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Montevina (Or w/e) MBP's Video Card
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Probably, but I hope not. I'm still holding out hope for a 3850, but we have no idea if it runs cool enough or not.
Also, inb4 "NOT ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT THE STUPID MONTEVINA VIDEO CARD!!!!!!!!"
The 9700M is nearly twice the power draw of the current card.
9650M GS at BEST, 9600M GT most likely... or an ATI card with the same power draw as current.
I still don't think even Apple would stoop so low as putting a 9600M GT in a three thousand dollar 17" laptop. I mean it's possible but, the fabric of space time will take a beating.
Hopefully the redesigned cases will bring about better cooling, apparently the current cooling set up is pretty much unchanged since the PB G4? Even has cheapo thermal paste..
Hopefully the redesigned cases will bring about better cooling, apparently the current cooling set up is pretty much unchanged since the PB G4? Even has cheapo thermal paste..
Choosing the right graphics card is very important as mentioned before to balance the power draw from the power supply.
This problem reared it's ugly head for Lenovo with it's T61p's when they outfitted them with Nvidia Quadro FX570M. After months and months of lenovo technical team investigations they found out the card was causing the power to fluctuate for other devices while the GPU was under heavy stress like Video Games...
So the laptop would randomly shutdown/power off or blue screen...
The video card drew more power from the powersupply and the other devices didn't get enough...so it was a tug of war..
the only solution was to replace the motherboard + video card.
This problem reared it's ugly head for Lenovo with it's T61p's when they outfitted them with Nvidia Quadro FX570M. After months and months of lenovo technical team investigations they found out the card was causing the power to fluctuate for other devices while the GPU was under heavy stress like Video Games...
So the laptop would randomly shutdown/power off or blue screen...
The video card drew more power from the powersupply and the other devices didn't get enough...so it was a tug of war..
the only solution was to replace the motherboard + video card.
Well, the new nVidia card, from the 9700M upward, have built in GeForce 9100 Ms, an integrated gpu, meaning that the computer can switch back and forth on the go. This doesn't solve the heat issue, but it means that when plugged into the mains you'd have far more powerful graphics than the 9600M GT, and while on the go, far long battery life than the 9600M GT.
I would be surprised if Apple weren't looking for a way to make that mechanism practical in the MBP.
I would be surprised if Apple weren't looking for a way to make that mechanism practical in the MBP.
1st of all, we're talking laptop cards here, not desktop cards. The laptop 9600M GT is supposedly more like the 9500 of the desktop world (fairly big step down)
2nd, even if we WERE talking about desktop cards, it's still a noticeable step down.
I hope to god they wait until they get access to the 4850 Mobility. It's been demoed, and Apple gets early access to some hardware, so there is hope. But only if they wait until end of September/October.
Blows everything else out of the water. I'm indifferent to the 9600M vs. the 3850, but I'd rather have the 4850 Mobility over anything.
Blows everything else out of the water. I'm indifferent to the 9600M vs. the 3850, but I'd rather have the 4850 Mobility over anything.
I disagree - the Mobility Radeon 9700 was a great card when it came out, and was a good match for the PowerBook
Yep and get away with it cause you got a captive customer that you know won't buy anything else. What a racket.
You're right Bubba - it's amazingly criminal that Apple has gotten away with not spec'cing laptops with top of the line GPUs (that change 2-3 times a year) for so many years. The criminals.
I recently bought 3 MBP's for a video application which makes intensive use of the graphic card. After 30 minutes the computer suddenly reboots, we figured due to overheating.
After having read on this list about comparable and apparantly general problematic behaviour of the nVidea card, I wonder whether anyone has precise data of the phenomenon, and a workable solution.
If the heating of the card is at stake, did anyone i.e. test the problem when cooling (in an intense way) the MBP, adding ventilation, using liquid cooling systems, or -why not- even putting (dry) ice underneath? Any data about that?
The laptops serve for an art installation. If the problem is unavoidable we will have to switch to desktop models, which seen the mobile nature of it, would be disastrous. Thanks for helping.
After having read on this list about comparable and apparantly general problematic behaviour of the nVidea card, I wonder whether anyone has precise data of the phenomenon, and a workable solution.
If the heating of the card is at stake, did anyone i.e. test the problem when cooling (in an intense way) the MBP, adding ventilation, using liquid cooling systems, or -why not- even putting (dry) ice underneath? Any data about that?
The laptops serve for an art installation. If the problem is unavoidable we will have to switch to desktop models, which seen the mobile nature of it, would be disastrous. Thanks for helping.
Agreed I'd like to see an HD 4*** card, their tdps will be great.
But you shouldn't be indifferent to the difference between the 9600M vs. the 3850, the latter is twice as powerful as the former.
NVIDIA 9500M/9600M/9650M, ATI HD 36x0. Any higher and it's too hot for the MacBook Pro.
What early access?
- The 3.0 GHz Clovertown was available to places other than Apple when Apple got it.
- Apple uses the latest chipsets usually a month or more after their release.
- Apple got the 2.8 GHz Core 2 Extreme two weeks early.
- The "Santa Rosa Special" chipset was an enhanced Santa Rosa chipset released 3 months after Penryn.
And isn't the 4850 too hot for the MacBook Pro?
Also just like how the iMacs switched from midrange GPUs to low-end and midrange GPUs, the MacBook Pros could do the same.
Well, Apple seems to be in a pack with Nvidia now, especially with the chipset rumors going around, it's probably unlikely to find an Ati card in it. But that said, I don't think the 38xx series will ever make it into a laptop this thin. At most a 3650, which is, as a matter of fact, fitted to some variations of the Sony FW line. Be a shame if Apple busts out anything less than a 3650.