Monitors

[dusanv]

Any S-IPS will have a an excellent response. I game occasionally on the 3007WFP and I don't have any problems. I was severely annoyed at the PVA monitor I had before (for 2 days only before I returned it). These things are so slow in response that they have to use LCD "overdrive" (google it) which induces the input lag and still doesn't really fix the slow response completely. Plus there are pinkish hues on them looking at as little as 10 or 15 degrees off centre. To top it off, the particular model I had (Dell 2405FPW) had something wicked done to its CCFL, it was impossible to use in a dark room for too long. It'd literally start hurting my eyes even at lowest brighness.

If you use that 2405FPW in a well lit room, look directly at it (or don't notice the hue shifts), don't game and aren't annoyed at input lag, you'd be fine with it. Lots of people are.

PVA/MVA will be just as sharp as the S-IPS though. No problems there.

Also note that the 3007WFP built-in USB2 hub doesn't work with the Mac Pro. It won't let it sleep. Bummer. I think it's a bug with OS X. I haven't tried Leopard on the Mac Pro yet so I don't know whether it was fixed. Another small problem with the 3007WFP (don't know whether this is still the issue with the HC) is that left side of the monitor is slightly darker than the right (the CCFL is placed on the right with these monitors). But that doesn't annoy me.

Oh, you can call up Dell and ask for a deal. Worked for me 2 years ago (got $300 off).

Huh, that's all I can think of with regards to monitors right now.

 

[Topper]

Any S-IPS will have an excellent response. I game occasionally on the 3007WFP and I don't have any problems.

Thanks for the information.
I know nothing about LCD monitors so I started looking extensively for information on S-IPS monitors.
From what I've read, I'm not sure you are correct about "Any S-IPS will have an excellent response."
S-IPS monitors will give uncompromising color reproduction for professional image-editing applications but that has very little to do with response time.
For example, I found a list of monitors for gaming that have low (2ms) response times but they are not S-IPS monitors.
I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just not sure.

By the way, with the little information I have right now, I would probably buy an S-IPS monitor even
if it were not the absolute best for gaming.

 

[tribe3]

There is a lot of info about monitors on the web; just google "s-ips vs s-pva"

S-PVA are usually better for gaming cause its faster response time.

S-IPS are better for photo/graphics because of more accurate and consistent color reproduction. Also better viewing angle.

Bottom line is that if you're spending a small fortune on a Mac Pro and getting cheap on the monitor it's like having a lambo and fitting ACME tires

 

[dusanv]

Thanks for the information.
I know nothing about LCD monitors so I started looking extensively for information on S-IPS monitors.
From what I've read, I'm not sure you are correct about "Any S-IPS will have an excellent response."
S-IPS monitors will give uncompromising color reproduction for professional image-editing applications but that has very little to do with response time.
For example, I found a list of monitors for gaming that have low (2ms) response times but they are not S-IPS monitors.
I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just not sure.

By the way, with the little information I have right now, I would probably buy an S-IPS monitor even
if it were not the absolute best for gaming.

Those 2 ms monitors are TN, it's different technology. TN is quicker than S-IPS (and it's the gamers' choice) but S-IPS does fine too. The 3007WFP is about as big and slow as S-IPS get and I'm fine gaming with it whereas a smaller PVA monitor was way too slow for me. Here is a nice summary of monitor technologies and which monitors use what.

 

[Topper]

Those 2 ms monitors are TN, it's different technology. TN is quicker than S-IPS (and it's the gamers' choice) but S-IPS does fine too. The 3007WFP is about as big and slow as S-IPS get and I'm fine gaming with it whereas a smaller PVA monitor was way too slow for me. Here is a nice summary of monitor technologies and which monitors use what.

Very good, thank you.
I like the way they show the panel types with the monitors

 

[Check 6]

Again my thanks to everyone that has posted to my question. I think that I made a sound decision and am ordering a NEC 26 inch IPS monitor tomorrow. I will hook it to my macbook pro until either the new MacPro comes out or I give up ad get the current one before the end of the year. Thnks again and Happy Thanksgiving to all

 

[Lesser Evets]

I had a MDD Mac with two 17 or 19" monitors from the old days. Thought that was amazing. SO MUCH SPACE....

Then in June I got a new Mac Pro with a 30" and a 20". At first this 30" seemed like a cavern of space, and it was so large and unusual.

Buy the 30". You will adapt and love it. Now I fill it up and it has tons of space to function as a kind of dual monitor. My 20" is small now, and just used for video display while working, keeping images and control panels on. The 30" resolution is identical in size to any other monitor, like the 20", unless you go for a lower res. mode to unlarge text. But, you can COMMAND +/- to enlarge and decrease text on web pages and other programs if your sight blows.

 

[sblasl]

Just another thought about EIZO, the EIZO is calibrated at the hardware level making for a more accurate calibration than most of those mentioned here that are calibrated via software. EIZO includes the calibration application, all you need is the calibration device like a SpyderPro. Each monitor is individually calibrated before leaving the factory. Don't forget that the Apple displays have no real means to adjust the height and angle.

 

[ParishM]

the new Dell 30" HC model is absolutely awesome. it got excellent reviews by all the major tech guys. it now
comes with a built in memory card reader and 4 port USB hub plus now has 10-11 different input connections.
DVI, VGA, HDMI, S-video, Component, RCA, etc. and also has PIP

for the money it walks all over the severely outdated Apple 30"




P....

 

[jnc]

the new Dell 30" HC model is absolutely awesome. it got excellent reviews by all the major tech guys. it now
comes with a built in memory card reader and 4 port USB hub plus now has 10-11 different input connections.
DVI, VGA, HDMI, S-video, Component, RCA, etc. and also has PIP

for the money it walks all over the severely outdated Apple 30"

I am so hoping new Cinema Displays will have Component and HDMI. Apple promotes its tv in Retail Stores with Sony HDTVs which just looks odd. I'd love to have a 37" Cinema Display in my living room

 

[pprior]

So what happens if you have one of these high resolution 30" monitors and then you load up a game (saw BF2142) that runs at 1024x760 or maybe 1600x1200 tops due to the graphical performance limits of the video card?

Do you get a small window in the middle of the monitor? Does it get all stretched out and pixelated? What happens?

right now I've got 2 x 21" monitors - not so great for photoshop, but better for games. Thinking of a 30" but then thinking that games would be horrible.

 

[Topper]

I'd love to have a 37" Cinema Display in my living room

And I'd love to have your money

 

[Glen Quagmire]

Eizo > *

I've got the S2110W with my Mac Pro and it is miles better than any LCD I've ever come across. Sure, it's more expensive, but it's well worth it IMHO.

 

[jasonvp]

So what happens if you have one of these high resolution 30" monitors and then you load up a game (saw BF2142) that runs at 1024x760 or maybe 1600x1200 tops due to the graphical performance limits of the video card?

Do you get a small window in the middle of the monitor? Does it get all stretched out and pixelated? What happens?

That's up to the monitor. Generally it'll just display the 4x3 image with black bars on either side of it.

jas

 

[Eidorian]

So what happens if you have one of these high resolution 30" monitors and then you load up a game (saw BF2142) that runs at 1024x760 or maybe 1600x1200 tops due to the graphical performance limits of the video card?

Do you get a small window in the middle of the monitor? Does it get all stretched out and pixelated? What happens?

right now I've got 2 x 21" monitors - not so great for photoshop, but better for games. Thinking of a 30" but then thinking that games would be horrible.

I know that my 22" monitor has the options to stretch the image or have in 4:3 with black bars on either side.

 

[student_trap]

really feel the need to have a go at uk pricing now though...I like everyone else here am waiting for the new mac pros to come out, and along with many o9thers also, am waiting too for updated displays. all this talk of dell being cheap led me to look at their website, and im afraid that my conclusion is:

if you are from the uk, dont bother with dell because they are not much cheaper than apple (especially for me as i qualify for the higher education discount!). Just check out these two pages:

AMerican: $399 (£193)
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/...etail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-6095

UK: £401 ($824)
http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sn...ail.aspx?c=uk&l=en&s=dhs&cs=ukdhs1&sku=128238

Apple's 23" acd by contrast is £599, (or £528 with my discount), which is a definite step up, but i dont think that i could let myself play straight up twice the american retail for the same display...its just too much of a rip off!

 

[bigbossbmb]

the new Dell 30" HC model is absolutely awesome. it got excellent reviews by all the major tech guys. it now
comes with a built in memory card reader and 4 port USB hub plus now has 10-11 different input connections.
DVI, VGA, HDMI, S-video, Component, RCA, etc. and also has PIP

for the money it walks all over the severely outdated Apple 30"

The 3007-HC only DVI... the 24 and 20 inch models have the other connections. The leaked specs for the 3008 model (which hasn't been announced) has those connections.

There really isn't a reason to have those inputs on a 2560x1600. SD sources look terrible blown up to that size. If you are connecting that stuff to watch in a living room, get a 1080p tv... it'll be cheaper, bigger, and look much better.

 

[aneks]

Just another thought about EIZO, the EIZO is calibrated at the hardware level making for a more accurate calibration than most of those mentioned here that are calibrated via software. EIZO includes the calibration application, all you need is the calibration device like a SpyderPro. Each monitor is individually calibrated before leaving the factory. Don't forget that the Apple displays have no real means to adjust the height and angle.

I'll say it. I don't like Eizo monitors. I used to ! Thought they where great but now I am of a very different opinion. I work in film visual effects. In the studios I work at monitors are gods. You live and die on the quality of your images. On our main finishing systems we use Eizo monitors. We are finding that in order to get he best out of them in a caibrated working environment, we need to boost the gamma way up. Do this and they band, badly. We do a lot of super delicate colour work and trust me, we push our monitors and images a lot harder than most folks. Right now the favourite monitor in our facility is this :
http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Product/?product=1713e080-c8e3-4aab-9447-73dacb301b84

And we have them all Dell 24", 27" and 30"s, eizo, lacie, HP, Sony, Apple 23's 30's and everything in between.

 

[LeKiD]

Multimedia

Nobody answered about Multimedia... What happened to him? Can anyone talk?

 

[mojopixel]

get a Dell monitor, great screens and good value for money

 

[Big-TDI-Guy]

Nobody answered about Multimedia... What happened to him? Can anyone talk?

My best guess at this point is he snapped and made a youtube video about running over boxes of kittens or something.

Maybe he did do something to justify being banned - but none of the threads I've ever seen on him ever indicated inappropriate or lewd behavior. That is not to say, such thread may have been deleted because of content. (and never been widely seen)

 

[LeKiD]

Maybe he did do something to justify being banned - )

I guess he did actually with the "Pardon MM / Give him another chance" Signatures... I think you have to have done something kinda wrong!

 

[TimJim]

A little off topic, but configure it with the lowest amount of RAM (1gb i think) then buy more off a 3rd party site.