saved twice, once for each app.

Because files are saved IN apps deleting that app deletes the files in it. If I delete Adobe reader that list of files is deleted.

You misread or ignored my question. Opening files from one app to ANOTHER app is impossible. For example a PDF file in Adobe reader is inaccessible to PDF expert app. Rarely there is a share with option.

 

[Menneisyys2]

Does it really save it twice though? I thought it just saved the changes to the file, except for photos which can save a copy

It does. There aren't shared copies, except for some well-known cases like the Camera Roll.

Basically, iOS' file handling is really primitive.

 

[universaliz]

What is considered "pro"? I think the best way to talk about features that should be in iOS is to simply say "Missing features in iOS" rather than bringing in the idea of "pro" since that term is subjective in itself.

What I had in mind was features that boosts your productivity, be it for work, projects or whatever. I am not interested in the majority of the features that has been added in the last OS updates since they don't really add anything. Not even AirDrop is useful as it is right now.

On the topic of call recording:
I think call recording is an interesting idea, but I don't think it should be put into iOS simply because of privacy concerns (esp. in today's world) and because of the fact that legality of recording calls is simply not uniform enough, even within one country.

So many phones (not even considered smartphones) have this option, but the iPhone should not due to "legality"? That's just BS. NSA is doing it already anyway, but that is completely fine?

Some people have already pointed out the reasons that you would use it for. Here is another example. I see many journalists using iPhone for interviews. Now when they are onto a scoop they obviously want to record the call. With the iPhone (which is considered one of the best smartphones) it is not possible, unless they carry around several clumsy accessories.

Again: you Californians are in a very small minority. You have your laws - we have ours and your laws shouldn't forbid us to live under much freeer / more liberal laws by making Apple not offer call recording at all.

The vast majority of Earth's population is free to record calls. And a lot of them do want to record calls.

Well spoken. Certain features can be restricted by geography (for example iTunes Radio) but others can't.

all of these are things Apple could have done several versions ago if they wanted. They haven't, cause they don't want to. Especially the compiling code and file system.

Remember they are designing iOS for the 95% which don't need or care about such things, not the 5% that keep screaming it's vital etc

I don't see why you can't have both? As it is right now a lot of stuff is harder to do on iOS than on a computer.

Vibration tweaks don't sound 'PRO'.

Correct, nevertheless still annoying.

Apps to compile code is a huge security vulnerability, one of the primary features touted of iOS and one of the reason it's used in many Professional settings.

Why would that be a security risk?

If you want to share large numbers of photos, create a shared photostream, or share a dropbox folder url. Much rather have a URL, then to have an inbox filled with large photos to be archived.

No thank you.

Customization: You can heavily customize Android phones yet everyone I see with one have the same exact setup as the day they took it out of the box. (One co-worker didn't even know how to add widgets). Not everyone is a tech geek.

My concerns are not really about customization. Should never have mentioned it. I'm actually fine with 95% of the settings.

Compile Code: In what practical sense of things does one need to compile code on a phone? Even if they could it would eat through battery.

Why do everyone think of iPhone? I agree on the iPhone, but surely the iPad's potential is much more interesting.

Attaching photos to e-mail: Shared photo streams takes care of this so you don't have to attach that many photos in 1 e-mail.

It's not the same.

Record Calls: I'm pretty sure this is illegal.

Far from everywhere.

There are apps that have the PHP/Python/etc libraries so you can run code within them (DraftCode). However you can't expect any mobile device to compile code efficiently at this point. I think Android apps take like 2 hours at the minimum?

Will check it out. Thanks!
Why shouldn't you expect an iPad to at least be able to do it? You know, I was not having app development in mind.

Tried JB'ing?

Yes. It failed first time so had to wait a week until my phone started working again. Really don't want to go through that again.

As for "pro" applications - those come through the app store. "Pro" is not being able to change the color of your text message bubbles. Pro is compiling video and doing skilled photo editing. Pro is something normal users wouldn't care about. Pro is better left to app developers.

My main concern is that the pro applications could be so much more and so many more with some additions to the current OS - pro features or whatever you wish to call it.

As for iOS - I have a few things I'd love to see in iOS 8:

-Quick Reply
-Better Attachment support (docs and pdfs)
-Better use of the third tab in the notification center (I rarely see anything in the "missed" section - not sure what its for and feel something else could go there)

At this point, I don't have a lot of issues with the OS itself. I'd love to see AirDrop work between OSX and iOS, but I'd guess they'd change that on the OSX side given the iOS version just came out.

Good points. Let's hope they'll be in.

iOS is an OS that does the basic stuff and then takes a back seat to the apps. It is not an all encompassing OS, nor is it supposed to be. The strength of iOS lies within the app store and the quality of apps there. Its then incumbent upon developers to continue to develop apps that leverage the power of the SoCs being put into these devices.

One serious problem is that apps are not able to communicate with each other and take advantage of each other. Every app has to create there own file browser for example if they want certain features. This damages the consistency across apps and makes me go back to my Mac every time.

 

[I7guy]

Hence the expression, there's an app for that.

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Joys of internet forums....on one thread on here we have someone saying the dots to show someone is typing on iMessage is a privacy issue whilst on another thread someone is wanting Apple to allow recording of calls!!

Best response of the day.

 

[Menneisyys2]

Hence the expression, there's an app for that.

For true, non-proxy-based call recording? Access to the entire file system from the device itself? Not even other apps' "Incoming" directories are accessible (directories where the "Send to" files are stored), let alone their Documents directories (or the entire FS). Where?

 

[Menneisyys2]

BTW, speaking of call recording, I've just released version 1 of my long-promised dynamic Audio Recorder configurer tool (both full sources and a DEB installer are available): https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18682541/

Just released a huge update to it (with source code and stuff): https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18685976/

 

[white4s]

Somethings that could make iOS much more interesting and productive is customization (can't even turn off vibration for alarm clock)
What pro features are you missing?

my phone definitely doesn't vibrate when the alarm goes off, what are you talking about?

everything else you said sounds like you should jailbreak

 

[cynics]

my phone definitely doesn't vibrate when the alarm goes off, what are you talking about?



everything else you said sounds like you should jailbreak

If the phone is set to vibrate for calls it's supposed to vibrate and sound for alarm. I'm assuming he means setting the alarm to sound but not vibrate....

I'm kind of curious about this too. Seems fine the way it is unless I'm missing something.

 

[kevroc]

What pro features are you missing?

A common file system would be really great. I hate the fact that I have to store the same PDF in 6 different apps versus those apps all just pointing to one file.

The background multi-tasking has gotten better, but I love dropsync on Android where I can have it monitor a folder, and then any file I save to that folder gets auto synced up to my dropbox account.

I like having a few widgets, not many, but a couple of them are cool to have. I like having my calendar entries listed out on my home screen instead of having to launch a calender app.

I love my Android swype keyboard. I really like that it remembers email address so I can tap to enter it quickly.

As many things as I wish my iPhone did that I can do on Android, I have just as many things I wish my Android phone did that my iPhone does. Neither are perfect and they both do really cool things and they both suck at some things. Such is life right?

Windows Phone 8 is also really good at some things, but not so good at other things. If they had better app support it would be more equal between the 3.

 

[universaliz]

If the phone is set to vibrate for calls it's supposed to vibrate and sound for alarm. I'm assuming he means setting the alarm to sound but not vibrate....

I'm kind of curious about this too. Seems fine the way it is unless I'm missing something.

I think it was prior to iOS 6 that the alarm would sound but not vibrate. Now Apple has added vibration. You can turn off vibration for calls, messages etc. but not for the alarm. If you want to turn it off, you have to turn off vibration completely. Really annoying...

I'll update the original post since this is not a pro feature.

 

[universaliz]

A common file system would be really great. I hate the fact that I have to store the same PDF in 6 different apps versus those apps all just pointing to one file.

The background multi-tasking has gotten better, but I love dropsync on Android where I can have it monitor a folder, and then any file I save to that folder gets auto synced up to my dropbox account.

I like having a few widgets, not many, but a couple of them are cool to have. I like having my calendar entries listed out on my home screen instead of having to launch a calender app.

I love my Android swype keyboard. I really like that it remembers email address so I can tap to enter it quickly.

As many things as I wish my iPhone did that I can do on Android, I have just as many things I wish my Android phone did that my iPhone does. Neither are perfect and they both do really cool things and they both suck at some things. Such is life right?

Windows Phone 8 is also really good at some things, but not so good at other things. If they had better app support it would be more equal between the 3.

Would definatley like to have a swype keyboard. Hipjot looks cool. Too bad it's not possible to have it as default.

Android and WP8 surely are tempting. Would probably had gone with MeeGo if it wouldn't been cancelled. It looked really promising back in the days.