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MobileMe's Push Services Detailed, No Mac to Mobile Me 'Push'
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You might want to read a little bit before going on your little tirades...
Push and syncing services are working as advertised for everyone I know using MM, albeit with spotty performance as Apple is clearly struggling to keep up.
Really not a big deal, its coming online to 100% very quickly. (just not instantly 3 days ago as everyone DEMANDS).
Nice accurate assessment of how the current situation is working..
However I do not believe this simple and frustrating loophole is how Apple intends for this to continue working. I believe we should expect another MobileMe updater very soon to clean up the old .Mac syncing prefs a little more.
It is still very confusing for anyone who has never used it before, as it does not visually correspond to what you see logged in at me.com. (Heck, it barely made sense when it was still .mac)
I was wondering who'd be the first to pull up a packet sniffer. I didn't have a good one handy.
So, I have a NAT-PMP enabled router (Airport Extreme). In theory I shouldn't have to open 5353 to get push from Me->Mac to work. Mine doesn't, of course.
I guess I'll open up the port tonight to test.
15 min for Leo 60 min for tiger
if you look at the kb it says 15 min syncs for Leo but a whopping 1 hour for tiger !!
if you look at the kb it says 15 min syncs for Leo but a whopping 1 hour for tiger !!
Opening that port up for me made it work as it was originally advertised. I made two calender events in me.com, got the change notification on my laptop to sync. Then updated them again in me.com and got another change notification. Then deleted the events from iCal and they were gone from me.com. I did all of those changes within a 5 minute timespan, so I know it wasn't polling the changes.
The only quirk with iCal was that I had to close it and reopen it to get it to display the events that were synced.
Well I'll test this when I get home. Though the question remains about NAT-PMP routers (uPNP)... why it isn't working for some of us. At the very least the iCal updates I make locally should still push to Me, but they don't. The sync timer has to run down. This wouldn't matter as far as the router/firewall goes, AFAIK. Assuming you aren't blocking UDP traffic out.
Edit: For those wanting a faster sync check out this article: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20080713174705717 ! Until Apple fixes the push/pull for good this is probably not terribly bad. Though dropping it down to a 1 minute sync will really mash on Apple's servers if a bunch of folks do it.
*Solution!* (i.e., Workaround)
I haven't tried this, yet, but the guys at macosxhints have a pretty good reputation, so I'm passing this along:
Increase frequency of Mac to MobilMe/iPhone sync:
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20080713174705717
I haven't tried this, yet, but the guys at macosxhints have a pretty good reputation, so I'm passing this along:
Increase frequency of Mac to MobilMe/iPhone sync:
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20080713174705717
Apple has NOT published the spec... P-IMAP does NOT rest on top of IDLE. P-IMAP is a totally different spec. The iPhone does NOT support IMAP IDLE, Mail on Mac OS X does. Most decent IMAP services have support for IDLE... I don't see why they'd cut out IDLE support of the iPhone version of Mail unless they're simply trying to sell MM accounts by not supporting industry-standard push and instead forcing people to sign up for an idiot@me.com account.
So now you have to be tech-savvy and dive into router settings or edit .plist files just to get SOME resemblence of how MobileMe should work? This is getting better all the time!
Apple releases an official statement regarding 1 million sold iPhones but can't say a word about what is going on with their services. Pathetic. Me thinks Steve is desperate with the stock issue still going on and his impending departure from Apple (it will happen sooner rather than later). Get the cash and run.
Apple releases an official statement regarding 1 million sold iPhones but can't say a word about what is going on with their services. Pathetic. Me thinks Steve is desperate with the stock issue still going on and his impending departure from Apple (it will happen sooner rather than later). Get the cash and run.
Yes. I know. I've read the thread have you? However there are folks that seem to edit iCal and have it 'instantaneously' pop up on MobileMe. And no, they just didnt have good timing right before a sync.
Question About MobileME
If you look at an email on your iPhone (not your MobileME account, but say a Gmail account) should the push functionality then show the message as already having been read in MacMail on the computer?
If you look at an email on your iPhone (not your MobileME account, but say a Gmail account) should the push functionality then show the message as already having been read in MacMail on the computer?
Apple mention on the site:
That said, the graphic above is misleading, and the constant mention of push everything misleads the issue further. This is quite troubling - it looks like Apple couldn't care less about MobileMe.
- iPhoto, iWeb...etc haven't been updated to reference MM
- The web apps are pretty slow
- iDisk graphic was made by a toddler
- Don't bother to keep pricing competitive
Apple need to sort this out badly. They are my OEM of choice because of quality products. MobileMe isn't a quality product. The iPhone 3G and 2.0 firmware seem also to be suffering in quality from what I've read (haven't tried it yet. Get back to the UK in a couple weeks).
No doubt push will come with Snow Leopard, since it also has exchange support. My reasoning for Apple omitting this, is that the bundled applications such as iCal were not designed for push, and adding it would require major changes, which are happening in SL. It's probably just an excuse, though.
Apple need to sort these issues out. They need to update MobileMe to take advantage of more/more powerful servers and make sure they have enough bandwidth, along with changing the iDisk icon and updating the iLife apps. Add Mac -> MM push, if possible. Then they need to spend a lot more time working on the iPhone firmware - debugging it and trying to make those battery life claims realistic. A few more Apple applications on the App Store would be nice as an apology, as well.
That said, the graphic above is misleading, and the constant mention of push everything misleads the issue further. This is quite troubling - it looks like Apple couldn't care less about MobileMe.
- iPhoto, iWeb...etc haven't been updated to reference MM
- The web apps are pretty slow
- iDisk graphic was made by a toddler
- Don't bother to keep pricing competitive
Apple need to sort this out badly. They are my OEM of choice because of quality products. MobileMe isn't a quality product. The iPhone 3G and 2.0 firmware seem also to be suffering in quality from what I've read (haven't tried it yet. Get back to the UK in a couple weeks).
No doubt push will come with Snow Leopard, since it also has exchange support. My reasoning for Apple omitting this, is that the bundled applications such as iCal were not designed for push, and adding it would require major changes, which are happening in SL. It's probably just an excuse, though.
Apple need to sort these issues out. They need to update MobileMe to take advantage of more/more powerful servers and make sure they have enough bandwidth, along with changing the iDisk icon and updating the iLife apps. Add Mac -> MM push, if possible. Then they need to spend a lot more time working on the iPhone firmware - debugging it and trying to make those battery life claims realistic. A few more Apple applications on the App Store would be nice as an apology, as well.
mobile me migration
the mobileme migration page clearly states:
Changes you make to your contacts, calendars, and bookmarks on your computers are synced with MobileMe every 15 minutes, then are pushed to your iPhone or iPod touch.
http://www.apple.com/mobileme/migrating/
Is this a new addition?
the mobileme migration page clearly states:
Changes you make to your contacts, calendars, and bookmarks on your computers are synced with MobileMe every 15 minutes, then are pushed to your iPhone or iPod touch.
http://www.apple.com/mobileme/migrating/
Is this a new addition?
Yes it is. AFAIK, it was added sometime over this past weekend.
EDIT: It was definitely just added. If you look at the Google cache of that same page dated July 8, there is no mention of the "every 15 minutes" portion.
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:dWusvasl2XEJ:www.apple.com/mobileme/migrating/+mobileme+migrating&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
I am going to say no. I subscribe to the holiday calendar and my churches calendar and the birthday calendar and none of it showed up on my iphone when i turned the cal sync on.
decieved
have to side with the people who are not happy with the way mobileMe has been advertised. I have been looking for a cheaper more elegant competitor to my current hosted exchange/blackberry model. was very excited that mobileMe would be "exchange for the rest of us" for only 99 bucks a year.
it is clear that it isn't. yes it is a huge leap forward for the average consumer who needs solid backup and consistency of data among devices. but for anything slightly business oriented or mission critical, it appears very disappointing.
the fact that a forum full of mac fanatics are having trouble finding where to set this or that preference, make calendar times stay in the same timezone, or figure out whether or not shared iDisk even exist is really telling.
flawless leader has really stepped in it. wish fakesteve was around to make it humorous
have to side with the people who are not happy with the way mobileMe has been advertised. I have been looking for a cheaper more elegant competitor to my current hosted exchange/blackberry model. was very excited that mobileMe would be "exchange for the rest of us" for only 99 bucks a year.
it is clear that it isn't. yes it is a huge leap forward for the average consumer who needs solid backup and consistency of data among devices. but for anything slightly business oriented or mission critical, it appears very disappointing.
the fact that a forum full of mac fanatics are having trouble finding where to set this or that preference, make calendar times stay in the same timezone, or figure out whether or not shared iDisk even exist is really telling.
flawless leader has really stepped in it. wish fakesteve was around to make it humorous
My old ical published on the web would update instantaneously. It was set to publish "automatically." You wouldn't be done typing the event and an "untitled event" would be on your public calendar.
That calendar now doesn't work. I'm still publishing it, but apparently there's a 250k size limit. I have iCal for the last 10 years keeping track of all my work. I don't want to delete it all just yet.
Apple is quiet. They're working on it. Typically when they're embarrassed like this and keep their mouth shut, it means they have a fix on the way. They'd rather just announce it's fixed instead of announce it's broken and not fixed.
We've all messed around with every setting so much now that when a fix comes out it probably won't work properly.
The old system worked just as well for me. My mail stayed in sync every 5 minutes. That's not very long. iMap pretty much keeps everything synced anyway. It's just now I can get an email instantly on my iPhone. That's it. That's the only difference with mail. So now, I use my iPhone at home for mail since it is five minutes ahead of the desktop. My desktop mail is not push.
My old calendar was actually better at publishing. If I made a change, it published it right there. Not syncing mind you, but publishing. Now that doesn't work. It never published from the iPhone though. Syncing once in awhile was fine for the calendar since I couldn't add on the web. I was the only one using it, so the cal on my phone was usually the most up to date anyway.
I guess contacts are pretty much the same. I can't see why I'd be adding them on the net. And I rarely add them on the phone. But if I add them to the phone, they're with me anyway. The old plug and sync method pretty much covered this.
The big problem now is the lack of consistency. Mail gets pushed instantly one way and not another. This device is synced now for mail, but I'm waiting on an update from calendar, etc. It's a mess. Before it was very clear. iMap mail was perfect. You couldn't add to the web calendar. Your phone required a physical sync. There wasn't much confusion. The phone needed a cord to get your calendar and contacts back and forth. Now, you just don't know if a contact update has happened or not. Did it push to the cloud? Maybe. Did I sync it already. Don't remember. I know I'll compare the two. Wait, which phone number is the new one.... CRAP CRAP CRAP
I read on Apple's site (kb maybe?) that this is not supported. You have to subscribe, export as a calendar and import. Of course it's now just a calendar and not an interactive subscription.
I am shocked that Apple has changed their sites to cover up their service flaws.
I really am speechless:
"Choose a sync interval for your Mac or PC. On your iPhone and the web, sync happens continuously."
The worst part is that it makes me feel we will never see this improve (or at least not before Snow Leopard or 10.7, where it will become the best ever new feature).
This whole mess has topped off the pile of disasters that MobileMe is.