protoxx
macrumors 6502a
People who have to give presentations at business meetings. People who need to download photo or video and work on it or upload it when away from the office.
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Mobile Tech Review of 15" Pro
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People who have to give presentations at business meetings. People who need to download photo or video and work on it or upload it when away from the office.
Absolutely. If you're serious about photography the screen is justification enough. The thinner design and lighter weight are just icing on the cake, it definitely helps when you're out on the go a lot.
Agree. If I had a 2015 MBP, I'd keep it too...and I have a new 15" 2016. Replaced a 2012 MBA 13". If making a big leap like that, I did consider the 2015 15", but wanted the lighter weight, the future USB-C/TB3 connections, the P3 screen, et al. I figured if I'm jumping up, may as well go all in. I tend to keep Macs in personal use for 3-5 years and then hand them down to the family.
My wife now has my 2012 MBA and it's working great for her. My 9 year old son now has her handed down 2010 13" MBP (with a new SSD 128G I installed earlier this year). My old 2008 24" iMac he was using (and taking up too much desk space for him and homework) will probably become my file server / connection for external network backups always on (connecting 12TB of disks). Will sell my 2012 mini i7 as I can pull some good cash for it to help offset the 2016 15" 🙂
That's me. But we tend to keep almost all files in our corp area on shared drives, etc., so VPN is all I need and I have the files. I can't recall the last time anyone handed me a USB thumbdrive. Our IT security guys (I work in IT, not security though) frown on the USB thumb drives big time. Even vendors, they tend to send their files via email. The ONE dongle I will need is one that has analog video for those ancient projectors that don't do HDMI (I have a small HooToo hub that does that).
jackoatmon
macrumors 6502a
I don't buy that presentation argument. The IT guys always have the connectors for everything wherever you go. And like 12 seconds after this machine comes out every office on the planet will get the cables in.
Transferring footage – I guess so.
It just seems like the dongle thing is people grasping at straws. You've always needed random little things to go with computers. Like, get over it. I/O has been in constant flux since before the floppy disk.
Um, I agree for almost all...BUT USB-C is so new they may not have those adapters readily available yet. Especially if they are a Windows based shop like where I'm from. They're still rockin' PC's with analog video connections (the old blue connector for you non-Win people) and CD drives, LOL! I'm the outsider Mac guy, so I'm on my own. LOL.
I have watched the entire video, and as much as she mentions that there are other more "Pro" computers in your terms, she isn't not moving to the 2016 MBP not because it isn't sufficiently "Pro", but its just not a leap enough to justify the upgrade. It's still a great "Pro" computer. As many mentioned here, performance wise, it's a step up in many dimensions (CPU, GPU, SSD, screen etc.). So it's just not a big enough upgrade, and not that it isn't "Pro" enough, whatever YOU deem is what the "Pro" in Macbook Pro means.
protoxx
macrumors 6502a
But you look more prepared and professional if you just whip out the needed connector yourself instead of having your customer/host go run down the it guy to come up with a cable. Do you think they all have usb-c connectors yet? If they don't what happens? You look unprepared and unprofessional.
Sorry if you fail to understand how games performance highlights a systems overall power, as I stated above, and you also both show your complete short sightedness and narrow stereotyping of the Mac by claiming 'who buys a Mac to play games'...
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As she's proved in the video it isn't a step up in performance really from last years model, and why do you keep on about what I deem as Pro, all I've done is revert to what Lisa said in the video, stop attempting to detract from that.
WhiteWhaleHolyGrail
macrumors 6502a
Except it doesn't show that does it? Did you hear at any point Apple (Tim Cook or otherwise) touting the MBP for gaming? No. You heard about its application for design software or editing because that is what the system was designed for. You can complain all day about this but it's simply not the machine for your gaming needs. Square peg round hole my friend?
I'm not complaining, just stating facts to narrow closed minded people who clearly lack knowledge about Macs and it's gaming community.
Or do you act like that because it suits your argument or because Apples marketing told you to?
WhiteWhaleHolyGrail
macrumors 6502a
Why are you failing to understand that the MBPs have never had a focus on gaming or been about building in the most powerful GPUs available? Gaming doesn't highlight a system's overall power either, it highlights the power of the GPU first and foremost.
Anyone who's serious about gaming nowadays (and even in the past) shouldn't even consider buying a Mac and for good reason.
skids929
macrumors 6502a
This was one of her worst reviews actually..Normally I like her but she lost credibility with me on this one. Never mentions battery life and complains about an awesome keyboard she's likely not given enough of a chance and misses an opportunity to mention the TB is customizable when she talks about collapsing the basic functions. To me this one fell short of what people need to know.
jackoatmon
macrumors 6502a
the general rule seems to be: those who hate it are owners of the '15 model, not ready to upgrade for another 2 or 3 years, and trying to convince themselves not to be jealous
Ulenspiegel
macrumors 68040
@apolloa
Thank you for sharing the video. I like Lisa's reviews.
In my opinion, it was an objective evaluation, like the one of the 13".
Thank you for sharing the video. I like Lisa's reviews.
In my opinion, it was an objective evaluation, like the one of the 13".
Wildkraut
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Since she tested the unit with the 450 dGPU, what performance improvement on the graphic tests should be expected with the 455 or 460 dGPU?
No they aren't. I don't have a single USB-C peripheral. The fact that I need to buy and use the USB-C to USB-A adapter makes this laptop strictly worse. A dongle within a dongle. We must go deeper.
I do use my DSLR and this means copying photos from the SD card. I have other things with SD cards too. At the moment I can just insert these into my Air and it works fine. Honestly I don't want to buy another adapter for the new Macbook. If I were to buy this Macbook Pro, I'd just give up on this functionality altogether and use only my desktop machine. I can't be bothered with more dongles. This is strictly worse than the previous laptops.
The trackpad in my opinion is impractically large. Larger is not always better. It's like doubling the size of the door handles on your car. Unnecessary, impractical and rather weird. I don't want to rest my hands on the trackpad when typing. And as we can see, this is causing all sorts of problems as the palm rejection stuff has bad interactions with drag and drop and gestures.
A hardware Esc button is just strictly better than a capacitive, drawn one. So it's not better in this regard. Actually I think the touchbar is completely unnecessary.
The keyboard is worse. I tried the keyboard of the 12" Macbook and it's a disaster. It's almost universally hated, and the Macbook Pro one is slightly better than the worst laptop keyboard.
The integrated graphics on the new 15" isn't better than the old one. It's a lot worse in fact.
Not having MagSafe is worse. I really liked MagSafe and it saved my laptop from falls several times.
The price is also far worse.
So it's not better in every department. It's better in some departments (SSD, thinness, display, fingerprint sensor). Overall this machine is a heavy compromise, and its primary purchase reason is that it runs OSX, and people have no choice.
Imagine that you would be free to run OSX on other laptops, like the XPS. Nobody in the right mind would even look at this Macbook Pro, at the price Apple is selling it. That says it all.
MH01
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Not in my experience. I was running around the office today looking for dongles for a 2015 model. Not many offices have unlimited budgets to have these lying around .
If you factor in dongles for each laptop , it's another 10-15% markup per laptop, that's a huge amount for a large office .
If you are a startup ....fine, but not a large company
dapork
macrumors regular
I also think the dongle complaint is exaggerated. You can get one hub that has USB, an SD card slot and other. Still, people keep showing bags full of dongles that they'll supposedly have to carry with them. I'm not into photography so I've never used an SD card slot. I'll probably only get one USB-USB-C plug. I don't really need to plug into regular USB items at the same time. IF USB-C picks up it'll prove really convenient in years to come. Being able to charge from both sides is convenient as well.
As for the gaming, I've always used Mac but I never bought it specifically for gaming. I just like playing games some times, so I would've liked a better graphics card. Maybe it was a misstep though, since I've noticed that a lot of people happen to use Mac and also like games. I can understand them not using it though. They had other concerns. The weight and size is really nice. It seems like their main concern was being able to power external monitors. Doesn't apply to me. I just use Macs because I always have, like them more and use Logic Pro for music. I won't be able to play the newest games in highest graphics settings but I'm sure I'll find something. I've been been using a 2009 Macbook for several years and was able to find some nice games.
Sure a the 2015 model would be more convenient, but since I am going to upgrade from an old Macbook I'd rather buy a dongle and take advantage of what the new model has to offer. The touch bar does seem like it will be useful. I can't wait to see what Logic does with it. The huge track pad I'm not so sure about, but I haven't seen many people complaining about it.
As for the gaming, I've always used Mac but I never bought it specifically for gaming. I just like playing games some times, so I would've liked a better graphics card. Maybe it was a misstep though, since I've noticed that a lot of people happen to use Mac and also like games. I can understand them not using it though. They had other concerns. The weight and size is really nice. It seems like their main concern was being able to power external monitors. Doesn't apply to me. I just use Macs because I always have, like them more and use Logic Pro for music. I won't be able to play the newest games in highest graphics settings but I'm sure I'll find something. I've been been using a 2009 Macbook for several years and was able to find some nice games.
Sure a the 2015 model would be more convenient, but since I am going to upgrade from an old Macbook I'd rather buy a dongle and take advantage of what the new model has to offer. The touch bar does seem like it will be useful. I can't wait to see what Logic does with it. The huge track pad I'm not so sure about, but I haven't seen many people complaining about it.
What are you talking about? Did you purchase one of the new machines? You want her to validate your purchase? The keyboard is not awesome, it sounds terrible and only a few people are actually enjoying the newer keyboard over the old one. Everyone was okay with the older keyboard.
It was a really good review. It is not a worthwhile upgrade especially after waiting so long. The new machines aren't worth it for anyone who has the last generation mbp. And for those who do not have the last gen mbps then it is simply rational to purchase last gens model refurbished or something and save a ton of money.
But hey, modern economies thrive on misinformed consumers making irrational choices so it isn't a surprise that people are still buying them.