Sidebar Sidebar
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

MobileMe's Push Services Detailed, No Mac to Mobile Me 'Push'

CWallace said:
Before MobileMe, how did you folks sync .Mac, whether it was 10 seconds or 10 hours after you updated something?

You pushed the Sync button.

Ok, so now MobileMe does it for you in most situations. Is it so hard to keep doing it like before for the few situations it still (as yet) not do so?
Click to expand...

Actually, I cancelled .mac because I felt it lacked so many little things that it became a pain to use.

I think MobileMe may go the same way.

As for "Most situations", that's totally wrong. My main usage of MobileMe is to sync things between my Mac and Windows installations or to me.com.

Rarely will I put something on me.com and then let it sync back down.

I just can't believe that a company that makes iCal and Address Book is unable to get them to force a sync when a change is made. It just seems like the easiest task in the world.
 
CWallace said:
Before MobileMe, how did you folks sync .Mac, whether it was 10 seconds or 10 hours after you updated something?

You pushed the Sync button.

Ok, so now MobileMe does it for you in most situations. Is it so hard to keep doing it like before for the few situations it still (as yet) not do so?
Click to expand...

I understand your point, fully. However I think the point of those upset with it, is that it was advertised as "push" whether implicitly or overtly and it doesn't deliver. In fact, it feels somewhat deceptive.

Yes, we can probably all wait a few minutes, or hit Sync manually, but the idea as sold to us was that we wouldn't.

And like a lot of people, I've updated my contacts and calendars, closed my laptop and rushed out the door. It would be nice if the service you're paying $110/year for (in Canada) would work as advertised, that's all.

And if it's not working the way we want, I agree that we don't have to buy it, but it should work the way it was implied it would work, at the WWDC keynote and on the website.

I hope we'll be seeing the 1.2 update within a couple of days - once they get every second iPhone 3G activated.
 
CWallace said:
Before MobileMe, how did you folks sync .Mac, whether it was 10 seconds or 10 hours after you updated something?

You pushed the Sync button.

Ok, so now MobileMe does it for you in most situations. Is it so hard to keep doing it like before for the few situations it still (as yet) not do so?
Click to expand...

Yes when they advertised it as "Exchange for the rest of us". They need to make clear on their product pages that it is not a full implementation of push and, if it is not meant to be so, that there is a bug currently preventing Macs from syncing correctly. I've already been out shortly after updating some information and not realised that it hasn't "pushed" to my iPhone and it needs to be made clear before you pay your £59 ($99) that this is the case. :mad:
 
arn said:
Then something is wrong for your config. This is how it should work. see:

http://massoh.com/chris/push.mov

Updates on Me.com triggers a Mac sync. At least on Leopard. Tiger or Windows may not do this. I haven't heard one way or the other, but the knowledgebase article linked in the original post suggests its Leopard only.

arn
Click to expand...

Hi Arn,

thanks for the movie. It definitely doesn't work like this for me. I have MobileMe configured in the system prefs and set it to automatic update. I thought thats the way how it should work.

Maybe its just still a problem with their servers and it will work like this for eventually.
 
We have been scammed. Simple.

Apple have lied to their customers and falsely advertised the service that is "Exchange for the rest of us"..

How sad.
 
Daveoc64 said:
That's one aspect of the site.

If one page said "MobileMe kills your family" that would be ok because the guided tour doesn't say that?

Not in my country.
Click to expand...

I said that nowhere in Phil Schiller's keynote or on the site (video) did it say "instantaneously."

You said "not everyone watches keynotes."

So I posted a link to the "how to" MobileMe video.

Then I get the nonsensical crap above.

I see we're not really having a discussion, are we?
 
Daveoc64 said:
That all seems correct. iPod touch and iPhone genuinely "push" data up to the service, this is instantly applied to the site. Your 10.5 Mac did a sync because it was in sleep mode and your 10.4 system did a sync on schedule.
Click to expand...

Yeah, seems logical. The primary reason I posted was because of the question of whether or not MobileMe will push to Tiger.
 
Feverish Flux said:
I said that nowhere in Phil Schiller's keynote or on the site (video) did it say "instantaneously."

You said "not everyone watches keynotes."

So I posted a link to the "how to" MobileMe video.

Then I get the nonsensical crap above.

I see we're not really having a discussion, are we?
Click to expand...

You're right about it not saying that anywhere... but again I think it was very clearly implied.
 
I'm pretty sure they'd get a lot more complaints if it worked the way you all want. Push from iPhone happens when you are using iPhone therefore using iPhone battery is appropriate.

Push from Mac to iPhone uses power on the iPhone when you are NOT using the iPhone. Therefore it should be more conservative.

I can (and often do) make hundreds of changes on my Mac in a period of 15 minutes. I sure don't want each one separately pushed to my iPhone.

Also, if I am sitting and using my Mac, I really don't care if my iPhone is up to date at that moment. I care if my iPhone is up to date after I stop using my Mac.

So if it doesn't sync before sleep or shutdown, then THAT is a problem and needs to be fixed. Other than that, this seems like the correct solution.

There may need to be an exception for pushing changes to my iCal onto someone else's iPhone.
 
xix said:
It's not "push" if you have to initiate the sync. Bad show, Apple. Bad show.
Click to expand...

Actually it is push. The key is that you don't have to tell the other devices to fetch. Your devices will update automatically because the data is being pushed to them.
 
Feverish Flux said:
I said that nowhere in Phil Schiller's keynote or on the site (video) did it say "instantaneously."

You said "not everyone watches keynotes."

So I posted a link to the "how to" MobileMe video.

Then I get the nonsensical crap above.

I see we're not really having a discussion, are we?
Click to expand...

Right, so everyone's supposed to have an English degree and analyse a keynote or an advertising video then :rolleyes:

When there is a statement describing MobileMe as "Exchange for the rest of us" or emphasising "push" I'd expect it to behave as such. That is not the case and people are rightly furious and you know you cannot rely on MobileMe to synchronise your data all the time, as you need it.
 
Chumkiu said:
We have been scammed. Simple.

Apple have lied to their customers and falsely advertised the service that is "Exchange for the rest of us"..

How sad.
Click to expand...

I don't think we've been scammed at all. When I make a change on Me.com, the information is updated on my iPhone and iCal in 5-7 seconds. When I make a change on my iPhone, the information is updated on Me.com and iCal in 5-7 seconds.

When I make a change on iCal, the information is updated on my iPhone and Me.com in 5-7 seconds if I hit "sync now". If I don't hit sync, it updates in less than 15 minutes.

Doesn't sound like a scam to me, and it's working wonderfully. Remember, the concept of push is largely a mobile one, and any changes I make on my iPhone are nearly instantaneously changed on Me.com and on my Mac.
 
Feverish Flux said:
I said that nowhere in Phil Schiller's keynote or on the site (video) did it say "instantaneously."

You said "not everyone watches keynotes."

So I posted a link to the "how to" MobileMe video.

Then I get the nonsensical crap above.

I see we're not really having a discussion, are we?
Click to expand...

You ignored the previous post (AND SCREENSHOT!!!) showing:

"When you make a change on one device, the cloud updates the others. Push happens automatically, instantly, and continuously. You don’t have to wait for it or remember to do anything — such as docking your iPhone and syncing manually — to stay up to date."


Note: automatically, instantly and continuously.
also note: You don't have to wait for it or remember to do anything.

From that we can see:

1) Sync SHOULD happen automatically to/from all devices.
2) We SHOULD NOT have to "wait for it or remember to do anything.... syncing manually".

I don't think 15 minutes is "instant" I'd accept a few minutes or even a short delay after the sync.

Edit: Should add the link in http://www.apple.com/mobileme/features/
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_0 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5A347 Safari/525.20)

don't you all remember Steve standing on stage and waiting for 15 minutes while his update sync'd? Yeah me neither.
 
I too am seeing erratic MobileMe - iPhone - Mac syncing with regard to Calendar. Using Leopard 10.5.4 on two Macs and iPhone 2.0 on the older phone. Calender has consistently failed to update across the platforms since Saturday. On Sat. (7/12), Calendar on MobileMe did send a ToDo to my Email but Calendar changes on the Macs and iPhone were unchanged. I also recieved numerous Calender errors on MobileMe when trying to make changes today (7/13) and yesterday.

What's up with not having Alarms in Calendar for MobileMe? If I am in a Cafe, or at work online and want to make a calender event (or change) online and have it remind me, say via an Email, I have no options? The functionality should be equivalent. That is just POOR. I would have to set a reminder alarm/event on a Mac somewhere later to do this? Quite an oversight that. Should I want my iPhone to alarm when the event is near, I have to hope it is pushed to the phone and then set an alarm???

So I have to create a TO DO to create an alarm event later? Whoa!

Not sayin, just sayin.

~S
 
anthonyjr said:
If the iPhone is able to push calendar/contact changes to MobileMe, then its possible for their operating system to do the same. So, I'm sure these programs will be updated soon enough. Apple has been busy with a ton of things associated with the launch; there's no way they will let this slide for too long without a fix. Tuesday? =]

Overall, MobileMe is working out very well for me. I'm usually sitting on the computer for more than 15 minutes after I make any iCal changes anyway.
Click to expand...

even if you are usually sitting for an our. besides the point. people are paying for the service. and it should work. eve if apple had so much to do with the launch and everything, they had the time.
and about fixing it later, why did they release without this "feature"? i thought "release and fix" was a MS protocol.!!
 
ItsGavinC said:
Remember, the concept of push is largely a mobile one, and any changes I make on my iPhone are nearly instantaneously changed on Me.com and on my Mac.
Click to expand...

No they're not because you need to press a button (and remember it!) for that to be the case. You can do the same with POP3 or IMAP but that doesn't make them a good service or anywhere near the "push" implementation that was implied in the keynote and the product pages.
 
I think some people need to get a sense of perspective about this: MobileMe is a service designed to make life a little more convenient and it mostly achieves this with a single exception that will no doubt be addressed at a future date. If you don't like the service, don't use it!
We live in a world where millions of people sleep rough every night because they can't afford housing, where millions are denied access to proper healthcare and even clean water, where people are killed in wars that rage around the planet and people are up in arms about a minor flaw in a piece of software. Sad, really...
 
After trying to get this to work, with no success, I decided that I'd restore my iPod Touch and set it up on a 'vanilla' system and see what happened. For me at the moment....it's working perfectly. Whether or not what I did had this affect....who knows...but this is what I did!

1) Synced MacBook to MobileMe
2) Checked data on both MobileMe and MacBook
3) Plugged in iPod and turned off all syncing through iTunes
4) Restored iPod
5) Installed 2.0 software
6) Set up iPod as a new unit (I did not use a backup)
7) Went into settings on the iPod and set up a new MobileMe account.
8) Turned on the 'Push' functions on the iPod and let it sync
9) Checked data to ensure it matched
10) Opened beer (this is optional)

Any changes I make on my iPod appear on both MobileMe and my MacBook within 15 seconds
Any changes I make on MobileMe appear on my iPod and MacBook within 15 seconds
Any changes I make on my MacBook appear on my iPod and MobileMe with 15 seconds

Whether I'm lucky, MobileMe has finally starting working properly or something I did has resulted in this gain of function is yet to be determined....but I thought I'd share my experience.
 
Stephen123 said:
I'm pretty sure they'd get a lot more complaints if it worked the way you all want. Push from iPhone happens when you are using iPhone therefore using iPhone battery is appropriate.

Push from Mac to iPhone uses power on the iPhone when you are NOT using the iPhone. Therefore it should be more conservative.

I can (and often do) make hundreds of changes on my Mac in a period of 15 minutes. I sure don't want each one separately pushed to my iPhone.

Also, if I am sitting and using my Mac, I really don't care if my iPhone is up to date at that moment. I care if my iPhone is up to date after I stop using my Mac.

So if it doesn't sync before sleep or shutdown, then THAT is a problem and needs to be fixed. Other than that, this seems like the correct solution.

There may need to be an exception for pushing changes to my iCal onto someone else's iPhone.
Click to expand...

I suppose that's a possibility, but I don't see why the same couldn't be said about me.com.

You could easily sit at me.com and make loads of changes.

More options for MobileMe would help solve this anyway - you could choose more closely how things sync - "Instantly", "Every 2, 3, 4 etc. minutes".
 
BillyBobBongo said:
After trying to get this to work, with no success, I decided that I'd restore my iPod Touch and set it up on a 'vanilla' system and see what happened. For me at the moment....it's working perfectly. Whether or not what I did had this affect....who knows...but this is what I did!

1) Synced MacBook to MobileMe
2) Checked data on both MobileMe and MacBook
3) Plugged in iPod and turned off all syncing through iTunes
4) Restored iPod
5) Installed 2.0 software
6) Set up iPod as a new unit (I did not use a backup)
7) Went into settings on the iPod and set up a new MobileMe account.
8) Turned on the 'Push' functions on the iPod and let it sync
9) Checked data to ensure it matched
10) Opened beer (this is optional)

Any changes I make on my iPod appear on both MobileMe and my MacBook within 15 seconds
Any changes I make on MobileMe appear on my iPod and MacBook within 15 seconds
Any changes I make on my MacBook appear on my iPod and MobileMe with 15 seconds

Whether I'm lucky, MobileMe has finally starting working properly or something I did has resulted in this gain of function is yet to be determined....but I thought I'd share my experience.
Click to expand...
Hmm, that's strange.

Your MacBook shouldn't be syncing that quickly.
 
the only weird thing i've noticed is that if i delete a message on my iphone and then login to me.com online, the messages are still in my inbox...anyone else having this issue?
 
Typical Apple. It's working as expected until they fix and then it'll be the best thing since sliced bread. This sort of thing, while minor, is just one more among the many many drops on Apples part since they started becoming more popular.

At the moment I like my MBP and v1 iPhone. I'll re-evaluate a year from now when it's time to upgrade.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Top Bottom
Back