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Thats my issue as well, I do like Win7. Win8 I am reserving judgement. Apple really got me by the balls with OSX, I got real accustomed to it and like the eye candy and the elegance of it. If I was CEO I would be using these machines, and I would want some power systems along with the thinner ones. So the people there beating this thin drum for every freaking thing would get the shoulder. I could hear them now
"Steve said..."
me coldy looking away "Steve isnt here anymore is he?"
It's also important to point out that the idea of a retina display for MBPs is in direct conflict with MBA-like styling. They cannot afford to decrease GPU power if they want to achieve "retina" like PPIs on the macbook pros.
That's perfectly fine and I understand that, but why not keep the optical drive in the 17" MacBook Pro?
Aren't 17" Portables supposed to be "desktop replacements"?
I'm all for turning the 15" MacBook Pros into MacBook Air equivalents as long as they keep the full voltage processors and discrete GPUs. They probably won't be as thin as the MacBook Airs that way, but they will certainly be lighter and thinner than the current Pros if they omit the optical drive and relocate some of the innards to accomodate the change.
Pretty soon, all Apple laptops will look the same. How ironic for a company that used to tell us to "think different".
I have used and abused by BlackBook for the last 4 years. So I'm pretty much going to buy whatever Apple comes out with in this next MacBook (Pro/Air) cycle.
That being said, I REALLY REALLY hope Apple doesn't downgrade on some things, like hard drive capacity, even if that means SSD. I absolutely need 320GB+ on my laptop, which is 'daaamnn' territory for SSD. I will be bummed if there's no optical drive, but something tells me I won't miss it as much as I expect. CPU/GPU is definitely going to outdo my computer, but I will be bummed if it's a step down from the current pros.
My instincts tell me Apple will still have a fattier 'pro' option with all the bells and whistles. There's simply too large of a market for it for them to get rid of it entirely.
That being said, I REALLY REALLY hope Apple doesn't downgrade on some things, like hard drive capacity, even if that means SSD. I absolutely need 320GB+ on my laptop, which is 'daaamnn' territory for SSD. I will be bummed if there's no optical drive, but something tells me I won't miss it as much as I expect. CPU/GPU is definitely going to outdo my computer, but I will be bummed if it's a step down from the current pros.
My instincts tell me Apple will still have a fattier 'pro' option with all the bells and whistles. There's simply too large of a market for it for them to get rid of it entirely.
I am astonished at all the people who are advocating for the removal of the optical drive. I understand that Apple likes to push technology forward and all, but optical drives are hugely important to me, and I would suspect a huge number of other people. In fact, I am more likely to want/need to use it on the road than when I am in the comfort of my home/office. I don't fancy having to pack a laptop, a power adapter, and a superdrive in my backpack when I hop on a plane when I could just have a laptop and charger instead. 2 things are actually greater than 3 things in this case. There's no getting around the need I have at this point in time.
Apple can tell me, Oh, don't worry, your life will only be miserable for a 3 or 4 years, you just have to suffer while the world catches up.
If this is true, I'm going to have to be shopping on the
refurb store page for a top spec MacBook Pro when I buy my next laptop in ~half a years time. I'm not gonna like having to do that.
Suck on that, disc drive haters. You already have your air, leave us pro people alone for the next few years, ok?
And no port chopping either Apple. Firewire, USB, minidisplayport/thunderbolt, Etherent. They're all important too. MAybe not so much Ethernet, but the number of ports needs to be similar to what it is now. Switch over to thunderbolt, ok fine, but don't put 2 ports in the place of 5.
Apple can tell me, Oh, don't worry, your life will only be miserable for a 3 or 4 years, you just have to suffer while the world catches up.
If this is true, I'm going to have to be shopping on the
refurb store page for a top spec MacBook Pro when I buy my next laptop in ~half a years time. I'm not gonna like having to do that.Suck on that, disc drive haters. You already have your air, leave us pro people alone for the next few years, ok?
And no port chopping either Apple. Firewire, USB, minidisplayport/thunderbolt, Etherent. They're all important too. MAybe not so much Ethernet, but the number of ports needs to be similar to what it is now. Switch over to thunderbolt, ok fine, but don't put 2 ports in the place of 5.
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This is ****.
**** **** ****.
Why?
Because, as Apple has been proving again and again, they really don't give a **** about PRO users.
I mean, REAL PRO users, like myself. Lion has been enough of a nightmare, FCPX and the never-updated-yet-still-unstable Logic are nightmares, the never-announced-and-no-information Mac Pros, the nerfing of MBP's in favor of con-and-pro-sumer tech...
The list goes on.
The thing that really, really blows is that Apple spent the better part of the '00's, before the iP__ revolution, building and maintaing a wonderful pro ecosystem. They made deals with Avid, Apogee, Metric Halo, Euphonix, and more to make sure they were Mac exclusive. The small companies kept their ends of the bargain - they're still exclusive - but as Apple has gotten bigger, they started ignoring their former partners. Now, compatibility and stability are iffy at best on the Mac platform, for PRO Video/Audio use, and Apple doesn't give a ****.
They've forgotten who kept them afloat, who's gotten them where they are, and who will KEEP them where they are - the CONTENT CREATORS. This idea - redesigning the MBP line to be more "MBA+", which is sure to mean a great number of I/O, Power, and Performance compromises - is just another example of this ideology that the Pro user doesn't matter...
And the worst thing is, they can't just say "get a desktop" anymore! They haven't released them. Thanks, Apple...
(Ok, so I'm a tad bitter at the moment)
**** **** ****.
Why?
Because, as Apple has been proving again and again, they really don't give a **** about PRO users.
I mean, REAL PRO users, like myself. Lion has been enough of a nightmare, FCPX and the never-updated-yet-still-unstable Logic are nightmares, the never-announced-and-no-information Mac Pros, the nerfing of MBP's in favor of con-and-pro-sumer tech...
The list goes on.
The thing that really, really blows is that Apple spent the better part of the '00's, before the iP__ revolution, building and maintaing a wonderful pro ecosystem. They made deals with Avid, Apogee, Metric Halo, Euphonix, and more to make sure they were Mac exclusive. The small companies kept their ends of the bargain - they're still exclusive - but as Apple has gotten bigger, they started ignoring their former partners. Now, compatibility and stability are iffy at best on the Mac platform, for PRO Video/Audio use, and Apple doesn't give a ****.
They've forgotten who kept them afloat, who's gotten them where they are, and who will KEEP them where they are - the CONTENT CREATORS. This idea - redesigning the MBP line to be more "MBA+", which is sure to mean a great number of I/O, Power, and Performance compromises - is just another example of this ideology that the Pro user doesn't matter...
And the worst thing is, they can't just say "get a desktop" anymore! They haven't released them. Thanks, Apple...
(Ok, so I'm a tad bitter at the moment)
grumpiness ensues
It's already bad enough that there are just two usb ins and one firewire 800, and the components of those inputs are weak as hell. I really hope it isn't true. I use my disc drive all the time to create master dvds, backups for clients, music cds of my music... I've been a mac-user for 20 years, and yes I understand that this is the way things are going, but without cd/dvd drive and multiple inputs so much of the work that I have done would become so much more difficult to access. I'm guessing the transition will be slow. I am hoping so too!
It's already bad enough that there are just two usb ins and one firewire 800, and the components of those inputs are weak as hell. I really hope it isn't true. I use my disc drive all the time to create master dvds, backups for clients, music cds of my music... I've been a mac-user for 20 years, and yes I understand that this is the way things are going, but without cd/dvd drive and multiple inputs so much of the work that I have done would become so much more difficult to access. I'm guessing the transition will be slow. I am hoping so too!
This form factor makes it impossible to accomodate 2 SSD drives. That's a shame since many creative pros use the area where the optical drive resides to bang a 2nd "project" SSD into.
thats my only beef.
PS: Another thing creatives' need is a way to get 32 gig of RAM in there.
Hopefully this will be possible....64 gig RAM for sample streaming even better.
best,
SvK
thats my only beef.
PS: Another thing creatives' need is a way to get 32 gig of RAM in there.
Hopefully this will be possible....64 gig RAM for sample streaming even better.
best,
SvK
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new 15" MBP-A likely a deal breaker for some of us...
For me to even consider buying a possible 15" MacBook Pro-Air the following line items must be present within the system:
1) minimum 256GB SSD installed.
2) a discrete GPU.
3) 1680x1080 screen resolution ("retina" version of it is a bonus, but not expected).
Otherwise, I'll pass until they address the above sometime in 2013.
For me to even consider buying a possible 15" MacBook Pro-Air the following line items must be present within the system:
1) minimum 256GB SSD installed.
2) a discrete GPU.
3) 1680x1080 screen resolution ("retina" version of it is a bonus, but not expected).
Otherwise, I'll pass until they address the above sometime in 2013.
Leave it to Apple to design a "Pro" product so thin that it can't house Pro parts. Blu-Ray burners, anyone?
People here are too concerned with specs, what you need to be concerned about is usability.
Who gives two ***** if they drop desecrate graphics if integrated graphics provide the same or better performance?
What, just because it says 'desecrate' automatically makes it better?
LOL.
I highly doubt Apple would release a produce that has worse performance compared to its last revision/generation.
Computers are a tool to help you get from point A to point B. I don't get why people get so hung up about how it gets your to point B. Reminds me of the iOSfication of OSX. Who cares if it makes life easier if they incorporate iOS features?
Likewise, who cares about 'desecrate' or 'integrated' graphics if Apple preserves the user experience.
Who gives two ***** if they drop desecrate graphics if integrated graphics provide the same or better performance?
What, just because it says 'desecrate' automatically makes it better?
LOL.
I highly doubt Apple would release a produce that has worse performance compared to its last revision/generation.
Computers are a tool to help you get from point A to point B. I don't get why people get so hung up about how it gets your to point B. Reminds me of the iOSfication of OSX. Who cares if it makes life easier if they incorporate iOS features?
Likewise, who cares about 'desecrate' or 'integrated' graphics if Apple preserves the user experience.
I totally agree, but only for the 17inch (perhaps a 15pro).
I see absolutely NO point in having the 13inch pro. I am SURE that will be gone and there might be a 15inch Air.
Do we have the proper CPUs? No!
They mean probably the planned MBPs with the Broadwell SoC CPUs (Q3/Q4 2014; Late-2014). With the 22 nm CPUs, i do not see thinner MBPs, only a 15" MBA (Intel HD 4000).
They mean probably the planned MBPs with the Broadwell SoC CPUs (Q3/Q4 2014; Late-2014). With the 22 nm CPUs, i do not see thinner MBPs, only a 15" MBA (Intel HD 4000).
If there's an album I really like, I buy the CD and burn it to iTunes, rather than buy the digital version.
I also like to make copies of movies.
But all that can be done with a separate SuperDrive at home.
I am sick of the silver color. Please offer more options and don't dumb down the Macbook Pro. If it indeed has to be that thin, then offer an option for external GPU. kthxbye
Thanks for the warning...
I'm going to be sure and get another 13" MBP before this happens. I'm assuming that Apple will put the same crappy displays in the redesigned MBPs that are currently being used in the MBAs. They could even move to high resolution displays and drop lower res displays altogether.
I can actually see the day when I have to switch to a Windows laptop in order to be able to have a decent display...
I'm going to be sure and get another 13" MBP before this happens. I'm assuming that Apple will put the same crappy displays in the redesigned MBPs that are currently being used in the MBAs. They could even move to high resolution displays and drop lower res displays altogether.
I can actually see the day when I have to switch to a Windows laptop in order to be able to have a decent display...
I have to whole-heartedly agree with you. I'm a Logic user, and a professional. I've been signed to a label and had a proper release (in France that is) and Logic has just been pissing me off to no end. I opened up a song the other day that was in the works to add another track. After adding the track I found that my exs24 instrument samples had been blanked. Also the mix was suddenly bizarre. It's very stressful indeed, and if you want Logic support you have to pay through the nose for sometimes very haughty and rude support staff (I've also had some good experience, which absolutely do not balance out the few horrible ones I've had.) It really makes me want to look into Pro Tools or Digital Performer, but I love Logic as an app. If only Apple would fix the derned thing!
What does "think different" have to do with Apple's entire laptop line sharing the same aesthetics? Please clue me in to the irony you see because I'm missing it completely. The "Think Different" campaign was about the Mac OS, not any Mac's form factor.
Configurable TDP may be nice but if the enclosure (laptop case) is too thin there won't be enough room for a fan (that doesn't sound like a jet engine) to remove the heat from the device.
That is quite different from an enclosure that can support the higher TDP within a lower sound decibel constraints that just uses less power (and lower TDP) when operating on batteries to extend "on battery" run times.
The current MBP's are relatively thin (compared to most laptops.). Not sure what the upside is in making them anorectic to the point eliminate performance just for a couple of millimeters. A "shift to outside" mode might be useful where the internal discrete GPU is turned off and an extenal one (through TB) is turned on. At that point perhaps can run the CPU package hotter and leverage some of the cooling that would have gone to the discrete GPU to keep a lid on the temperature.
Similarly, that lower TDP comes at the cost of performance.
I vote for similar form factor, but remove the optical disk in favor of a bigger battery and extra hard drive, but must keep the 2.5" drives for storage, i have 750GB in my MBP for software alone, and it's full for doing music production. music sample libraries are getting huge now, some software like logic uses 50GB others are well over 100GB. no one likes dragging external hard drives around to do their work.
wish one of the hard drive companies would come out with a bigger 7200 rpm drive, it seems we have been stuck at 750GB for over 2 years already
wish one of the hard drive companies would come out with a bigger 7200 rpm drive, it seems we have been stuck at 750GB for over 2 years already