wrong. that was the Mets in the past but not in recent years...
enough said.
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i wasnt trying to make a moot point. if you read carefully, i said "he should have" as in my opinion.
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wrong. that was the Mets in the past but not in recent years...
enough said.
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i wasnt trying to make a moot point. if you read carefully, i said "he should have" as in my opinion.
Really? Most championships in history and one win away from the world series last year and they are a losing franchise? They have had a winning record every year since 1993.
And since inception in 1903 they have a .569 win percentage.
The New York Mets since 1962 have a .480
So you acknowledge the yankees past only but you dont acknowledge the Mets last couple of years the Mets have been doing good? and 93' was long time ago, that doesnt count. and "most championships" is doubtful cause back in the yogi berra era there was alot of baseball fraud due to betting from the mobs and much less baseball teams. #RealTalk
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You want to talk fraud, but won't mention Madoff? The reason the Mets can't spend money. When was the Mets last Championship and when was the Yankees last one? And since the Mets last championship how many have the Yankees won.
Since 1999 the Mets had good seasons in 99, 2000, 06, 15, if you want to say 86 wins in 16 is good fine. Far too many bad years between them though.
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We can only measure them using the past, There is no current - baseball season is over. We can only see the precipitous fall from 2015, or prior to that a franchise mired in mediocrity. No matter how you slice it the Mets are not an organization that is viewed at the same level as the Yankees, Dodgers, or even Red Sox
I will say that given the issues with the Red Sox over the past couple of years, I can see why Stanton didn't go with them either.
If you want to ignore the past, lets just take last season, and the NY Mets were 70 and 92, which is awful. there's no way you can say they're a top level franchise at 70 and 92.
If you want context then we can use the fact that between 2006 and 2015 they were horrible without any playoff appearances.
still not convinced, try again. yankee fans always stumble when i talk about the fraudulent past of the yankees "winning history" nice try but no cigar...
What is there to convince.
The mets record is black and white, if you want to believe the mets are a top tier franchise that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion but as Bill Parcells stated. You're only as good as your record is and their record states otherwise.
Here's the mets last 5 seasons which cumulatively is a losing record, in fact they only had two winning seasons in the pst 5 years.
What is this fraudulent past you are talking about. Do you have any proof that everyone everywhere does not have. You can be jealous of the Yankees and that’s fine but don’t make stuff up to make you feel better about your own team.
lol what is there to convince? dude you just went out of your way to add a picture of stats, you are "trying" to convince me. im a hardcore Mets fan, thats Impossible!
go to post #55 and read it carefully, im not gonna repeat myself. NY Mobs were doing betting and fraud with yankees baseball back in the day. ive talked to other Mets fans and they know about it as well.
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They were betting on everything. Prove they fixed Yankee games. If it happened it would have been found out by now. So your argument is until proven otherwise fake news.
Now something else to ruin your night. The Mets look to be trying to trade Matt Harvey.
Being a hardcore fan doesn't mean you have to put on blinders. I mean consider the NE Patriots, it would have been ludicrous to consider them a top tier franchise in the 70s or 80s and how silly someone would sound trying to make the case.
Same thing here, you can be a fan, but you can also be honest about your teams performance. Either way, I see its fruitless to pursue the discussion any further, I'm out.
lol "ruin my night"? i have tough rhino skin, you gonna have to do better than that. let them sell harvey, he is burned out anyways. its the Mob, nobody said nothing back in those days. do your own research. and if your such a yank fan how come you know so much about Mets news, seems weird?
So as a Yankees fan in supposed to live in a bubble and not know what other teams are doing. I follow baseball because I love the sport. The point of this thread is to post off season news and the winter meetings are this week. Time for you to take the Mets blinders off and realise there are other teams out there.
[doublepost=1513104475][/doublepost]The Padres acquire INF Chase Headley and RHP Bryan Mitchell from the Yankees for OF Jabari Blash.
O's are shopping Manny Machado.
Yankees are eyes Tigers RHP Micael Fulmer as potential trade target.
Marlins are now trying to push Marcell Ozuna in a trade.
Mets, Rockies, Blue Jays, and Mariners are interested in Jay Bruce.
The Twins, Nationals, Cubs, Diamondbacks, and Rangers are among the teams interested in free agent reliever Brandon Kintzler. He could be the next reliever to sign.
ESPN reports that the Red Sox are in a position to react
In a sense, I think that's a mistake, We (and other teams) have over-paid for superstars only to have them fail to deliver. The Yankees seemingly learned that lesson and spent the fast few years cultivating their farm system and avoid high-price acquisitions, conversely the Red Sox were trading away their young talent. I saw some people pegging the red sox farm system 20th in the league which is very low.
In a sense, I think that's a mistake, We (and other teams) have over-paid for superstars only to have them fail to deliver. The Yankees seemingly learned that lesson and spent the fast few years cultivating their farm system and avoid high-price acquisitions, conversely the Red Sox were trading away their young talent. I saw some people pegging the red sox farm system 20th in the league which is very low.
San Francisco Giants caught between a rock and a hard place this offseason. Ohtani or Stanton would have been a big splash if either one of them had happened, but there are other holes to fill on the roster. They need a 3B, a good defensive CF, and a power-hitting corner OF.
It's going to be tough to spend big on free agents because ownership doesn't want to go into luxury tax land; trading for talent will be tricky because they don't have valued assets at the major league level and the farm system isn't that highly regarded; going for a full rebuild seems extreme when there is still a fairly talented nucleus to build around, but it seems like they won't be able to match the Dodgers for a while, or maybe not even the Diamondbacks.
The Diamondbacks are setup better for the long haul than the Dodgers. The Dodgers are over spent, that's why they could not make a play for Stanton, they are way over the luxury tax and don't have any room to add.