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3g-iphone pfff you are SOO naive

dont let these rumors fool or distract you from the truth. this 3g iphone is simply a ruse, a prickly briar patch youve stumbled into. yet farther past these lies a much thicker and impassible forest. There, deep in the woodwork is a secret enchanted project known only to the most epsilon of :apple: templar. it is the i-crystal. As a speech recognition device powered by solar light, it beams its holographic interface as it hangs in ones window. it even comes with its own wireless string.
 
How they will sell iPhone in Australia and other similar markets

The Basics:

1. The iPhone gets unlocked, and offered for sale in Apple stores for whatever price Apple set. You take it away and you find your own network, whichever you want.

2. At the same time, they are also selling it to the carriers at wholesale rates (which on Apple hardware is usually about 90% of the retail price anyway) who can then offer it to their customers on the huge variety of plans & contracts they use on all their other phones.

3. You get to choose - buy it outright from Apple or sign up for a subsidised iPhone from Telstra or Vodaphone or whoever you like.

The Little Details:

a. It's quite legal for a carrier in Oz to offer a phone on a locked in plan, as long as there are other, competitive ways for consumers to get and use the phone. Ie: more than one carrier offers it, or there is a buy outright option in the market where you can then take YOUR device to the carrier of YOUR choice. Our ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) just doesn't like the 'you can't use it on any other carrier, ever, and you'll lose your warranty if you do' bit.

b. It is just possible that Apple could exclusively sell it THROUGH one carrier, and not stock it in their own stores. This would be legal as well - a firm can sign an exclusive agreement with a local carrier to resell their product - but they can't sell it themselves and then force you to use a specific carrier after that. It's a subtle but important difference. However, I don't see this happening because Apple really, really want their stores to become the premium Apple retail destination and if, just to get around a legal difficulty, they didn't stock their own iPhones it would ruin the whole Apple retail strategy.

c. Apple probably don't care all that much any more about getting ongoing subscription revenue from the iPhone. Sure, it's nice and all, and it gave a solid, immediate profit from day 1 of the iPhone's introduction - but in the long term, the real money is to be made from the iTunes store model. Apple aren't dumb - they probably figured this from the start, but they also knew that it would take a couple years to get it up and running.

So why not launch, get a year or two of subscription revenue to keep the profit stream up and then, as the end game of software and media sales to the device starts to get close, dump the restrictions on sales and just get the thing into as many people's hands as you can (without, of course, destroying the brand in the process). It's a hand-off from one revenue stream to another, potentially much bigger one and it also avoids all the legal problems.

d. They might, just, give one carrier a short head start in reselling the device - whoever gives them a nice premium price for the first shipment probably. But only for a month or two - then it will be all (telco) comers.

e. I had another point but I've forgotten it. :eek:
 
That tactic didn't work in the 1830's and we won't let it happen this time either ;-)

Yeah, and while you're busy fighting back your Dutch neighbors from the stores selling iphones, we French will stealthily cross the border and empty the nearest stores :)
 
Yeah, and while you're busy fighting back your Dutch neighbors from the stores selling iphones, we French will stealthily cross the border and empty the nearest stores :)

We won't have to, the iPhone will be so expensive over here, no Dutch person would ever want to buy them.

But if you want we'll trade them for pot :D
 
Can anyone answer this question.... Would apple make more money unlocking the phone and selling more... than keeping it locked and selling not nearly as much?????? The question seems pretty easy to answer but I was wondering if I am missing something???
Probably.

The problem with selling a locked iPhone ist that they cannot sell it in every country. It's not possible for them to make contracts with every provider and in some countries the law does not allow it.

An unlocked 3G iPhone (where 3G is UMTS) can be sold everywhere.
 
Yeah, and while you're busy fighting back your Dutch neighbors from the stores selling iphones, we French will stealthily cross the border and empty the nearest stores :)

France already has iPhones so there's no need for an invasion from the south. To tell you the truth, it's Luxembourg that I'm most worried about. They've been pretty quiet for ages but they're up to something.
 
This sounds really cool. Anyone think this will come to the US? I want an iPhone really bad, but I will not go to AT&T, because I do not want to change my carrier, and that is the only thing preventing from getting it. I think that Apple stands to gain much more in the terms of profits (especially if they don't raise the price, i.e. lower the margin, but increase total gains) if they go to an open system, not being locked to a particular carrier.

I assume your carrier is T-Mobile, then? Or a smaller regional-only carrier that has chosen GSM for their network? I doubt unlocked iPhones will ever come to the US directly, but you could buy one from a country that sells unlocked ones and use it in the US. But the price is higher than US prices already. If you personally pick the phone up in the EU you should be able to get a VAT refund when leaving the EU that would get some of the difference back, but it will still cost more than it would in the US, and that is before taking into account that the unlocked ones will cost more than the ones sold in the EU now.

I am using AT&T already, but have fulfilled my contract already and don't want to lock in for another 2 years. I may be tempted to get one in Italy this fall if the unlocked ones aren't completely ridiculous in price. Unfortunately, I can see EU499 as a starting point, which puts it near $800 (near $650 even with a VAT recovery). Then I would have to find out how much it costs to add 3G data plans to an account and whether that can be done without signing up for a new contract. Boston was one of AT&T's original 3G coverage areas, so I've been waiting 2-3 years for a reason to add data to my plan.
 
imo the issue would be buying a 3G iphone with euro 3G bands that wouldnt work on AT&Ts network.

Would Apple really want to have to produce multiple different 3G models? How close are we to a multi-band 3G chipset that can work on multiple networks? Maybe this is the real reason Apple delayed 3G support in the iPhone... not wanting the headaches of making multiple different incompatible phones. Or, maybe the multiple 3G frequencies in use is the real reason Apple wanted to go with a single carrier in each country, to limit the confusion buyers would have once the 3G models came out.
 
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