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MLB 2009 Season
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The point of the salary cap is to keep a level playing field, so that more teams have a chance at making the big show. Your examples are great! THe NBA was interesting because everything was so lopsided when it was implemented. It took a few seasons to work itself out, but at least things are more competitive. This is the same as your NFL example.
The cap that I suggested would also affect my team (Phillies). The topic is usually brought up with the Yankees for one reason only. They spend between 33% and 600% more on their roster than every other team in the league. If the Phillies were the top spenders, I would be talking smack on them too.
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I'm sorry but I can't do that. You want to go back 60 or 70 years ago? Go back further than WWII and before what is considered modern baseball?
You bring up that 90s Yanks but the core of the team were people in their own system like Posada, Jeter, Bernie Williams, Mariano Rivera and Pettite. To win that many WS, it's not just a question of talent. That team didn't just dominate on payroll. Everything has to be perfect. Those kind of teams come around every 30 or 40 years. The last time a team dominated like that was the Big Red Machine. By your understanding, the Yankees should have dominated in the 80s as well and they didn't. You are only bringing up the Yanks.
Those 90s teams also had a lot of role players that were not making huge money. Brosious comes to mind. I don't think O'Neil was making huge money either.
Look back at all the Yankees rosters since they got Ruth. They have had talent like that virtually all the time since then. I think the 70s A's were as good as the Big Red Machine, but then again when I think of the A's in the 70s, I think of Reggie Jackson, and then I think of Jackson going on to win two more that decade with New York.
It's truly hard to say which Yankee's roster was their best. They have had so many and will have many more to come if the salary cap doesn't get implemented. I predict in the next couple of years they get Pujols (8X all star) or Ichiro (9X all star). The Yankees just need to write a check.
Bite your tongue!
Dear lord I hope not. Pujols seems like one of those guys who would turn down a better offer elsewhere to remain in St. Louis. He likes it here and the fans love him, he just seems more down to earth than other players. And I'm sure the Cardinals would blow through their entire payroll to keep him if he threatened to leave.
Hey, they got Damon (so far the star of tonight's game) from Boston. Who thought that would have happened? And Giambi was making a boatload of money with the A's and NY came along and more than doubled his salary so he went east.
As long as there is no salary cap, NY will get Pujols if they really want, and even Ichiro, too. If that happens, the Yankees will go four for five again in the 2010s.
Until the steroids test comes in.
Ichiro is not a team player and getting older, I don't see the Yankees going after him.
Ya the Giants love older washed up players.Fine, I wouldn't mind if he came to San Francisco, thank you!
I think you're going overboard with the salary cap. I'd seriously doubt that Ichiro or Pujols would come here. Those kind of players stay with their teams until they get old and suck.
Yes, in the early years, the Yankees were incredibly dominant and I will admit it was largely due to the ability to buy players. That was a different time though. Owners were not willing to pay for players and they were pocketing the cash they made not unlike some teams today.
As for Ruth, you seem smart to know that Ruth would have been known as a great pitcher and not a great hitter if he wasn't traded to the Yanks. Besides the Red Sox owner was more interested in musicals (LOL Red Sox) than baseball. I don't even consider those days because they didn't even have a draft back then. The Yanks could unfairly dominate because they could always offered the most talented players more money than anyone else.
Look at the Devil Rays who made it to the WS last year. They beat teams who had significantly higher payrolls. It's not an impossibility nor an improbability. These teams make it there and sometimes they win.
BTW I think the Reds were better but it was close. Keep in mind that both teams are considered to be small market teams. Reggie, while a great player, was more significant to the A's than the Yanks (IMO a far better player too). Reggie had that one game for the Yanks which defined him.
Not sure the Yanks bought A-rod cause he was a team player at all, especially his reputation at the time. They throw money at anything. I can see them very interested in Ichiro.
Angels have two more at bats
LOL, I wouldn't want Pujols. No offense to Cardinal fans but I think that Pujols has been hitting the juice for years thanks to McGwire. This rumor has been going around the MLB for years too. I'll take A-Rod at his word though that he's off of it. Oddly enough I don't think roids helped his numbers all that much.
EDIT: I believe Ichiro is a free agent this year and the Mariners have every intent of keeping him.
The only thing Roids did for A-Rod was keep his strength up, it didn't give him more power. He has that naturally.
Yeah, I think so. While One can never be sure of it, theonly three people I'm 100% sure who hasn't taken steroids over the past 20 years (who was great) was Jeter, Mariano Rivera, & Tony Gwynn. As forcGwire I knew since the early 90s when he was injured 1/4 of the season and still had over 50 HRs. That was the year when he was involved in the HR race with Juan Gonzalez, who I also believe was hitting the juice. I don't know who influenced who between Gonzalez and Raphael Palmeiro.
I'd like to nominate Brady Anderson & Luis Gonzales to that All-Roids Team as well.
Big mistake by Scocsia. He should have had Fuentes out there for the eighth. The ninth is their last licks and you should have gone with your best, behind Lackey, to keep the game alive.Now they're down by three to the best reliever of all time (and one of the, at least top 10 overall, best pitchers of all time).
What are going to do against this current Yankees lineup?
If you don't walk them intentionally or unintetionally, they get hits with batting averages in the 300s and 400s. This is just nuts.
FINAL
LAA 2- 5 NYY
........i'm sad.........
well i'm not gonna watch the world series......
to the majority of LA fans.....this world series will be boring..........
and i love baseball, but i'm not gonna watch it......sorry....... till the 2010 MLB Season Thread.......
the dodgers and angels had a great run in the NLCS and ALCS series...........
LAA 2- 5 NYY
........i'm sad.........
well i'm not gonna watch the world series......
to the majority of LA fans.....this world series will be boring..........
and i love baseball, but i'm not gonna watch it......sorry....... till the 2010 MLB Season Thread.......
the dodgers and angels had a great run in the NLCS and ALCS series...........
LOL, I don't know. The 400s? C'mon they're not that good. I would tell you the Phillies lineup is close to being as good.
MacNut, I wrap my virtual arms around you. We're in baby!!! I'm going to get some beers at the local 7/11 to celebrate!
I agree. It's an insane team and should win by a large margin. Takes the fun out of it imo when you buy your way into this. Phillies...take them out! Angels sucked this series and beat themselves all over the place. Congrats Yankee fan (puke
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