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MobileMe's Push Services Detailed, No Mac to Mobile Me 'Push'

Phil A. said:
I think some people need to get a sense of perspective about this: MobileMe is a service designed to make life a little more convenient and it mostly achieves this with a single exception that will no doubt be addressed at a future date. If you don't like the service, don't use it!
We live in a world where millions of people sleep rough every night because they can't afford housing, where millions are denied access to proper healthcare and even clean water, where people are killed in wars that rage around the planet and people are up in arms about a minor flaw in a piece of software. Sad, really...
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All those things are important.

But Apple isn't a housing, water, health, food company or peace force.

It's a Computing Company. It should be able to serve its customer's needs.

If my local water company wants to try push Calendar, they're more than welcome.
 
That's not the least of the MobileMe/Push issues.

iPhones apparently only allow one MobileMe email account to be Push. Sub-accounts or e-mail only accounts only provide an option for Fetch or Manual.

That is a bigger deal to me than the 15 minute lag time from Mac to MobileMe (though that should be fixed too).

And the unannounced removal of the iDisk sharing function -- total BS.
 
I am sure that if it had been easy to accomplish everything everybody is asking for, it would have been done already. The problem with using bleeding edge technology is that while you get a lot of features others don't have, you also get some that don't work as well as you would like them to. Apple is new to the cell phone market, and also runs a computer, music, and software company as well. So, while they haven't perfectly tied all of these things together yet, I can't think of another company that offers the same products or service.

Unfortunately, it's just a fact of life when it comes to wanting to use the very latest of everything, and there being a huge demand for it. At least you can be confident that the problems are being worked on, more confident than companies who have little to gain and were doing nothing to significantly advance the integration of multiple products and services.
 
As I have said - I hope Apple fixes this to make it reasonable because MobileMe is a great idea ruined by unreliability.

Arn - thanks for the vid., but mine doesn't work that fast at all.
 
Phil A. said:
I think some people need to get a sense of perspective about this: MobileMe is a service designed to make life a little more convenient and it mostly achieves this with a single exception that will no doubt be addressed at a future date. If you don't like the service, don't use it!
We live in a world where millions of people sleep rough every night because they can't afford housing, where millions are denied access to proper healthcare and even clean water, where people are killed in wars that rage around the planet and people are up in arms about a minor flaw in a piece of software. Sad, really...
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In that case, even if your Mac didn't turn on it would be fine since people are starving. No one is saying their life is over, this is a Mac site.
 
Xtremehkr said:
I am sure that if it had been easy to accomplish everything everybody is asking for, it would have been done already. The problem with using bleeding edge technology is that while you get a lot of features others don't have, you also get some that don't work as well as you would like them to. Apple is new to the cell phone market, and also runs a computer, music, and software company as well. So, while they haven't perfectly tied all of these things together yet, I can't think of another company that offers the same products or service.

Unfortunately, it's just a fact of life when it comes to wanting to use the very latest of everything, and there being a huge demand for it. At least you can be confident that the problems are being worked on, more confident than companies who have little to gain and were doing nothing to significantly advance the integration of multiple products and services.
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But that's the thing, it's shouldn't be that difficult!

It's a lot harder to make a web service communicate updates to a device such as a computer or iPod without using up a lot of bandwidth and draining battery. Apple has actually done this VERY well!

Making iCal tell the Sync program that you've changed a calendar entry should be one of the simplest things to program.

If you can't do that, how about when you close iCal it syncs?

This is where Apple has fallen down, they've managed to fly to mars before walking to their Neighbour's house.
 
Daveoc64 said:
All those things are important.

But Apple isn't a housing, water, health, food company or peace force.

It's a Computing Company. It should be able to serve its customers.

If my local water company wants to try push Calendar, they're more than welcome.
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As I'm sure they will: In typical Apple fashion, they won't acknowledge it as being a fault until they've fixed it: It just needs an update to iCal and Address Book and things will be sorted. I don't know if they'll ever be able to do it on the PC side though as they don't control the PC calendar and address book apps.
 
avigalante said:
I can confirm that the 'push' service between the iPhone and Me.com are indeed working instantaneously; however, the back-end of syncing between my iPhone and Mac / Mac and MobileMe via MobileMe 'Cloud' seems to fit that 15-minute interval.

Although a non-issue for myself (as I am content with the Me.com to iPhone 'push' service), it does seem a bit odd that updates are not pushed instantaneously from my computer to the MobileMe 'Cloud'.

Am I mistaken in saying that Phil Schiller demoed this exact functionality at WWDC? I hope not... otherwise, it is a big misstep on Apple's part for touting and heavily marketing said functionality support.

EDIT: Come to think of it, I'm glad that I only paid $69 (promotional price for purchasing with iPhone 3G) as opposed to the full $99; I'd be quite annoyed to not have it sync back to the MobileMe 'Cloud' instantaneously (not 'automatically').
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just confirmed. saw that part of the keynote. he never mentions this! all he says is if you do it from the me.com web interface, it would update all your devices.!!
but it should have this functionality. from mac->me.com
 
Phil A. said:
As I'm sure they will: In typical Apple fashion, they won't acknowledge it as being a fault until they've fixed it: It just needs an update to iCal and Address Book and things will be sorted. I don't know if they'll ever be able to do it on the PC side though as they don't control the PC calendar and address book apps.
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I didn't really expect Windows support beyond "Sync every x minutes".

Apple didn't make Outlook, so I didn't expect them to change it.

iCal and Address Book are a bit different.

I suppose it'll be in Snow Leopard...
 
Another test just "because"...

Logged into MobileMe web interface at 4:12pm ET and added a work email address to one of the contacts in Address Book. Checked iPod touch a few seconds later and change was reflected there. Changed contact info arrived at 10.5 Mac within two minutes, and change showed up at 10.4 Mac within 4 minutes.

Your mileage may vary... :D
 
jackc said:
In that case, even if your Mac didn't turn on it would be fine since people are starving. No one is saying their life is over, this is a Mac site.
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The thing is, reading some of the more hysterical posts on here, you could be forgiven for thinking it was the end of the world for some posters! This is the issue my post was trying to highlight: Not people rightly posting and complaining when things don't work as they should, but people wringing their hands as if Apple had shot their mother...
 
localoid said:
Another test just "because"...

Logged into MobileMe web interface at 4:12pm ET and added a work email address to one of the contacts in Address Book. Checked iPod touch a few seconds later and change was reflected there. Changed contact info arrived at 10.5 Mac within two minutes, and change showed up at 10.4 Mac within 4 minutes.

Your mileage may vary... :D
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Nobody has doubted that functionality.

As long as the service is up at the time you do this, then your results are actually quite poor.

Changes from me.com>Mac should take less than 30 seconds.
 
Daveoc64 said:
But that's the thing, it's shouldn't be that difficult!

It's a lot harder to make a web service communicate updates to a device such as a computer or iPod without using up a lot of bandwidth and draining battery.

Making iCal tell the Sync program that you've changed a calendar entry should be one of the simplest things to program.

If you can't do that, how about when you close iCal it syncs?
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I think Apple is having some growing pains. In the last 10 years, they've grown significantly, and they've taken on many new challenges. With every new area of focus, you need people who can successfully execute these new challenges. Steven Jobs has talked about the challenges of finding quality engineers that can handle all of the new challenges they are taking on. Especially since Apple focuses so intensely on releasing high quality, leading edge products.

I think all of the problems will be ironed out, but I don't think it is laziness on the side of the programmers. If anything, they may be a little overwhelmed by the rate of progress the company is wanting to advance at.

A little patience isn't going to hurt anyone.
 
Daveoc64 said:
I didn't really expect Windows support beyond "Sync every x minutes".

Apple didn't make Outlook, so I didn't expect them to change it.

iCal and Address Book are a bit different.

I suppose it'll be in Snow Leopard...
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I think it'll be here sooner than that: as you've said, it's a pretty simple fix and I'd guess that Apple missed it out to hit their self imposed deadlines. I'd expect updates to iCal and Address Book within the next month or two
 
According to the Mobile Me home page, your data is "Always up to date", with a picture showing several Macs, a PC, and an iPhone all connected to the cloud. Clearly, under the way it currently works, all these devices are NOT "always up to date". If that's not false advertising, I don't know what would be. Fortunately people seem to be pissed off enough that I think they'll be forced to fix it.

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ical push dosen´t work with my itouch ... I followed all the set up instructions but in my settings on the touch it just dosen´t appear the same picture as on th description on the set up info web page .... it should appear a hole set of push on/off options for mail, cal , safari etc but in my device it only appears underneath push something like different time laps of manual sincr. ( si si I have all software updates )
Also by plugging to my Mac changes does appear ( like it always has been ) on ical but NOT in my me account .... i have to do it manually and then it tells me that something is wrong ...

Push ? where the hell is push gone .... Apple is doing something really wrong :mad:

Saludos

Franz
 
At this point, I'd be happy if push e-mail to my iPhone simply worked, but it still doesn't. It works fine on my wife's iPhone, but never has on mine. I've done all of the troubleshooting steps posted by Apple several times, but it does no good. Hopefully Apple will eventually get this service working properly. :rolleyes:
 
Yes, on the road you don't have time for such delays. You are multitasking, make changes and go. For the casual user, 10 or 15 minutes may be fine, but if Apple is going to matter in the corporate space (and it must), the push must be relatively seemless.

~S

I'm not sayin, just sayin,
 
Daveoc64 said:
Nobody has doubted that functionality.

As long as the service is up at the time you do this, then your results are actually quite poor.

Changes from me.com>Mac should take less than 30 seconds.
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Err, actually several people seem to doubt the functionality of Tiger. This question has been brought up in this thread and in several other threads here, i.e. "this might not work in Tiger -- no one knows".

As I said earlier in this thread, the reason I'm posting my examples is to report that everything I've tried does work in Tiger. I have other things to do. I'm not bored. :D
 
Daveoc64 said:
This is where Apple has fallen down, they've managed to fly to mars before walking to their Neighbour's house.
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Which is why this will almost certainly be fixed, and rather soon. I can see why people are upset, but this *will* get taken care of.
 
Pushing to Mail on mac.

I am getting Push to iPhone for all services. I get push to my mac from ical and address book but not mail. Mail waits 5 minutes before it fetches new mail. None of my stuff is pushed from my mac to me. Is anyone else getting mail.app to receive pushed mail from mobileme or are you all having it fetch?
 
I believe this is something iCal itself would address in its next update. A pref that says to push changes to Mobile Me immediately. Same with Address Book. I bet this will happen very soon indeed.

Meanwhile go to System Prefs and have it show sync status in the menu bar. Now you can make your changes, hit Sync Now in the menu bar, and your phone is immediately updated. Close up your laptop.
 
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