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Firewire is essential for Mac OS X repairs via Target Disk Mode. Any Mac user may need it at some point. There is nothing like it on the Windoze world.

Seeing as how they can't do that now with a MB or MBA, or iPod Touch, I still kinda doubt it.
 
I don't think it's going to be a netbook. People are just throwing that term around for something smaller than a notebook. I'd say it's much more likely to be a scaled up iPod Touch/E-Reader/Web Browser/Email device with wifi/bluetooth and the app store.

If it weren't for those 10" lcd contract rumors floating around I think we could be more sure it won't be a netbook. 10 inches is too big for a Touch type device which I would expect to max out at about 7". an I-Read if you will with itunes and APPS compatibility along with a WIFI browser in the 7" range would be a very interesting product. I'd buy it no question.
Say maybe it IS a netbook - a networked book reader not a small clamshell laptop that you are assuming it would be!!
 
Firewire is essential for Mac OS X repairs via Target Disk Mode. Any Mac user may need it at some point. There is nothing like it on the Windoze world.
Maybe you should take a look at the MacBook Air and new Aluminium MacBook without those godly FireWire ports.

It wouldn't run any OSX applications, that's what.
I don't understand the desire for a non-x86 processor at this point either.
 
Sometimes it's hard to tell if people that are calling for (demanding must-haves) things like firewire, replaceable battery, full osx running adobe cs/pro apps, etc AND/OR still want it to fit in their pocket and cost $500 are just trolling or if they actually think that is a reasonable expectation of what will be released.
Of course there is a difference between "wouldn't it be cool if.." and "if it doesn't do the following, it'll be a failure.." but I get the impression it's the latter.
 
Booting from USB drives? Booting the Windows recovery console from the DVD?

Pretty close....

It is not the same. Target Disk Mode via FireWire allows repairing that no other method allows. It has saved our bacon many times repairing Macs.
 
It is not the same. Target Disk Mode via FireWire allows repairing that no other method allows. It has saved our bacon many times repairing Macs.

I agree it is useful (I have used it before) but I've got to think that it is far from a MUST-HAVE for an ultra-portable computer/tablet/iPod/whatever. Apple has deemed it not to be useful on even their consumer level laptops (which of course doesn't mean it's the right decision, but I have to assume that they have better access to data about what is and what is no necessary than I do)
 
I agree it is useful (I have used it before) but I've got to think that it is far from a MUST-HAVE for an ultra-portable computer/tablet/iPod/whatever. Apple has deemed it not to be useful on even their consumer level laptops (which of course doesn't mean it's the right decision, but I have to assume that they have better access to data about what is and what is no necessary than I do)

The only reason not to put Firewire on the MacBook is to prevent cannibalizing sales from the MacBook Pro. Concerning the MacBook Air, it is just too port-crippled! A shame for Apple and the many lost sales due to that.
 
It is not the same. Target Disk Mode via FireWire allows repairing that no other method allows. It has saved our bacon many times repairing Macs.

What can you do with target disk mode that you couldn't do when booted from a USB drive?

In both cases you are running a full OS from another drive, with full access to the target drive.
 
The only reason not to put Firewire on the MacBook is to prevent cannibalizing sales from the MacBook Pro. Concerning the MacBook Air, it is just too port-crippled! A shame for Apple and the many lost sales due to that.

I'm not sure that's the ONLY reason. There's a $600 price difference between the two base-models. I would wonder how many people only need a consumer laptop (which you could argue the macbook is technically aimed at, despite what it might be capable of doing) but also REQUIRE firewire. It's probably more likely that the person that REQUIRES firewire (ie there is absolutely no way around not having it) also is in the market for a pro-level laptop.
 
I was wondering when you'd show up. :)

I don't think you are. The minute it comes out with a 9" screen it ceases to directly compete with an iPod Touch.

But it also has to be more than just an iPod Touch with a big screen if it is to succeed. It also will need iLife/iWork (Lite edition if necessary) and more ports.
More processing power too, for multitasking and the more intensive applications that will make good use of the larger display.
 
I was wondering when you'd show up. :)

More processing power too, for multitasking and the more intensive applications that will make good use of the larger display.

Good point, and I forgot to mention that. Of course an Atom 1.6Ghz (or whatever iteration they end up using) would be much better for multitasking and overall processing power.
 
if it is a touch-screen tablet, i will buy it (whether it runs iPhoneOS or MacOS)
if it is a netbook, i will not buy it - i'll stick with my macbook thanks
 
if it is a touch-screen tablet, i will buy it (whether it runs iPhoneOS or MacOS)
if it is a netbook, i will not buy it - i'll stick with my macbook thanks

See I'm the opposite.. I dropped my MBP and now it overheats/freezes/screen goes/etc etc and I've been meaning to replace it with a desktop (likely imac) and the base mb or the macbook air because i like to go to coffee shops/home to parents/travel/etc and I would like a basic computer that still would let me know 99% of the same programs (I don't expect to encode video/rip dvds etc, but manage large photo libraries, download torrents, update websites, etc so I am hoping for a netbook that can be pushed to its limits to do those things so I don't have to buy a macbook air. I have an iPhone so, obviously depending on what they release, a tablet seems like it would duplicate a lot of capabilities on my phone while not really letting me fully use a computer (the way that I want to) on the go.
 
So it looks like 2 things that Steve Jobs misinformed the public.
1). Video iPod
2). Netwboob

To be fair, he didn't say they wouldn't make a netbook. He said that they can't patricipate in the price range of netbooks and that they had interesting ideas for that segment... whether that means a pricier netbook or a tablet, or other, it would still be the "interesting idea"... or at least that what I think he said, who knows.. it's be quoted and misquoted dozens of times.
 
Really?

last year i sold my blackbook about 2 months before the official announcement of the new macbooks knowing that i was going to get a lot more money for mine if it was the latest model and not the older model and it worked.

while i was waiting for the new macbook release i purchased 3 of the most popular netbooks that were out. the Aspire One 7", EEC PC 1000h 10", and the MSI Wind U100 10". they all 3 had the Atom 1.6 in them and i took them all to their max ram which was 1.5 for the Acer and 2GB for the EEC and Wind. I also gave them all 250GB drives.

they worked great. i had them dual booting XP and another OS that we are not supposed to talk about here and they ran them both great. that little Atom 1.6 is a great processor and overclocked it was even better.

i will refer to the Wind below because that was my favorite.

i personally did not see much difference in everyday performance with my blackbook and my Wind and the Wind got 6 hours battery life. i was able to run photoshop, iLife, etc...

the wind not only performed well but felt like it was made well and only cost me $399 plus my upgrades to a larger HDD and memory which probably had me at about the $500 mark in it.

i had a great looking screen. great performance, wireless N, bluetooth, 3 USB ports that were nicely spaced apart for plugging in multiple USB device (unlike my Alum Macbook which has 2 and they are to close together), standard VGA out (no adapter needed), 2 card readers, and kick butt battery life.

if MSI can do all of this for $399 then Apple should be able to pull it off as well.

it of course will have to be more like $599 since it is Apple and will look cooler and have the Apple logo on it.

i found that my Wind hooked to an apple keyboard and mouse and then to a 19" monitor while i was at work did everything i needed and as well as my blackbook.

the netbook market is for the average user which is 80% of people buying computers. they want the internet, itunes, email, and maybe some photo editing/ saving options.

i hope Apple makes the move and does it with t price point that makes it competitive.

i have since sold all of the netbooks and got the aluminum macbook LOL but thats only because i am addicted to having the latest apple laptop as silly as that is :)

I haven't played with any of these netbooks, but are you seriously telling us that they ran iLife '09 "just fine"?! The Mac Mini's have trouble with iLife sometimes (the previous generation). I can't imagine how something with that processor could reasonably run iLife, unless perhaps you have a miniscule photo library and are leaving out garageband and iMovie altogether. Explain?
 
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What can you sell for $500 that's not a piece of junk and that won't cannibalize iPod and iPhone sales?

Hmmm...maybe I am confused. How would this product cannibalize iPod or iPhone sales? It's not like you are going to lug a 10" screened product around with you to listen to music while going for a jog one morning. And you certainly aren't going to hold it up to your ear to make a phone call with it. Nor will it fit in your pocket easily.

Am I missing something here??

Touch platform is compelling enough that some people buy it now for wifi alone and would rather have a 10" screen instead of a 3.5". Furthermore, plug in your earbud/mic and skype away. ie less reason to buy iPhone.
 
I will be highly disappointed if Apple releases a 10 in netbook with a keyboard. The money is in the Itunes Music Store (should be called itunes marketplace in my opinion.) Apple would be smart to release a 10 in touch screen tablet with no physical keyboard. The Itunes store would be expanded to have music, movies, tv shows, rentals, iphone apps, and ebooks/newspapers. In addition this tablet would be great for watching movies, tv shows. Why try entering a market with cheaper alternatives when Apple could create a whole new market with a device not produced by any other company. Another possible route would be include a camera and team up with a cell phone carrier and push video conferencing and video phone.
 
In the UK, 3G connectivity via USB stick costs £30 plus pay-as-you-go fees.

Or £15 for 15GB of data transfer. That's probably a better deal than some capped services on DSL in some places.

Oh, and on topic, an Apple sublaptop should cost no more than $799, or £599, because that white Macbook would look too tempting for only a little bit more (whilst offering a lot more power, albeit at a great weight and volume). OTOH I have a HP Mini, it cost me £205, and it's not half bad.
 
I haven't played with any of these netbooks, but are you seriously telling us that they ran iLife '09 "just fine"?! The Mac Mini's have trouble with iLife sometimes (the previous generation). I can't imagine how something with that processor could reasonably run iLife, unless perhaps you have a miniscule photo library and are leaving out garageband and iMovie altogether. Explain?
Even my MacBook Pro lags sometimes while using iMovie '09 (while other apps are open).

Also, my iBook G4 lags while typing in iWork '08 (CPU shoots up significantly).
 
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The more I think about it, the more I convince myself that this new device will be kept low-priced by making it an iPhone/touch accessory. "Harness the processing and communication power of the new iPhone" for only $400 plus the price of the phone. And the plan. Again, that's why Bluetooth and dock are opened up in 3.0, so apple can use them for its netbook. I think that's a "pretty interesting idea" to compete in that space.
 
Okay, if they wanna make $600-$700 on the iPhone, do you really think they are gonna make 10" netbook for that price?
 
The more I think about it, the more I convince myself that this new device will be kept low-priced by making it an iPhone/touch accessory. "Harness the processing and communication power of the new iPhone" for only $400 plus the price of the phone. And the plan. Again, that's why Bluetooth and dock are opened up in 3.0, so apple can use them for its netbook. I think that's a "pretty interesting idea" to compete in that space.


I think any of the ideas where 2 devices physically dock together are way too kludgy when you take into account the minimalism and aesthetics inherent in all the recent Apple designs. It's the complete opposite direction of everything they've done.
 
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